Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

[AngryUndead]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

ValisOfValefor, you gave me a thought.

There is a corollary to "Blind invite = /decline" for casual gamers like me.

"If you are a Tool, I don't want you."

I'm pretty much in it for "the grind" right now, but that doesn't mean I want to have a suck-ass time. A certain amount of organization and planning are needed for a successful party, I'll grant. But if you're goint go be a tool, go home. I love a well organized party as much as the next guy, but it can be done without being a tool.

[Raydeus]

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I have never, since Dec 2003, and in the levels I have played, ever, ever gotten this treatment nor given it out.

Never given because it was never demonstrated as proper or even used. Not even the one all (except me) JP party that I have been invited to, so its culturaly universal.

There is a corollary to "Blind invite = /decline" for casual gamers like me.

"If you are a Tool, I don't want you."

I'm pretty much in it for "the grind" right now, but that doesn't mean I want to have a suck-ass time. A certain amount of organization and planning are needed for a successful party, I'll grant. But if you're goint go be a tool, go home. I love a well organized party as much as the next guy, but it can be done without being a tool.

You are the kind of person I try to avoid at all cost, and that usually includes a /blist.

[ValisOfValefor]

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Well in truth Im usually not a "tool" per se. Im just a person who gets into a party for a common cause, Experience points. Thats what i believe we all have our own reasons for joining parties, for a common cause.

Wether its for BCNMs, Missions and quests, Social enjoyment, or mine I love playing my job (and chicks dig the Paladin <ah sarcasm>), I always enjoy a party, as long as I can make everyone work effeciently wether its blind or not. And as ive gotten higher in level people seem to know more about their jobs as well and can play effeciently.

(And of course you'll find bad parties if your blind invited, But all of us do. Took me 5 hours to get from 26-28 in the jungle with my monk.)

[durecellrabbit]

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I don't mind blind invites so much, I just do /sea all name and if they're within my lvl range I'll accept or ask for more information on the party and what role they want me to play. If they're /anon I do find that rather annoying though. When I am party leader, which I try to avoid, I send a message like: {Party}{Place} jobs min lvl- max lvl (Most of the time) but I don't expect a /tell like that and have never got one like that.

[Murphie]

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Frankly, I don't consider getting a invite without a /tell, when seeking a party, rude/discourteous/boorish. Once you have chosen to seek a party, you're broadcasting the message "I would like to join a party, please invite me!" Your search comment allows you to refine the conditions under which you can expect to get an invite.

Of course, when I'm looking for a group, it doesn't mean that I would like to join any party.* I'm not going to refuse to party with a particular job, or race or anything like that. All I ask is that the players I'm grouped with put forth a good effort to making the party succeed. That means having a leveled sub, and using relatively good (not uber) gear, and not going AFK every five minutes. That's how I play, and I like to play with other people that play like me, period.

Now, that doesn't mean that I won't accept and haven't accepted a blind invite (because hey, sometimes LFG gets to a person), but it does mean that I'm going to search for the party leader, and ask a few questions via /tell before joining. If the leader is unresponsive or uninterested in answering a few very simple queries (Jobs, level range, how long until party breaks), then I'm better off just waiting for another invite to come along.

*But you did elaborate on that a bit further on in your post, so please don't look at this as me trying to single you out. I just thought your comment was a good starting point.

[sevenpointflaw]

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Okay, I hate, hate, hate blind invites. Despise them. As a White Mage, half the time I LFG, I do so simply by entering XP search comments, and coming off anon (usually I do this if I still ahve to get food, etc., from the AH, or need something from MH, etc.).

Anyhow, In the time it takes me to run from one end of Jeuno to the Mog House, I can get upwards of three or four blind invites; none of them for XP parties. I have gotten requests to Power Level, Teleport (for free), D2 (sometimes newbs are refreshing), and one got a party invite from a level 21 something wanting to XP party (I was 67 at the time).

Going to blind invite me? GTFO. The people who blind invite me have only ever wanted to use me 'cause I'm White Mage.

even when i'm actively LFG blind invites have only ever been for things other than XP parties. Hell, one I even got after I Mea'd heading out to Bibiki bay and someone wanted a Tele-Holla; they blind invited I assumed it was my party only to see "I got a teleporter" in /p. They had the gal to be upset at me when I dropped party.

So you want to know why hate blind invites? There you have it. I play White Mage, and they have never been for XP parties.

Now my solution to Blind invites is the reply, "{No thanks.}"

[Oogami]

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I have never gotten a blind invite.

Then again, I am a Dragoon.

