What's the rush?

[Murphie]

Re: What's the rush?

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Probably saying "what's the rush" wasn't exactly the best way to word my question. I used to be in a static with five good friends, and we seriously tore through the exp. We got 30 in record time, unlocked Adv. Jobs, moved on to our static "mains" and were doing Limit Breaks and AF before many of our friends had reached 30. So, it's certainly possible. But we did that because we worked so well together, weren't afraid to take risks and exp in unusual locations, and just generally kicked ass. I'm all for parties like that.

I just can't stand it when people treat levels 1-74 as little more than an annoyance. Something that they just have to deal with until they can get to the level they actually want to be. Then they'll totally start being good players. Totally.

[ikkleste]

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I think most people who profess their "hate" for Valkurm/Qufim/Jungles/G.C. might find it more honest to say they hate being lower level. The problems that make leveling in those places are what they are because everyone is so low-level. Folks are just learning the facets of their jobs (and honestly, having DRK, MNK, and THF at 75 doesn't automagically make you a master of party healing). HP and MP pools are tiny, and there are minimal skills/spells/JAs to make things safer and quicker. The thing is, though, that's just the nature of being at a low level. It baffles me that people bother leveling other jobs when they hate the processing of bringing them through the starting levels so very much.

another reason to 'hate' these areas is the fact of a lack of variety... i don't mind being low level(and therefore learnign a new job and all the skills that go with it), i don't mind party with newb (too much at least). But two things do put me off going back and leveling though the teens again.

1) the attitude described in the OP, where people go through these levels half arsed becasue it's "just a sub", they don't spend the cash on gear they should (even though to most HL players it's a pitance and they could get away with just chucking the gear when done with it) and therefore end up spending just as long there as if they'd kicked back and enjoyed it. Except because they are gimply geared and dying all the time, having someone else actually do anything chalengeing for them (as a PL), as a consequence, they waste everyones time, and both they and I don't enjoy it as much as we should.

2) Why do we keep going to the same places! Dunes, Quifm, yuhtunga, yohatar, garliage, nest, -yawn! Everyone hates the dunes yet everyone still camps there. Why not go to korrolaka or KRT or Capenters or Buburimu or Horutoro or gelsba or Palbrough or Giddeus? No we'd rather go to the dunes and spend our entire time whining about how much we hate it there and it's "our 18th time through dontcha know".

[Murphie]

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The only time I've ever been able to consistently avoid the dunes has been in a static. Or when I was able to convince people to make the trek to Korroloka. But heck, even Buburimu, which is just a boatride away has mobs all the same level without any competition! It's ridiculous that you don't see people exp'ing there more.

[Hamlet]

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So I ask why as casually as possible, because I know not everyone shares my POV on this. The reason is that "Qufim sucks, and I want to get out of here", to which I reply that we'll just move on to Kazham, which everyone also hates, and then Garlaige, which everyone hates, and Crawler's, which, not surprisngly, everyone hates.

Now, I realize that I'm a bit of an oddball because I don't actually hate any of these places. Sure, I'd prefer to level elsewhere, and I do when I can, but I don't make out like it's the end of the world if I find myself there. That's the game. That's the community. That's where people level. Fine by me.

What's the rush, folks?

Speaking from personal experience, the reason why people hate the earlier zones is becuase bad parties are the norm. Everything you can think of from bad sub choices, gimped sub, crappy gear, and bad playing style all abound in those areas. It doesn't just stop at the dunes either. I think it gets better around 50, and it's MUCH better in the 70s, when I'm surprised when people don't have the best gear, even though nobody I've pted with is gimp.

Also, the people that were saying it sucks could be lvling a sub or a sub of a sub or a 4th sub. They've been through it a billion times and they just want it over with.

Judging from your sig, I'd have to say you're a special kind of player to have gone through the dunes that many times without having a high job. Most people do want to advance their one main job for a variety of reasons. Not just the endgame, but just to get new spells and abilities and xp in new places.

I can relate more to the people in your party, but shouting for a plvl when everything is going fine seems kind of silly, especially since that's never going to work.

[Murphie]

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This isn't my first character, but yeah, this time around I'm leveling all of my jobs at the same rate.

And unfortunately, I wish I could agree with you that it gets better the higher up you go. Well, let me clarify that. It does get better, but the problem is still there. Pre-37 you see a lot more halfassery (not a word, I realize) than normal, because of people leveling subs. Because you know, subs don't matter, or whatever. Even though at the time they are mains. Anyway! Yeah, so that's why you see that a lot pre-37. But even after that, you encounter folks who are just leveling a job for Dynamis or for their LS or because they are bored, etc, and you get to experience all the fun of low level idiocy, but with twice the penalty for things going wrong. It's fantastic.

And I will forever maintain, that there is nothing wrong with the zones themselves. I've done the Dunes > Qufim > Jungles > Citadel > Nest path more times than I care to count, but I've also done Buburimu > Korroloka > Altep > Eldieme > Behemoth's Dominion > etc. path too, and all that really makes things different is how dedicated the players are to having a good time and making the party work.

