Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

[Macht]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

I would get upset at those things you listed. I do not get upset about canceling an
invite. Big difference between someone taking my car, and someone sending me
a blind invite to play a video game and me hitting the decline party button. I do
realize that different people have different ideas about what is important to them
though.

I am not saying it is right to blind invite. I am just saying there is no need to be
upset about it. Now getting a ton of blind invites from the same person is another
story all together...

Exadurated I know, but wait till you run into a condition were you end up spending an extra 30 min. trying to get into the party you wanted because you kept having to decline 5-10 other party leaders sending blind invites.

That scenario actually happened to me once, something that should of taken 1-3 min. took a freaking 30 min. because some guy(s) sending a blind invite would beat the party leader I already acknowledged I'd party with.

Almost lost my chance with that party too because they were getting irritaded with the situation. 2 of them even shouted in my behalf to stop the blind invites. I didn't expect that and didn't want it brought to light like that, good or bad it adds an image to others of what they might think of me. That's just more reason to compile on as to why they can be upsetting.

[Raydeus]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Blind invites:

1- Are a sign that the leader of the party is lazy and inconsiderate (read noob) since he/she can't type a line of two explaining the party setup, camps, level range or even a simple hello.

2- Prevent you from taking another invite from a party you might've already agreed to join.

3- Are just plain annoying.

[AngryUndead]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

1- Are a sign that the leader of the party is lazy and inconsiderate (read noob) since he/she can't type a line of two explaining the party setup, camps, level range or even a simple hello.

(bolding mine, for emphasis on what I'm talking about)

I have never, since Dec 2003, and in the levels I have played, ever, ever gotten this treatment nor given it out.

Never given because it was never demonstrated as proper or even used. Not even the one all (except me) JP party that I have been invited to, so its culturaly universal.

[Gyfford]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

1st: The Xbox baby boomers are growing up. (Happend to me in the dOOn many times)

2nd:

21 NIN/WAR

on valefor at least, there is always a need for a tank...next to refresher.

3rd: Xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox...xbox

I rest my case ^.^

[Meth]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Well would you get upset, using what I said previously, if some stranger tossed luggage at you and demand you to carry it and ordered you around completly out of the blue?

Would you get upset if some stranger just grabs your car keys and takes off to buy something, even though he comes back and returns you the keys afterwards?

Would you get upset if some stranger took half your sandwich without you offering ?

These analogies make very little sense to me.. First, he had his flag up in Qufim with no search comment. So let's analyze the situation: 23 BLU, in known XP area, LFG. Now if you were standing in front of a hotel, with a bell hop uniform on, I might drive up and ask you to take my bags up to my room and hit you with a $10 spot.

I am a 75BRD, I never go anon, I get party invites and party offers(/tells) all the time when my flag is down. I simply decline, I don't get upset. Sometimes I put up my flag for a D2 or tele and get invites.. I simply decline and explain why I did so. There have even been times where I have joined the wrong party because a blind invite came after someone else's tell. I simply tell them what happened and leave.

That's my attitude.... I have a 75RDM who I static merits with who blind invites when she gets impatient. Hell she'll blind invite people who aren't even LFG. I don't condone her style but I will say she puts together some damn fine groups. So the question remains, why the attitude?

[Nakti]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Why do I ignore blind invites?

1. It could be a mistake. This happened when a JP player accidentally hit "Send Invite". It was awkward on both our parts when I sent her a /tell asking for info on the party and she was completely confused. Luckily, I knew enough Japanese to muddle through the misunderstanding.

2. WHM LFG. If I'm LFG and someone blind invites me, it could be they just want a free Tele "since I'm not doing anything".

Why do I want more than just "{Party}?"

Because it would be faster if you just sent a /tell with your PT info. If I'm going to be spending 3+ hours PTing, I want to be prepared. What level range? What jobs? What mobs? Where? How long? If you don't give me the info, I'm going to spend time asking questions. The answers don't have to be set in stone; they just give me an idea of what type of PT it will be.

BTW, the JP FFXI guides include guidelines on how to invite others to a PT.
1. Salutation (Good afternoon, etc)
2. PT makeup (WHM, RDM, etc) and level range
3. Request ("Do you want to join us for XPing?", etc)

@OP

I think you answered your question in your own post.

The party doesn't work out due to a 4 level gap

Soon after, the BLM has to go

[Macht]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

These analogies make very little sense to me.. First, he had his flag up in Qufim with no search comment. So let's analyze the situation: 23 BLU, in known XP area, LFG. Now if you were standing in front of a hotel, with a bell hop uniform on, I might drive up and ask you to take my bags up to my room and hit you with a $10 spot.

I am a 75BRD, I never go anon, I get party invites and party offers(/tells) all the time when my flag is down. I simply decline, I don't get upset. Sometimes I put up my flag for a D2 or tele and get invites.. I simply decline and explain why I did so. There have even been times where I have joined the wrong party because a blind invite came after someone else's tell. I simply tell them what happened and leave.

That's my attitude.... I have a 75RDM who I static merits with who blind invites when she gets impatient. Hell she'll blind invite people who aren't even LFG. I don't condone her style but I will say she puts together some damn fine groups. So the question remains, why the attitude?

Lol, now you are conditioning my statement. For a bell hop in front of a hotel and vallet parking you'd completly expect if you are the guest that the bell hop would be taking the luggage and if you're the bell hop you'd be planning on doing just that since it's your job. If you are a complete stranger just minding your business and another stranger starts pushing you around that's a different story.

