No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

[Spinnthrift]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Actually - the more I read this thread.. the more I started to feel you guys were downtrodden and abused...

Until...

I get abused by a Whm, for camping Rams in Konschadt and trying to pop the Goblin Archeologist.

Now, no offense to you guys, but I'm a Thf, I make my money farming and crafting. When I need tele's I tip 3 - 10k depending on where I'm going, how much spare change I have, and how fast I need to get there.

Ninety percent of the time.. if I die stupidly.. I home point, unless a friend offers on LS to raise or can do it conviently.

I OP Warp virtually everywhere, carry Sneak/Prism/Shinobi Tabr 99% of the time (including Valkurm parties). Give food/oils/etc to people who need it in my parties, and generally help out wherever I can with Coffer/Thfy shout requests in Jeuno.

And when I get treated like this, by a self important trumped up Whm, I'm saddened - because I'd done nothing to warrant that behavior other than be competition for a spawn.

Do I want to say all? No.. I don't believe I do - but the more I play, the more high brow an attitude I see from the Mages in general, and it's sad that popularity and power seem to corrupt.

- Saeriel

Actually.. this person started out with the spam checking... but... hey, rudeness is as rudeness does...

[Kailea]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

hehe me being a DRG/WHM in one party I was in, I got revenge.... had this WHM that joined late in the PT because our other one left, right off the bat this guy started treating the melees like crap.....but later he died (he hit red HP and I `could not heal him` (hehehe) because of over cureing....and guess who raised him... hehe I replied.. "who is the bitch now" muhahahahaha

he declined the raise and HPed, then disbanded, we had been PTing for a bit anyw ay so everyone lughed and we all called it a night :p

[Princegalka]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

hehe me being a DRG/WHM in one party I was in, I got revenge.... had this WHM that joined late in the PT because our other one left, right off the bat this guy started treating the melees like crap.....but later he died (he hit red HP and I `could not heal him` (hehehe) because of over cureing....and guess who raised him... hehe I replied.. "who is the bitch now" muhahahahaha

he declined the raise and HPed, then disbanded, we had been PTing for a bit anyw ay so everyone lughed and we all called it a night :p

most do treat us like crap, but its the love of the game that keeps me going...

and yet another example of how SOME wht mages treat the melee class..

they think i am just making all of this up in my head..lol

[Murphie]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

most do treat us like crap, but its the love of the game that keeps me going...

and yet another example of how SOME wht mages treat the melee class..

they think i am just making all of this up in my head..lol

If most WHM treat you like crap, it's probably because of this kind of attitude you have. Do you join parties and immediately start talking crap about them or something? Are you one of those melee who shout at the WHM to poisona you, or erase you, or cure you RIGHT NOW? Because that would make any WHM hate you.

Stop trying to pass yourself off as somehow more noble than those mean old WHMs who are placed in this game for no purpose but to belittle and harass you. No one is buying it.

[Kailea]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

yeah, I never treat any other job, with disrespect, heck I always carry with me.....

HP and MP regen drinks
antidote
echo and eye drops
X-potions
and sneak and invs stuffs.....
so i try not to depend on the WHM to much ^.^

[Jei]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

um ok, your whm friend got invite. That's a good thing. Now you're upset because your friend doesn't want to be whm but play whm for the invites? That doesn't make sense. Sounds like you're just frustrating with your own invite rate. It's not the whm fault seriously.

DRG is known to be the no-PT job. You wanna stick to the job, that's your choice. Take it upon yourself like a real man, dude. Don't go around blaming it on people around you.

IMO 1 of the fun things you can do in FFXI is level up. Yes, I have fun levelling up. So playing a job that gets invites, is a lot better than playing the job I want to play. Just my personal preference. Whatever my choise, or your whm friend's choice, is, it has nothing to do with you.

[greydaze]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

This topic is not uniting people, it's dividing them!

sure you would say that you are a 59 whitemage !!

I am a 64 RNG, and **I** say all this is doing is dividing people.

1) If you ask a mage to go out of his/her way to raise you, it is CUSTOMARY to offer a trade afterwards. Most WHMs turn down the window or run off without even responding because they are so kind. But if the window goes up, they deserve a small token for getting off that chocobo/leaving their PT momentarily. I would never ask a WHM to raise if out of the zone, and very very seldomly if they are in a PT (except if our WHM has HP set somewhere ridiculous and is dead).

2) If you want to gimp yourself by not having the spells appropriate for your level, that is completely up to you! I'm sorry, but having raise 2 is something expected by most people who invite a WHM. So is having teleports. But I won't badger you if you decide not to, although I may give you a funny look. I recently took up levelling BLM, and I am not going to get most of the ancient magic spells right away. As long as a person does the job they are supposed to, don't complain. However, do not comment on my gear (it isn't exceptional, but IS good).

