No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

[Princegalka]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Hmm... I think WHM should start sending tells to melee to kill stuff for them, you know, the same way melee do.


Intead of:

Melee> Come Raise III a friend in Fei'yin we are at the cloister.
WHM> But I'm xping in Bhaflau Thickets....
Melee> You are F#$%$# jerk! It's your job to Raise and Tele whenever I say so!!

Something like:
WHM> Come kill key mobs in Fei'yin so I can get this quest done.
Melee> But I'm xping in Bhaflau Thickets....
WHM> You are a F%&$#$ jerk! It's your job to kill things whenever I say so!!


That way mages could start a thread about how ALL freaking melee are so stuck up

now you are just trying to make fun of what was said..

As far as the teleporting and Raise goes, I am talking about all of you Whitemage that stand outside of Jeuno trying to get rich off of Teleporting.. And you all know who you are...

I wouldnt expect a whitemage to stop xping just to come raise me or someone in my party, especially if they are alll the way in another zone..thats just stupid...

but if you are partying close by whats wrong with raising someone in the next party..

I dont think square intended to give whitemage the teleport or raise abilities just so they can make money on people that cant do it for themselves..

And you wonder why I say that some are stuck on themselves !!

[Taskmage]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

I dont think square intended to give whitemage the teleport or raise abilities just so they can make money on people that cant do it for themselves..

And you wonder why I say that some are stuck on themselves !!

Yeah, we should teleport for free. After all, it's something we can do for you that you can't do for yourselves. And this game is about helping eachother, right?

Then, you can farm up a bunch of stuff that I need to level my craft, and just give it to me for free. After all, killing those mobs is something you can do for a whm that they can't do for themselves. I hate it when melees farm strong things and then make us pay for it.

Everybody should stop being so stuck up and expecting something for their time! I don't think Square intended for people to use their abilities just so they can make money. That's why they made gil fall out of the sky!

[Raydeus]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

now you are just trying to make fun of what was said..

As far as the teleporting and Raise goes, I am talking about all of you Whitemage that stand outside of Jeuno trying to get rich off of Teleporting.. And you all know who you are...

I wouldnt expect a whitemage to stop xping just to come raise me or someone in my party, especially if they are alll the way in another zone..thats just stupid...

but if you are partying close by whats wrong with raising someone in the next party..

I dont think square intended to give whitemage the teleport or raise abilities just so they can make money on people that cant do it for themselves..

And you wonder why I say that some are stuck on themselves !!

Nope, I'm not making fun of anything, although I do find it funny how many players think WHM are obligated to use their abilities to help them, they aren't.

The only melee who have an idea of what that's like are THFs (and maybe NINs), you see, everytime someone wants a drop THFs get all the tells in the world to go help. A HUGE majority of them wont help anyone.

And then I've seen WHMs travel accross the world to go Raise some stranger (I know because I've gotten a Raise or ask for it for someone else), but I rarely see a THF agreeing to go help some stranger get a drop they need. Do you see a mage doing a "Why are THFs so stuck up" threads? No, because most mages know how it's like.

You can talk about how stuck up WHM are, but if players bothered you to use your job's abilities to help people you don't even know (sometimes in a very rude way) you'll be doing the same thing.

WHM has the ability to Raise, to Teleport, etc. but that doesn't mean they are obligated in any way to use those abilities to help you.

[Nazo]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

You CAN do it for yourselves, buy reraise scrolls / potions or teleport rings, then you'll never have to deal with us "Stuck on ourselves" White Mages ever again.

[Murphie]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Yeah, we should teleport for free. After all, it's something we can do for you that you can't do for yourselves. And this game is about helping eachother, right?

Then, you can farm up a bunch of stuff that I need to level my craft, and just give it to me for free. After all, killing those mobs is something you can do for a whm that they can't do for themselves. I hate it when melees farm strong things and then make us pay for it.

Everybody should stop being so stuck up and expecting something for their time! I don't think Square intended for people to use their abilities just so they can make money. That's why they made gil fall out of the sky!

