Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

[Macht]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Well the blind invite deal and not doing it was originaly formed out of being a courtesy. To treat the players in-game like you would in real life. I mean what would you think of a person they suddenly toss luggage at you and demand you to carry it for them. Or if the person needed a handkerchief and just takes yours without asking or you even offering.

The joining rude behavior to a blind invite is a void responce, when you do the right and poliety send a tell to invite and they do not respond a yes or no. The void responce is forgiven more easily because there is so many situations that cause it. In either case though if you get a void responce I would take that as an automatic no, but please do give ample time for a chance to compose a responce.

Nothing is worse then an invitation to a party to have it rejected by a "We got someone" responce just a min. after the invitation request. It also shows impatience on your part which suggest that it'll be a bad experience if that same guy sends a request again.

[AngryUndead]

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Nothing is worse then an invitation to a party to have it rejected by a "We got someone" responce just a min. after the invitation request. It also shows impatience on your part which suggest that it'll be a bad experience if that same guy sends a request again.

This pissess me off, and happens to me often enough to piss me off greatly. It happened yesterday. How hard is it to count to 6?

[Macht]

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This pissess me off, and happens to me often enough to piss me off greatly. It happened yesterday. How hard is it to count to 6?

Not entirely a counting issue, what is happening usually is the leader wants to form a party quickly and continue. So he pulls up a list and just runs through it sending invites to everyone and sorts the mess out when he gets the "Yes" responce to join. That is why it shows impatience on their part, they had no care if you wanted to join them or not they just wanted a body.

[AngryUndead]

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Not entirely a counting issue, what is happening usually is the leader wants to form a party quickly and continue. So he pulls up a list and just runs through it sending invites to everyone and sorts the mess out when he gets the "Yes" responce to join. That is why it shows impatience on their part, they had no care if you wanted to join them or not they just wanted a body.

I was being deliberatly ignorant of that fact.

[Meth]

Re: Blind Invites: Why are they so bad?

Well the blind invite deal and not doing it was originaly formed out of being a courtesy. To treat the players in-game like you would in real life. I mean what would you think of a person they suddenly toss luggage at you and demand you to carry it for them. Or if the person needed a handkerchief and just takes yours without asking or you even offering.

The joining rude behavior to a blind invite is a void responce, when you do the right and poliety send a tell to invite and they do not respond a yes or no. The void responce is forgiven more easily because there is so many situations that cause it. In either case though if you get a void responce I would take that as an automatic no, but please do give ample time for a chance to compose a responce.

Nothing is worse then an invitation to a party to have it rejected by a "We got someone" responce just a min. after the invitation request. It also shows impatience on your part which suggest that it'll be a bad experience if that same guy sends a request again.

Two things:
1. I think LFG is more like looking for a job. If you were in a employment center and someone offered you a job you would want to know what the terms are, that's fine, but would you be offended?

2. I sent him a tell and was waiting for a response that was not coming. The reason I sent the invite is because I didn't want to run into a situation were I offered a spot to him, but then invited someone else. I needed to know, and I gave him a good minute plus to respond, when he didn't I sent the invite. Sometimes people won't respond to tells, but they always seem to respond to invites.

[Telera]

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I think I've only had one blind invite, and that was, quite naturally, from some leader in the dunes. I sent a /tell explaning myself, as I was more in a mood to solo (I was on my drg at the time) and then declined. It might be rude to blind invite, but I wasn't going to just say no without telling the poor little guy why. He understood, no harm done, I went on with life.

I only put my flag up when I have 5+ hours to party. If it's not up, I don't have the time and/or am not in the mood. Though I still occasionally get /tells about parties. My solution is to just stay anon. Which is what I think a majority of people do. They can't see your level, so they can't nag you.

[Regenshire]

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To me, blind invites (from people I don't know) are a warning to stay clear of the party. In my experience, someone who doesn't have enough consideration to tell you anything about who is in the party, where they plan on xping, or what type of group they are 'trying' to assemble, either doesn't have a plan or doesn't know what they are doing.

I am not personally a huge fan of the xp grind. When I xp I want to have fun. Blind invites are a strong indication that I will not have fun if I join. I have started not even using the Seek flag anymore when I am seeking a party, and just put up search comments. I get less invites, but I get more quality invites now, and normally from people I have grouped with in the past.

[Davitron3000]

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I think what everyone is saying makes sense, but it still doesn't explain why people
get upset over getting a blind invite...

I don't buy the "I had my flag up for something else (tele, w/e) and I had to cancel
the blind invite". Is that really that big of a deal? If the person gets mad that you
had to decline the blind invite, well you were going to do that anyways...

So the general school of thought here is that it is rude to blind invite, and shows a
total lack of courtesy? In my opinion, from what people have said it seems
instead of getting angry or upset about the blind invite, you should be happy.
The blind invite is letting you know you aren't interested in partying with that
person with minimal time waste

[Lilani]

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Blind invites are "bad" in the eyes of some people because it is a sign of a newbie. New players don't typically know that you are "supposed" to /tell someone before you invite them. So, when you get a blind invite, 9 times out of 100 it's a newbie who is forming a party. And, of course, the common stereotype is "ZOMg nuB!11! BAd pT BaD PT!1!!11 ab0rt abort1!"

