No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

[Spinnthrift]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

I have that 'rock star' mentality - and proud of it!

And I'll be damned if I'm not that good. Helping people with quests, and coffers and all sorts of stuff... hell.. I can't walk two step in Jeuno without some random person asking for my leet TH2... oh wait.. wrong job... damnit..

Now why can't I get a party? Oh yeah.. I forgot.. Thief is gimped, except when people want your special talents.

#edit#

Where was I?

Oh yeah... I hate that attitude, especially when I'm owed favours galore, more so from the popular jobs who're in fashion - who send me tells expecting to pander to their needs when I'm busy levelling a sub or something. ><

[Rodin]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

We are the people who tele your parties. We are the people who heal your status effects. We are the people who give you cures. We are the people who come to Bibiki Bay to raise you.

DON'T FUCK WITH US!

/end Fight Club rip off.

Seriously though, most WHMs or BRDs who are full of themselves are only leveling the jobs because:

They think they can get into a big HNMLS very quickly.

They think they can get 75 very quickly.

They think they'll get rich with teles or something.

Most people who think that, end up sucking. Most of them are NIN tank onry WHMs, and have no idea how to freaking heal. A good WHM or BRD is one in a million, these days.

[Icemage]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

As an aside, I'm noticing that, while having "useful" end-game jobs is still a plus for admittance to typical HNMLS, a lot of good (emphasis on this word) HNMLSs are becoming increasingly picky about just who they'll let in, which includes not just attitude but general playing skill level.

Word to the wise for those out there who think getting any specific job to 75 without learning the intracacies of the job means you can just walk straight into the HNMLS of your choice: It will not.

There is a vast pool of level 75 players out there, many of whom have multiple jobs at 75. If you're really serious about wanting to get to do all the fun stuff at level 75 with the best players on your server, make an effort to learn how to perform your job to the best of your ability, and make good decisions. You never know when those bad decisions or playing skills will come back to haunt you, until you receive a rejection on your application to your favorite HNMLS.

If they can't trust you to know how to keep people alive without burning through MP as a white mage, they're not going to invite you. If you can't complete a skillchain without messing someone else up... they're not going to invite you. If you can't keep up Ballads or Refresh and know when to use your specialty spells and abilities... they're not going to invite you.

I've actually seen some applications rejected recently to my HNMLS on grounds such as this, and my contacts on other servers seem to be saying the same. It's not good enough to just have a job at level 75 - you need to be good at it, or you're going to be locked out from joining up with the best players (speaking from personal experience, if you aren't with the best, you're with the rest, and the difference in quality of game experience between those two is extreme, to say the least).


Icemage

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Some times you have to.

I make all of my own parties it has never been a problem for me.

[Rodin]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

About 2 weeks ago, my HNMLS denied a person who had BRD and WHM at 75. He has CoP and RoTZ complete, and is on Chapter 8 of ToAU. All we posted was, "Sorry, your reputation preceeds you, rejected."

He is known as being one of the most whiny, gimp, unskilled, and inconsiderate players on our server. I'm not going to name him, but pretty much anyone on Ragnarok knows who this is. I kind of feel bad for the guy, then he posts things on forums begging for forgiveness, then makes the same mistakes, without the promise of improving anything. :/

[Jei]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

don't ever let him play Brd. He'll never ever even think about you again.

[Murphie]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

As an aside, I'm noticing that, while having "useful" end-game jobs is still a plus for admittance to typical HNMLS, a lot of good (emphasis on this word) HNMLSs are becoming increasingly picky about just who they'll let in, which includes not just attitude but general playing skill level.

Word to the wise for those out there who think getting any specific job to 75 without learning the intracacies of the job means you can just walk straight into the HNMLS of your choice: It will not.

There is a vast pool of level 75 players out there, many of whom have multiple jobs at 75. If you're really serious about wanting to get to do all the fun stuff at level 75 with the best players on your server, make an effort to learn how to perform your job to the best of your ability, and make good decisions. You never know when those bad decisions or playing skills will come back to haunt you, until you receive a rejection on your application to your favorite HNMLS.

If they can't trust you to know how to keep people alive without burning through MP as a white mage, they're not going to invite you. If you can't complete a skillchain without messing someone else up... they're not going to invite you. If you can't keep up Ballads or Refresh and know when to use your specialty spells and abilities... they're not going to invite you.

I've actually seen some applications rejected recently to my HNMLS on grounds such as this, and my contacts on other servers seem to be saying the same. It's not good enough to just have a job at level 75 - you need to be good at it, or you're going to be locked out from joining up with the best players (speaking from personal experience, if you aren't with the best, you're with the rest, and the difference in quality of game experience between those two is extreme, to say the least).

Such good advice. Seriously.

I like to consider myself a pretty damn good player. Most everyone that I party with seems to think so, and I've recieved more than my fair share of compliments from folks on my playing style. I had a guy tell me to hurry up and pick a job so that I could join his HNMLS, but I told him I wasn't in any kind of rush. :p I figure when I get there, I'll (hopefully) have built a reputation for myself as a quality player. And I won't have people who think I'm just trying to get in on the merits of my particular job choice.