[sevenpointflaw]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

now you are just trying to make fun of what was said..

As far as the teleporting and Raise goes, I am talking about all of you Whitemage that stand outside of Jeuno trying to get rich off of Teleporting.. And you all know who you are...

I wouldnt expect a whitemage to stop xping just to come raise me or someone in my party, especially if they are alll the way in another zone..thats just stupid...

but if you are partying close by whats wrong with raising someone in the next party..

I dont think square intended to give whitemage the teleport or raise abilities just so they can make money on people that cant do it for themselves..

And you wonder why I say that some are stuck on themselves !!

I play this game with my money, on my time, for me, for my enjoyment. I don't play on your time, nor do I play for your sake.

The day that you (you meaning anyone that thinks I am obligated to cause me to break my comitment to my party to raise) pay me to play FFXI, is they day that I am on your time and your money and is also the day that I will be obligated to do what you want.

Until that day, you may have your raise at my earliest convenience if:

1.) Its convenient within 1hr of your death
2.) It does not interupt my party's chains
3.) Does not cause downtime between my party's chains

Until that day, I suggest that you (again, not you specificly, but rather in general) use your melee death dealing skills to farm any number of decent drops that I (a White Mage) cannot even begin to solo, and use the money and conquest you earn to invest in:

*Outpost Warps
*Teleport Rings
*Homing/Return Rings
*Reraise Items

It has nothing to do with being stuck up, arrogant, or anything of the sort. When I'm in a party as a White Mage I have commited myself to 5 other people because thats what I want to do with my time. I have made, albiet temporary, a comitment to those 5 other people that I will not break because I am as much on thier time as I am on my time.

2cent

[TheGrandMom]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Sorry Icemage, I don't think I can quite see eye to eye with you on this one, although I'm sure we have very different interpretations on what constitutes quality gameplay.

I've never been part of an HNMLS, Dynamis LS etc simply because I don't really have the time. I've been playing semi-casually with my social LS (who also are in the same boat as me) and we've progressed through Zilart, CoP and the main city missions without ever touching HNMs or anything that requires extreme amounts of concentration for up to six hours at a time, or anything that requires you to set time aside from your daily activities to be online at an appointed time at the whim of your LS.

Consequently we are seperated from the people I suppose you would term the 'best' - my name is not known amongst any of the NA on Gilgamesh, nor any of the JP (even though due to my location I play only in JP primetime), EU ... no one apart from my LS and maybe one or two other people. So I guess that puts me with 'the rest'. But my quality of gameplay is far from rubbish. Sure I don't have the best items in the game, and some of those good items are inaccessible to me unless I go kill Sky Gods, Three Kings, Wyrms etc, but I still have tons of fun with what I can do.

I know you probably weren't making a distinction that solid, because 99.9% of the time your posts are intelligent and take most things into consideration, but surely the fact that I'm not with 'the best' doesn't mean that the quality of my enjoyment in the game is crap?

And you are not taking his statement into context with your situation. He was stating those facts about people who were in an HNM. He divided the HNM's into two part, the best and the rest. Since you do not belong to an HNM, the statement doesn't apply to you at all.

[samarium]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

but if you are partying close by whats wrong with raising someone in the next party..

Raise I costs 150 MP. That's nothing to sneeze at, my party has to stop exping and interrupt our chain because you were too inconvenienced by how stuck up we all obviously are to bring one along.

With that said, if my party's okay with it, I'll toss a Raise to somebody in your party who has the spell, but I'm not going to Raise your entire party because you picked the non-whiny SMN/WHM instead.

And if you want free Teleports, then get me a free scroll of Raise II. I don't see how I should have to pay 400k for a spell that I'll never get to see the benefits from.

-sam

[TheGrandMom]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Raise I costs 150 MP. That's nothing to sneeze at, my party has to stop exping and interrupt our chain because you were too inconvenienced by how stuck up we all obviously are to bring one along.