[Quanta]

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Speaking from personal experience, the reason why people hate the earlier zones is becuase bad parties are the norm. Everything you can think of from bad sub choices, gimped sub, crappy gear, and bad playing style all abound in those areas. It doesn't just stop at the dunes either.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

I'm not a person who wants to rush, to be perfectly honest. I just like efficiency, and bad parties are the ones that are terribly inefficient. They take 5 minutes to make, have terrible class balance, take half an hour to gain even 500 exp, people die repeatedly, lose 20% of their current exp, de-level, get frustrated, the group disbands, and everybody flags again to repeat the cycle.

If you can get a static for those levels, then great. But if you're like me, and you're somewhat experienced but don't know anybody yet who's levelling another job, you don't have that option. When I start again in June, I'm gonna log on, check to see what equipment I have, set my search comment up, and wait 3 hours for a group, all the while checking to see if there's any WHMs or RDMs seeking, and which DDs without search comments are getting groups so I can sit in Jeuno or Kazham or wherever and wonder just what the hell I'm doing wrong (I used to think it was my incredibly long name, but then it occured to me "If they can't use the search interface to send me a message, I'm probably better off not getting an invite from them").

[Atma]

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Here's another angle to look at it from:

Sub 25 parties suck. A lot.

For example, I don't hate valkurm cause of the zone. I actually think valk is a fairly fun zone. You know what I hate? Say it with me now...

Newbie Parties.

It's unavoidable at this level. The WHM leaving cause you haven't killed anything for 2 whole minutes. People going AFK with no warning for 10+ minutes and party leaders not doing anything about it. Getting 300xp, having someone die, and insisting on a raise even though they're homepointed 100 fricking feet away.

So, I submit for you my theory. Maybe the person requesting the PL didn't want a PL cause he thought you needed it, or because he was lazy, but maybe due to the fact that he knew the party was really damn good, and wanted to be able to get as much out of it as absolutely possible. I personally hate levelling anything under level 40, because parties generally tend to be so slow till refreshing becomes and option.

But of course, I tend to just hate parties in general, or rather the constant seeking for them, so I'm levelling BST atm

[Murphie]

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But that wasn't why he was doing it. He admitted as such. He just wanted a PL because "Qufim suks, lol."

[Atma]

Re: What's the rush?

Potato, Po-tah-toe ;P

[Quanta]

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Potato, Po-tah-toe ;P

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[Murphie]

Re: What's the rush?

Except not really. I'd be more than willing to ascribe your particular POV to the situation if that had been the case. But it wasn't. And besides, a PL isn't going to really make things much faster if we're already flying through the exp. It might make things safer, yes. But we weren't in any danger anyway, so that's kind of a moot point.

[Pawkeshup]

Re: What's the rush?

Well, let me drop my .02 on this one, from both sides of the fence.

For the slow leveling: I was level 30 for about 3-4 months when I was building my LS. I helped so many people in that time, and had so many adventures. I didn't miss leveling until I saw all my friends, all those I helped and who had been my level at the start of the LS, off having wild adventures places I could not go. So we got on track and caught up quickly with a great static. The levels were a blur, and forgettable. What wasn't was the great atmosphere of our static. We formed a bond that even today really isn't broken.

Once I made 75... I felt lost. All the levels I'd made really were meaningless. I had lost out on friendships, watched my LS disintegrate to nothing but memories, and really lost who I was in this game.

Now I do speed through areas. Dunes and the Jungles most noteably. Mainly because parties both places are spotty in quality at best. But for the most part I try to enjoy the levels I make slowly, steadily. There's no prize for making 75 really.

So, I guess my points are:

- Speed leveling gets you to the end fast, and lets you enjoy the endgame
- Slow levelings lets you enjoy the ride all the way up

[Murphie]

Re: What's the rush?

Well, let me drop my .02 on this one, from both sides of the fence.

For the slow leveling: I was level 30 for about 3-4 months when I was building my LS. I helped so many people in that time, and had so many adventures. I didn't miss leveling until I saw all my friends, all those I helped and who had been my level at the start of the LS, off having wild adventures places I could not go. So we got on track and caught up quickly with a great static. The levels were a blur, and forgettable. What wasn't was the great atmosphere of our static. We formed a bond that even today really isn't broken.

Once I made 75... I felt lost. All the levels I'd made really were meaningless. I had lost out on friendships, watched my LS disintegrate to nothing but memories, and really lost who I was in this game.

Now I do speed through areas. Dunes and the Jungles most noteably. Mainly because parties both places are spotty in quality at best. But for the most part I try to enjoy the levels I make slowly, steadily. There's no prize for making 75 really.

So, I guess my points are:

- Speed leveling gets you to the end fast, and lets you enjoy the endgame
- Slow levelings lets you enjoy the ride all the way up

I agree completely.

[Jei]

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But that wasn't why he was doing it. He admitted as such. He just wanted a PL because "Qufim suks, lol."

answer : without PL you don't have to go to Qufim. You can stay here in the dunes for a long while.

[Murphie]

Re: What's the rush?

I would have loved to fight beetles in Sauromuge.