[Pocster]

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/JP only and this shit never happens

[Jei]

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Blind invites being rude or not is probably a personal thing. I never look at it as rude, but I think it's just... lame... It doesn't make me want to join.

Consider this... When normally I would get tell like this in a regular basis
"Hello! EXP PT do you need it?"
So simple right? But this simply tell is the norm.. I'm serious, when 9 out of 10 invites I get tells like this, then all of a sudden someone just invite me without any tells.

What kind of impression about the leader will I get? Even this very short tell
"Party?"
gives me enough negative impression already.

[ValisOfValefor]

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Ya, it is a whole preferance. I mean ive had tons of good blind invite parties, so that could be the reason why i dont mind as much.

But then again for the person who said the japanese only and this shit never happens, how come it happend to me? Ive had just as many bad jp parties as american parties because of either 2 reasons.

A:Lack of communication because of the language barrier, and the fact that auto translator does not always cut it.

B:There are such things as japanese noobs too.


But once again i guess its all your experience with the game

[Ayrlie]

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2 Simple rules of common sense:

1. ASK before you INVITE. Some people consider any invite to do something without their consent extremely rude. In addition, that person could be AFK or fallen asleep.
2. NO means NO. The worst they could say to you after asking to party is No. The No anwser can be for any number of reasons. If they said no, drop the subject and move on.

[nazlfrag]

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Also I have {Veteran} {Party} {Yes, please.} in my search comment.

A pity that non-veteran players will probably ignore your search comment anyway..

Blind invites are not rude, but they are considered rude. Sending "experience points party?" before an invite conveys no information, and yet is universally considered better. It's just a custom that's developed for the game, like if someone offers his hand to shake and you do nothing, it's rude.

Well while conveying no information, there is a point to {Party}{Do you need it?}, in that it initiates a dialouge. You send a tell, I can check you, see if you are in my level range and have a well written search comment. The simple {Party}? has just told me quite a bit about who is asking. Sure, I could do the same if you sent a blind invite, yet I would also be forced into a 'Yes/No' decision before I knew anything about you. Not all blind invites are for xp parties.

Bottom line, people want an invite they agreed to. If i'm seeking and you are looking, you should initiate the dialouge, because you are making the party. Blind invites are rude, because they are a rude way to start a conversation. It is like going to get a job, where you sign the contract before you have the interview. Personally, I'd be wondering 'Where's the catch?'

A few weeks back I left a party in the crawler's nest because their chat was offensive to me. The leader sent me a number of tells and party invites that I rejected. Then he said the following bit of wisdom, "If you want xp you'll except my invite, your choice." I had made my choice but you can't fault his logic.

His logic is that xp is xp, regardless of who you had to put up with. Of course he's right, but do you want to look back one day on the thousands of xp you have earned, and think 'Half that time I sat around having a bad time listening to offensive halfwits?' You could try /blisting the whole pt and continuing, but some odd (and deadly) situations might result. There are always other things you could be doing with your time and your life than being offended by strangers.

[Caspian]

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I put in my seach comment: {/tell} {please}
If i still get a blind invite then its pretty much a guaranteed /decline. If they can't go through the trouble of reading my search comment, then I can't go through the trouble of partying with them. Although, I can't recall ever getting a blind invite when I had my flag and search comment up. (search comment always goes up first too)
I have gotten several blinds when I'm not lfg, just being in jeuno using the AH or something.
I didn't read all this thread, so I'm assuming its been brought up that when /tell'ing someone for a pt invite, that its customary to fill them in on whats going on....location, pt makeup, lvls, etc. Thats basically the whole reason why people want /tells first. That and for the heads up and atleast an illusion of an option.

[Pocster]

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Jp only mainly due to my experience when searching for members, jp have more descriptive search comments that show how experienced they are, and they dont mind discussing a pt set-up and location before invite. Most random invites are summed with the tab key and consist of [party] [do you need it?] @ [ xxxxx ] =/

[Asir]

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I accept blind invites all the time, many of my best parties have been from someone inviting me without a /tell first. I've also had just as many bad parties. The same is true to recieving a /tell before joining a party.

This is my way of doing things when I'm forming a party. The only people I will send a blind invite to are the people with search comments specifying they want to level. If the search comment specifies the person would like a /tell first, then they get this from me...

Me>> Heylo, I want to invite you to my party. I have XYZ jobs already for "Zone Name".

If a person does not have a search comment up due to laziness or just not looking for an exp group (which I think they should use the other colored dots to specify what they are looking for), then I will send the same /tell as above.

If a person has a search comment up stating they want to level up but don't specify they want a /tell first, then I don't see a need for a person to get cranky over something like a blind invite. But this is just my opinion.