3) If you want a teleport-b!tch for life, buy a whm a teleport scroll! Otherwise, you have NO right to complain when a WHM accepts a small amount for teleports. Many WHMs I know give free tele's to anyone who shouts in Al Zhabi during their free time. Many will accept gil. That is the WHM's way of paying for the spell they spent half a mil on. If someone asks my help hunting a quest/AF/mission NM and I spend 5k in arrows, I will accept a gift if they open a trade window.

4) Rudeness toward kind-hearted WHMs will get you nothing at all, least of all free help. I respect almost all the WHMs who have posted in this topic. Why? The OP's posts have degenerated into meaningless drivel. With one breath, he advocates bringing people together, but with the next spews generalizations with no intent but to tear them apart. And yet, most of the WHMs have remained civil to the point of near absurdity (I wouldn't have remained so calm if the shoe were on the other foot!). I /salute you for your kind efforts.

5) It is no one's business what his or her friend chooses to level. Dragoon makes you happy, OP? Good, I'm glad you enjoy your job! Since you're having so much fun, what business is it of yours to tell your friend to stop having fun with his own free time and level something for YOUR peace of mind?! When I started playing, I was a WAR. My second job was RDM. My third was BRD. My fourth was RNG. Now, I am levelling BLM. What business does anyone have telling me what jobs I should level? I'm a damned good RNG. I was a damned good BRD at the time. And in time, I hope I'll be a damned good BLM. Who is anyone to tell me to go back to levelling WAR?

6) Flame wars make baby kittens cry. Even though this is a mainly one-sided flame war (OP and co. on WHM), there has been some back-and-forth. :-/ And the point? Not "bringing people together," as the OP tries to say. Not even an "us vs. them" debaucle. This is a personal matter between him and his friend, which he has dragged into an open forum under the pretext of a discussion.



To the OP, I would advise this:

Stop posting in this thread. You are too emotionally involved, and that is making you sound very very foolish. I get nostalgic for the "good 'ole days," too. But just because your friend is levelling a new job in which he gets many invites doesn't justify badgering him to change to an older job he no longer enjoys. If you continue this, you will not only lose more of the respect of forum members, but you will lose a friend. Which is more important? Speaking on this topic or friendship?

Please, go and reconcile with your friend and forget this thread. It's the best choice. I have a feeling he doesn't hold a lot of ill will against you and would remain your friend if you simply let him do what makes him happy.

[Kailea]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

ok greydaze you need to clam down a bit :p also OP, you need to really chill, I was in the same boat, I started playing when PC came 0out, and my firend started when PS2 came out, now.. I coose DRG as my first job to 75... and I STILL am not to 75 yet.... my friend is 75 and he chose BRD, did I care, no, did I congradulate him for hiting 75, yes I did. Now I will say this....if you choose a job to level just because you want to get to 75 faster...then you are playing that job for the wrong reasons.

[Rodin]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

4) Rudeness toward kind-hearted WHMs will get you nothing at all, least of all free help. I respect almost all the WHMs who have posted in this topic. Why? The OP's posts have degenerated into meaningless drivel. With one breath, he advocates bringing people together, but with the next spews generalizations with no intent but to tear them apart. And yet, most of the WHMs have remained civil to the point of near absurdity (I wouldn't have remained so calm if the shoe were on the other foot!). I /salute you for your kind efforts

Most WHMs have dealt with a lot of weird people. Most WHMs are a Noble bunch (hence, our Noble's Tunics.....har-har...ok not funny ;>.>). Most WHMs, by the time they're 75, have dealt with so much bullshit, and so many people's problems, it would make Dr. Phil curl up into a ball and cry like a baby.

I believe people choose their first jobs by their level of maturity, and personality type. I'd like to post my findings here one day, because it's a fairly interesting topic. But after my last study, I don't know if I should post it here. ._.

0out

Off-Topic: You speak Canadian?!?!?! O.o (Joke btw, lol) We always use that spelling to bust our LS leader's balls. He's Canadian, a cool guys, but if you ever heard him talk on TeamSpeak, you'd pee yourself laughting.

Him: "RODIN, I SAY AB00T, NOT AB00T!!!!! Those damn Red Necks from N00VA SK00TYA (Nova Scotia) say AB00T!!!!!

Me: "Dude, you just said ab00t again."

Him: "FOOK YOU DUDE!!!"

Rest of people on TS are ROFLING.

He puts his speaker on mute and goes back to crafting.

[Murphie]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

My first job was PLD! Probably means I'm an attention whore with a martyr complex.

edit: Wait, I meant hero complex. But martyr works too.

[Rodin]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

There's only two personality types:

Type A - Which is the more go-get-em types. (Melee, BLM, Any Party DD in General)

Type B - Which is more laid back. (Support/Healing Mages, and solo BST/WHM)

Personality traits, I'll have to take a little bit longer to explain. ;o

[Murphie]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

I'm leveling everything now. I refuse to be catagorized!

But my first job ever way back was WAR. Just becuase it seemed the least complicated.

[Rodin]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

I'm leveling everything now. I refuse to be catagorized!

At that point, you'd be categorized as a rebel.