With that said, if my party's okay with it, I'll toss a Raise to somebody in your party who has the spell, but I'm not going to Raise your entire party because you picked the non-whiny SMN/WHM instead.

And if you want free Teleports, then get me a free scroll of Raise II. I don't see how I should have to pay 400k for a spell that I'll never get to see the benefits from.

-sam

/em grins roughishly at Sam

/em high fives Sam

[Balfree]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

I don't see how I should have to pay 400k for a spell that I'll never get to see the benefits from

Quoted for awesomeness :>

[Furryfate]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

This topic is unreal!

I can't believe a race is being singled out as "Stuck on ourselves"

I just hit 59 with my WHM last night and I love the job so much.

Before I started the job, I posted on a website asking for advice and letting people know that I like to help people. I got some very good advice and a lot of things I had to figure out and go with my own thoughts and feelings.

The one thing that always stuck with me, is when someone told me to watch out for people that will get mad at you for not helping. They told me "you can't help everyone"

You can't PL someone, response is F??? U
You can't come Raise someone ASAP, response is F??? U

I will never charge to raise
I very seldom PL, but I won't charge for that either
I will charge for teleports to various people, but you'll never here me camping out yelling prices. (I hate that)


I have been very helpful.
Yes I teleport and get gil, but never tell anyone how much. If they say "teleport-reward" and they try and pay 1k I will take it, with np. If they shout 10-20k for teleport, who wouldn't do it if they aren't busy. I might reduce price when I get them in Party.
I also teleport LS and friends for free.
I go and raise people when I can. In exp parties like the jungle or other dangerous spots, the difference from you runnning to raise someone in a "Kick ass party" can be the difference between slow XP and death to you or your party, if they need you to heal.

As far as scrolls.
You gotta get your fame up
You gotta quest them unless you feel like throwing away money
Most likely you might have to have a high enough Melee character to quest on your own. (I Quested all of them on my own with my 62 Monk)
And last you have to have the actual patients to level a mage and the subs. WHM is not for the lazy or someone that gets bored really quick.

I do have a real life friend also that wants to get things done but wants it done on their time.

The other night I told him I would try to get a couple of high up buddies help him farm an item, but those who I know that can help won't be able to log in at 11pm eastern when he's ready.

So he gets mad when I'm trying to get my "BELL" for WHM AF body quest. All he had to do was wait a little bit and I would have helped. But for this I am selfish.

They also must remember if they are level 70 and I am 56 and we are farming and fighting strong mobs our purpose might go down the drain. I like to plan and have a set group to do these things.

WHM's are a very nice to people, but a lot of people think we are made out of Magic.

I know I need high ups to get quest done and Melees need me, but let's remember that everyone has set goals and plans and things get altered a little bit.

No one has Patients any more.

[Ellipses]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

And you wonder why I say that some are stuck on themselves !!

Actually, I'm pretty sure "hypocrisy" is the answer to that little riddle.

I'm more wondering how you manage to get anywhere at all in this game with such a poor understanding of human nature and economic reality.

[Taskmage]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

About this economic reality:

Ideally, everyone would be completely self-sufficient and be able to do everything for themselves. Everybody hunts, everybody eats. This works only up to the point where people want something greater than their most basic need.

For example, it'd be nice to sleep under something sturdier and more protective than some sticks leaned up against a rock with some leaves thrown on top, right? Let's say ancient plains hunter Grog is thinking during dinner one day and comes up with a way to build sturdy shelters called houses. But building houses is time consuming. If Grog spends his days building houses, he will not have enough time to hunt and he will starve. So the people in Grog's tribe work out a compromise with him. They will hunt three boars for his family to eat for each house he builds for them. Grog and his tribe exchange the services of house building and boar hunting, and barter is born.

So Grog goes about building houses, keeping his family well fed this way with juicy boar meat. Eventually Grog builds a house for Kek, but Grog no longer has any use for boars. His family is already well stocked with boar meat, and if he accepts three more butchered boars, the meat will spoil before his family can eat it. Kek, grateful for the hard work done to build his house, does not wish Grog to go unrewarded, so he gives Grog three notes as a symbol of his thanks, saying "bring these notes back to me at any time, and I will give you your reward of a boar for each one." Kek has created the concept of debt.