Like what you are ignoring Meth is when the situation occures one right after another, right after another. Single occurences happening every so often isn't so bad you can just brush it off no problem and continue like it was nothing. When you get deadlocked unable to get done what you were planning because of it, then it does become a bad annoyance.

[Dayala]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Blind invites, I find them a bit rude but I don't turn them down if I'm looking for group. If I'm not LFG and I get a blind invite, I go off on the person. I've had great pt's as a blind invite and to be honest most of my current online friends I've met from those pts. I get irritated when I'm trying to make a pt and I send tells to people for invites and they get all leet on me at lvl 20.

Questions such as: PT set up? what's TNL on the highest person? Do you have X-job? I'm not joinning a pt that has a thf and / or DRG in it. I'm not exping at X place. Is your WAR using a Gaxe? If they're not, I'm not joinning. Do you have a nin tank? No? Then I'm not dying in your set up.

Those people can bite me. Obviously they're gods amongst men and who am I to disturb them with my crazy notions of making a party? Heaven forbid should I even DARE to tell them without my previous knowledge of their "LEET ONRY PTs, WILL NOT ACCEPT NOOBS OR TELLS WITH LESS THEN A 500 WORD PARAGRAPH THAT INCLUDES A BID FOR MY UBER LEET KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME MECHANICS (WHM30/NIN15)" clauses.

A tell with a PT set up and 1 or 2 options in an area to exp is nice to get for invite, people that turn you down because they act all leet at dunes can go eat some socks and choke on em. I've had great blind invites and crappy /telled invites that was a complete waste of my time. Stop being so prejudice, they'll learn and feel leet that you're the one to teach them to invite a person properly. Get those noobs early and nip their bad habits in the bud! Well that's how I see it XD

EDIT: Plus anyways, at higher levels, your search comment provides most of this information and as party leader you're making the decision if your pt set up will last the long haul or just piss people off. I always mark my TNL, where I can exp and sometimes I'll even post the time I need to leave pt if I'm exping at high levels so pt leaders can plan. Oh and if I go AFK.

[Meth]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Lol, now you are conditioning my statement. For a bell hop in front of a hotel and vallet parking you'd completly expect if you are the guest that the bell hop would be taking the luggage and if you're the bell hop you'd be planning on doing just that since it's your job. If you are a complete stranger just minding your business and another stranger starts pushing you around that's a different story.

Like what you are ignoring Meth is when the situation occures one right after another, right after another. Single occurences happening every so often isn't so bad you can just brush it off no problem and continue like it was nothing. When you get deadlocked unable to get done what you were planning because of it, then it does become a bad annoyance.

I am conditioning it because there were conditions to this situation. Mind you, you may have just gotten off work and are leaving, or maybe you're at a costume ball dressed as a bell hop. Regardless, I would ask you to take my luggage. And I'm not talking about several blind invites in a row, or people wanting to know party setup, rather why people get so outraged at blind invites when they are looking for group in an xp area.

@ Nakti

Yes the blind invite that day was a bad setup. It had a 21MNK/9RDM with his buddy the 25THF/8RDM. Still, other blind invites have worked out fine. We were all n00bs at one point in time, I remember my LS leader as a 25MNK/12RDM, he thought it was a good combo.

[Macht]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

I am conditioning it because there were conditions to this situation. Mind you, you may have just gotten off work and are leaving, or maybe you're at a costume ball dressed as a bell hop. Regardless, I would ask you to take my luggage. And I'm not talking about several blind invites in a row, or people wanting to know party setup, rather why people get so outraged at blind invites when they are looking for group in an xp area.

@ Nakti

Yes the blind invite that day was a bad setup. It had a 21MNK/9RDM with his buddy the 25THF/8RDM. Still, other blind invites have worked out fine. We were all n00bs at one point in time, I remember my LS leader as a 25MNK/12RDM, he thought it was a good combo.

Key difference highlighted, you asked in that condition. You gave the guy a chance to explain himself, different then forcing the luggage on him and not letting him explain.

[Spungy]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Well, a person that will invite you blind is either a noob or doesn't respect other players enough to extend the common curtousy of a greeting. A blind invite, or one that just says tnl? (even though my TNL is ALWAYS in my /seacom) or any other rude conversation initiator and I am put off. Whether or not I take it at all at this point depends on how long I have been sitting LFP. On my wifes BRD I dont have to put up with any of that crap, lol.

[Davitron3000]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

I can see where Macht is coming from with the spamming of invites hindering your
game experience. I have a question about that though.

Can't you just /blist the person and move on? ( I haven't used the /blist command
before so I don't exactly know what it does, lol.)

[Meth]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Key difference highlighted, you asked in that condition. You gave the guy a chance to explain himself, different then forcing the luggage on him and not letting him explain.

True, but I also asked prior to sending the BLU the invite.

[Macht]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

True, but I also asked prior to sending the BLU the invite.

Which ends up falling into the void responce. You ask the guy to take your luggage and he just walks past or stares at you, you'd already take that as a no. Hence why void responces are so horrible when players do that. They are excused more though because you are not in that face-to-face condition.

[Hamlet]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Key difference highlighted, you asked in that condition. You gave the guy a chance to explain himself, different then forcing the luggage on him and not letting him explain.

It doesn't really work, because while having pt flag up, especially with a green xp comment (although not many people use those in the early lvls), it's equivalant to the bellhop wearing a sign around his neck saying, "Give me your bags, I will take them to your room."

You don't need flag up to get an invite for teles or other pts.

Nontheless, custom dictates that some sort of message be sent beforehand. It's not entirely rational, but not sending anything denotes inexperience.

In the end, though, it's nothing to get pissy about.