Translation: Oh dear, a new player forming this party. I will not accept, my apologies.

I won't reject blind invites, I usually try to correct their mistakes if they are bad ones. However I will disband if they don't accept my advice or if things never get started. Also I have {Veteran} {Party} {Yes, please.} in my search comment. But, again, I will not reject blind invites right away without knowing the situation.

[Macht]

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Two things:
1. I think LFG is more like looking for a job. If you were in a employment center and someone offered you a job you would want to know what the terms are, that's fine, but would you be offended?

2. I sent him a tell and was waiting for a response that was not coming. The reason I sent the invite is because I didn't want to run into a situation were I offered a spot to him, but then invited someone else. I needed to know, and I gave him a good minute plus to respond, when he didn't I sent the invite. Sometimes people won't respond to tells, but they always seem to respond to invites.

Kind of contradicted yourself, if you considered it to being like a job or an interview then when you call the person up and get no responce do you go and attempt to hire the guy? Heck no, the guy did not return your call so shouldn't just get the job by default that's silly.

Also if you are doing a staffing agency like PRCS (Professional Respitory Care Service). I know for a fact that when staffing their techs to the hospitals that need it, the staffing personel are strongly urged to give each person called for an open position time to respond. They are adviced against just shooting through the list unless a proper condition warrents that need for example say a late call for a position needing filled an hour ago.

Now in a game time restraints of that nature shouldn't really exists if it does it's naturally a selfish act. So no reason to shoot the list unless you are really that impatient. The statement wasn't completly addressed to your OP Meth, parts of it are but I'm sure you gave the time a chance to repond that part I had not been targeting in the slightest it was mearly in addition to what good and bad people tend to do.

[Jethreal]

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This actually happened to me, and now I don't like blind invites. I'm levelling Whm, everyone likes a Whm right? Well I get a tell in Jeuno asking to pt, I say sure un-flag and anon myself...to avoid dual invites. I get to Yhoater and find the group. Leader would like to check me quick so I un-anon and put up my flag, 2 secs later the puller comes in with a critter and I see the invite pop. Only it's not this group, it's someone else, it takes me 5 secs to figure this out..hey why didn't they get protectra???...I disband, flag and finally get into the right group. Then I have to explain why I didn't join to both the pt who called me in the first place and the other group who was irritated that I popped in and out, in waht would seem to be just long enough to check the pt setup. I'm just glad no-one died.

[Macht]

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I think what everyone is saying makes sense, but it still doesn't explain why people
get upset over getting a blind invite...

I don't buy the "I had my flag up for something else (tele, w/e) and I had to cancel
the blind invite". Is that really that big of a deal? If the person gets mad that you
had to decline the blind invite, well you were going to do that anyways...

So the general school of thought here is that it is rude to blind invite, and shows a
total lack of courtesy? In my opinion, from what people have said it seems
instead of getting angry or upset about the blind invite, you should be happy.
The blind invite is letting you know you aren't interested in partying with that
person with minimal time waste

Well would you get upset, using what I said previously, if some stranger tossed luggage at you and demand you to carry it and ordered you around completly out of the blue?

Would you get upset if some stranger just grabs your car keys and takes off to buy something, even though he comes back and returns you the keys afterwards?

Would you get upset if some stranger took half your sandwich without you offering ?

People get upset with the blind invites also partly because it's disruptive to what they are doing. Weather they have party invite flag on or not, when someone sends you an invite it blocks any other invites from reaching you. So you are causing an annoyance in the needless extra task of having to type /deny 1 or more times depending on how many blind invites you get.

Or also having to do /pcmd leave if you accidently did /accept thinking the invite was from a friend's party you were going to join.

[Omniblast]

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There was also a post somewhere I can't seem to find it and I'm semi-busy atm, about how JP's view NA's behaviors and so forth. Blind invites have been shunned uponed by some JP and these JP's tell other people how YOU act as a person in game. Thusly in doing so, they will look for certain people when they party invite others. When this occurs you will either be Blackballed or Blacklisted by all the JP's and not just 1 depending on your behavior.

Or I'm just making up stuff because I want more gil to play RPG.

[AngryUndead]

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I guess if I typed slowly or played a lot more... or even got more invites then I would be frustrated more by this issue.

But I don't.

I'm more frustrated by parties that go nowhere, but I can't just pass any of them up because every one is precious at this point.

[Davitron3000]

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Well would you get upset, using what I said previously, if some stranger tossed luggage at you and demand you to carry it and ordered you around completly out of the blue?

Would you get upset if some stranger just grabs your car keys and takes off to buy something, even though he comes back and returns you the keys afterwards?

Would you get upset if some stranger took half your sandwich without you offering ?

People get upset with the blind invites also partly because it's disruptive to what they are doing. Weather they have party invite flag on or not, when someone sends you an invite it blocks any other invites from reaching you. So you are causing an annoyance in the needless extra task of having to type /deny 1 or more times depending on how many blind invites you get.

I would get upset at those things you listed. I do not get upset about canceling an
invite. Big difference between someone taking my car, and someone sending me
a blind invite to play a video game and me hitting the decline party button. I do
realize that different people have different ideas about what is important to them
though.

I am not saying it is right to blind invite. I am just saying there is no need to be
upset about it. Now getting a ton of blind invites from the same person is another
story all together...