Time goes by and one winter Grog is stricken with illness. Another villager, Norn, has seen this illness many times in his own family, and posesses the knowledge to cure the disease. Norn uses his abilities to save Grog's life. Grog must repay this kind action, but Norn already has a house, and Grog no longer has the tools or skills to hunt; he is unable to repay Norn with his own abilities. So he takes the notes of debt he has and gives them to Norn, saying "Take these notes to Kek whenever you are hungry. He will reward your deed with a fine boar with which to feed your family." The notes of debt become currency.

As the people of the village become more advanced in their abilities they become more specialized, and the exchange of notes becomes more and more common to compensate someone for goods and services that one is unable to properly repay with their own skills. Eventually, the person or deed inscribed on the note becomes meaningless, as everyone owes someone else something and the notes are deemed to be of roughly equivalent value. The people of the village begin accepting the notes indiscriminantly in exchange for their wares, knowing that they can offer the notes to another in exchance for what they need. The notes have become a fiat currency. This is the economic system we use today.

So yes, everyone does need everyone else in this game. The system we use to make sure that each person's needs are fulfilled fairly in proportion to the help they have given others is called money. Be prepared to offer it in payment for the things others can do to help you, so that they in turn can get the help they need from another.

[Princegalka]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

This topic is unreal!

I can't believe a race is being singled out as "Stuck on ourselves"

I just hit 59 with my WHM last night and I love the job so much.

Before I started the job, I posted on a website asking for advice and letting people know that I like to help people. I got some very good advice and a lot of things I had to figure out and go with my own thoughts and feelings.

The one thing that always stuck with me, is when someone told me to watch out for people that will get mad at you for not helping. They told me "you can't help everyone"

You can't PL someone, response is F??? U
You can't come Raise someone ASAP, response is F??? U

I will never charge to raise
I very seldom PL, but I won't charge for that either
I will charge for teleports to various people, but you'll never here me camping out yelling prices. (I hate that)


I have been very helpful.
Yes I teleport and get gil, but never tell anyone how much. If they say "teleport-reward" and they try and pay 1k I will take it, with np. If they shout 10-20k for teleport, who wouldn't do it if they aren't busy. I might reduce price when I get them in Party.
I also teleport LS and friends for free.
I go and raise people when I can. In exp parties like the jungle or other dangerous spots, the difference from you runnning to raise someone in a "Kick ass party" can be the difference between slow XP and death to you or your party, if they need you to heal.

As far as scrolls.
You gotta get your fame up
You gotta quest them unless you feel like throwing away money
Most likely you might have to have a high enough Melee character to quest on your own. (I Quested all of them on my own with my 62 Monk)
And last you have to have the actual patients to level a mage and the subs. WHM is not for the lazy or someone that gets bored really quick.

I do have a real life friend also that wants to get things done but wants it done on their time.

The other night I told him I would try to get a couple of high up buddies help him farm an item, but those who I know that can help won't be able to log in at 11pm eastern when he's ready.

So he gets mad when I'm trying to get my "BELL" for WHM AF body quest. All he had to do was wait a little bit and I would have helped. But for this I am selfish.

They also must remember if they are level 70 and I am 56 and we are farming and fighting strong mobs our purpose might go down the drain. I like to plan and have a set group to do these things.

WHM's are a very nice to people, but a lot of people think we are made out of Magic.

I know I need high ups to get quest done and Melees need me, but let's remember that everyone has set goals and plans and things get altered a little bit.

No one has Patients any more.

Too funny to even comment on !

But I do like how all of the suck up whitemages are responding !!

[Murphie]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Nice analogy, Taskmage.^^

Princegalka, I'm starting to get an inkling that you might just be trolling at this point. Honestly, it's not that difficult a concept to understand. If you're not getting it, it's not because we haven't explained it as many ways as we can possibly think of.