I don't know why people think it's easy to escape personality profiling. Most psychologists with 1/2 a brain can tell that people don't like to be profiled, but people like to do the profiling. For the most part, a single human being likes to think they're exempt from everything that other humans are condemned to face. I call this the "Curse of Existence". Nobody, and I mean, NOBODY is exempt from things like drama. If you ever hear somebody say, "My life is drama free right now!" They're lying to you, and possibly themselves. Human beings for the most part will lament drama, but in reality, they can't get enough of it. I know I'm a Type-B personality. I'm very caring and sensitive, while at the same time, being protective. So the obvious job choices for me were WHM or PLD.

Profiling, while some think it's wrong (racial being the key one they're mentioning), it's almost necessary for human beings to group people together. Why? Because it makes us understand human behaviour better as a species. So I don't really let anyone get away with knocking on behavioural profiling. I am against racial profiling, unless you're studying cultural behaviour. This is tricky, because IMO, right now, we're starting to mix together at a very rapid rate. Soon, I belive race won't be the color of your skin, but more your cultural background, and identity. Soon it won't be Black and White. It will be Italian, African, Russian, Spanish (Spain), Chilean....no matter what color your skin is. But I think I'm being naieve here.

For the most part, I think the reason we stive to live is the quest for knowledge. We want to understand how everything works. Think of all the things we've accomplished as a species. Then, think of all the things we haven't. There's a HUGE difference. So the reason we thrive, is to understand.

[Murphie]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Honestly, profiling doesn't really bug me one way or the other. I mean, on the one hand there is the fact that a personality profile (even on a Myers-Briggs level) can't really ever cover all the bases for a person, but then again, there is the fact that people do tend to follow certain behaviors. So, someone can label me as one thing or another, but the only person who knows for certain whether or not it's true is me. Which is fine, really.

I've found that people who mention drama in terms like "I don't want any drama." or "I'm so tried of drama." etc, are generally the people who actually thrive on it, even if they aren't willing to admit it to themselves. It's not even a term that I use in my everyday life. I'm big on avoidance, really. And I shut people out when they rub me the wrong way (which is my perogative), but I don't dive head first into stuff that isn't any of my concern and get all whipped into a frenzy. Life is too short for all that.

And honestly, I wouldn't say I'm a rebel in regards to leveling in this game (although I realize you were mostly kidding). I'm just leveling everything to 37 because it seems like something to do, and because I know that later on I might want to have an unusual sub, and this way I won't have to go back to level one and struggle through the lowbie levels again, when all I really want to do is focus on my main (which I haven't identified yet - several jobs are in the running).

Anyway, I still think your personality profile thing is kind of a fun way to look at things though. There are definitely folks who fall into the aggressive melee role very easily, and others who really prefer to be on the back lines as far away from the mob as possible.

I just realized that I have no idea what I'm even talking about. It almost seems like a response to what you said, but I'm trying to level my PLD and get ready for this dinner I'm going to later, so I'm not really paying attention to what I'm typing.

edit:

People are always going to rebel against being profiled because no one likes to think that they are so simple as to be easily catagorized into this box or that one. We all like to think that we are unique and invidividual snowflakes (and really, we are on many levels), but it's quite obvious that people of different cultural backgrounds are going to have certain commonalities. However, it's not even that simple, really.

For instance - me. I grew up in a white middle class suburban household (like much of America). But even as a kid I always felt different and out of place amongst my family and neighbors (as many do), and when I reached adulthood, I moved away to live a life more closely approximating what I envisioned for myself growing up. I have little in common with my family, but on the other hand, my friends and I are very simliar in behavior and personality. So while many people take the lot they are given without questioning, others find that they don't belong and instead seek out those communities that are more similar to themselves.

Or something. I'm just kind of rambling.

[Rodin]

Re: No Offense - but why are White Mages so stuck on themselves

Here's the simplest way for me to explain how drama works.

There's Instigators (sp?) (Can also be called Trolls) - They're the one's who start it. Many reasons. Jealousy, Envy, Lust, etc. (Funny, because a lot of the deadly sins cause drama ;o)

There's Fuelers - These people are usually the freinds of the Instigator. They'll spread the drama around, by gossiping, confrontations, etc. They add fuel to the fire.

The Victim - The person the instigator is trying to harm. They most of the time don't deserve it. But sometimes do. And they're the one who bears the brunt of the drama.

There's the Apathetics - These people always claim they don't want drama, but are just as important as the cycle. The instigator or victim will usually ask them to take a stance, at which point, they'll say "I don't want any of it." And this causes drama between the two. Usually in the form of somebody being called a "coward".

That's about 70% of all life's drama explained easily, lol.




Also, note that I wasn't saying which job you're currently leveling. I'm talking about your favorite job. The one you want to level and pimp out to high hell. We all want all our subs leveled. But I was talking about the job you REALLY want over all.

Lol, it is kind of fun. Kind of like that, "People look like their dogs" thing.