Not that you can't rush and still be a good player. Heck, I've been playing long enough that I certainly could - provided I could afford good gear, which is the main reason I'm not hurrying. Gil takes time.

[Aeni]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

I've actually seen some applications rejected recently to my HNMLS on grounds such as this, and my contacts on other servers seem to be saying the same. It's not good enough to just have a job at level 75 - you need to be good at it, or you're going to be locked out from joining up with the best players (speaking from personal experience, if you aren't with the best, you're with the rest, and the difference in quality of game experience between those two is extreme, to say the least).


Icemage

Add another thing to the application process:

(iia-12) If you can't intelligently fill out the application form to an HNM LS and do not have mastery of the english language (if english is your first or only language) then please do not even bother applying to our linkshell.

LOL You'll be surprised how being literate and intelligent can correspond into how much better of a person and player you can be. This obviously only applies to a specific group of players (NA mainly) but the same can be said of any player. Japanese player applying to a JP HNM LS. Korean player applying to a Korean HNM LS. French player applying to a French HNM LS. And so forth.

[Princegalka]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

As an aside, I'm noticing that, while having "useful" end-game jobs is still a plus for admittance to typical HNMLS, a lot of good (emphasis on this word) HNMLSs are becoming increasingly picky about just who they'll let in, which includes not just attitude but general playing skill level.

Word to the wise for those out there who think getting any specific job to 75 without learning the intracacies of the job means you can just walk straight into the HNMLS of your choice: It will not.

There is a vast pool of level 75 players out there, many of whom have multiple jobs at 75. If you're really serious about wanting to get to do all the fun stuff at level 75 with the best players on your server, make an effort to learn how to perform your job to the best of your ability, and make good decisions. You never know when those bad decisions or playing skills will come back to haunt you, until you receive a rejection on your application to your favorite HNMLS.

If they can't trust you to know how to keep people alive without burning through MP as a white mage, they're not going to invite you. If you can't complete a skillchain without messing someone else up... they're not going to invite you. If you can't keep up Ballads or Refresh and know when to use your specialty spells and abilities... they're not going to invite you.

I've actually seen some applications rejected recently to my HNMLS on grounds such as this, and my contacts on other servers seem to be saying the same. It's not good enough to just have a job at level 75 - you need to be good at it, or you're going to be locked out from joining up with the best players (speaking from personal experience, if you aren't with the best, you're with the rest, and the difference in quality of game experience between those two is extreme, to say the least).


Icemage

very good advice... we all should try to do the best job that we choose regardless of what it is..

I know people always have negative things to say of a dragoon but if they ever partied with me they can tell you that he is a damm good dragoon and knows his job...

which brings up an entire different subjuct if whitemage has the ability to raise or teleport why do they have to charge for it..

I have escorted lower level job that want to get to Jeuno but would never think of charging someone .. it should be a honor to help another person in the game..maybe that why i get so upset with my RL buddy or other whitemages because i personally do think they should charge for something they have an ability to do anyways...thats just my own 2gil with the problems with this game and the job that some people do.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

I think a lot of people who play support classes run the risk of letting it get to their head. I just did RDM and BRD because, for a time, I liked playing those jobs, but OH GOD, trying to get a replacement for either was either hopeless or wading through a sea of primadonnas playing 20 questions with you.

Only rarely did I ever get a suitable replacement that didn't crab about whether or not we had a PLD tank or ask how much longer the PT was going (you don't always know). And good luck if they were geared appropriately and know /equip macros.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Page claimed in the name of primadonnas's everywhere!

Now where's my party invite?

[Mhurron]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

which brings up an entire different subjuct if whitemage has the ability to raise or teleport why do they have to charge for it..

Just because they can, doesn't mean they are obligated to. If you want them to take time out of their playing to do something for you, you should be ready to make it worth their time.

[Taskmage]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Just because they can, doesn't mean they are obligated to. If you want them to take time out of their playing to do something for you, you should be ready to make it worth their time.

Quoted for truth. Time is money, and they're providing you with a valuable service for getting otherwise nothing in return. That said, I think it's universally considered bad form to ask for money for a raise, but also courteous to offer a reward after the fact. Not that you should have to, just a gesture to show that you appreciate their time and effort coming out to pull your sorry butt off the ground. I find most whms now don't accept, but that wasn't always the case.

[Theyaden]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

I've found by and large most people are basicly nice and courtious regarding pting and other activities regardless of their job, but there are a few that feel the game is all about them. I've played whm and thf and I work with the party regardless of the job. That said people treat others different depending on their job. It doesn't make me a better or worse player when I log one job vs another.

I've noticed I'm treated better by other players if I'm whm since it's higher demand, but I'm the same player for both jobs. The item that irritated me the most in a pt was in the dunes as thief. The level diference had reached 3 so I was asked to leave pt, but 3 others dropped and he asked me to stay. When we had 5 members I resumed pulling vt's while waiting for the final member to keep xp going. Midpull I got kicked a replacement for me was found while going through. That pt lead was a prick and he was running a fighter class rather than a mage.

[Oogami]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Charging to Tele your party for an XP/Quest/Mission etc? Nope. That's silly.

Charging to Tele people in Cities to any of the crystals? Yes. I am not playing to be your insta-chocobo.