10 straight lost... Mysticmaker...

[Aeni]

Re: 10 straight lost... Mysticmaker...

Well I only go hunt him on one of my lvl 75 jobs and when I use Dia I or II and someone provokes, it's bye bye Mysticmaker. Just happened 2 days ago and I swore I wouldn't camp it again for anyone! You need to have a voker or ranged attacker with this new claim system and its downright annoying.

It's not exactly true. It's a paper-scissors-stone deal (Roshambo) if you and the voker both claim at that instant moment (Like Dia landed at the same time Voke lands) and that's where the system decides which gets bigger hate.

However, if your dia landed first, you get claim ... NO MATTER WHAT. Unless two things happened:

-Mysticmaker got blink on and it absorbed it (But I thought it was a BLM type mob, so go figure...)

-Somehow, your Dia got resisted (It has happened before and there's no explanation other than a system glitch or error)

Double Post Edited:

You sure? I was outclaiming gilsellers on PHs for Ulli with Flash? I'm sure Dia would've done it too. But something weird has been going on sky lately.

The pop time for the PHs for Ulli are 16 minutes. And the ToD of the last PH was 8 minutes in, and Ulli popped. I thought we got the wrong ToD, that was until I walked THROUGH a zone, and kept going. Dunno what happened. I play on Xbox now, and I thought it was a PC-like glitch. THEN, while we were waiting for Faust to pop, we were fighting some dolls for limit points. It goes into self-destruct mode, and 2 BLMs stun it. It still blows up. WTF? Did SE do something to sky? >.>

It's called Lag. I've been experiencing weird server disconnects the past two weeks. I'm sure it has a lot to do with the server patching for Aht Urhgan, so I'm not surprised. Need to email tech support and let them know about all of these problems. Eventually they'll have it ironed out, but until then you're going to see a lot more weird stuff.

[Hamlet]

Re: 10 straight lost... Mysticmaker...

I know that I've outclaimed people since the update with dia. I guess what the last guy mentioned must've happened. But I know that dia has turned his name red, and that means he's mine, right? Unless I'm mistaken and even after his name turns red, someone could still voke it off me, and the people around me just didn't bother to try it, but I kind of doubt that would happen.

[Aeni]

Re: 10 straight lost... Mysticmaker...

I know that I've outclaimed people since the update with dia. I guess what the last guy mentioned must've happened. But I know that dia has turned his name red, and that means he's mine, right? Unless I'm mistaken and even after his name turns red, someone could still voke it off me, and the people around me just didn't bother to try it, but I kind of doubt that would happen.

Yah I agree with you. if you got claim, Red Name means you GOT CLAIM. You don't see name color change? Or if it's purple? Sorry, you just didn't get claim at all.

I'm thinking of these scenarios. Take your pick:

(1) How the abilities and spells listed on your chat log does not indicate the order in which occured. This has been proven before many a time and I'll reiterate this now. Do not believe that the order in which things occured on your chat log! It's only a repository of what happened, not necessarily in the order it has happened.

Example:

Aeni casts stun on Garbage.
Joanie uses Provoke on Garbage.
Provoke is used on Garbage.
You cannot use that ability at this time. <-- Key phrase here. If you read my first post above, this means that stun landed during the time when you're not allowed to claim the NM.

(2) Sometimes casting can be interrupted (Becuase you moved -- ever so slightly and this happens with controllers a lot -- and that can interrupt a casting), but during the heat of the moment, people didn't even see that, especially if they got chat spam and fail to scroll up further past the point than where the event occurred.

(3) Another possibility is that something never made it into the chat log due to lag or your internet connection. In Beseiged especially, this has happened numerous times.

Example:

Aeni uses Guillotine on the Lamia.
Aeni hits Lamia for 96 damage.
Rophy hits Lamia for 111 damage.
Critical Hit! (or something like that)
Joanie hits Lamie for 88 damage.
Rophy uses Rampage on the Lamia.
The Lamia takes 553 damage. <- (Note, this was reported, but what about Guillotine? Nothing about a miss, nothing about evaded, TP is now at 14% and the Lamia's HP dropped before Rampage was used and then again after, which indicates Guillotine did land, but was not recorded into chat log due to lag)

We could speculate all day. Even if there was a bug or problem, I don't think just something that happens once can be perpetuated or even duplicated. I don't see anything wrong with the new claim system and it is not broken.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: 10 straight lost... Mysticmaker...

One thing you're forgetting is the aggro issue. If someone gets aggro from the mob and you cast Dia on it, it does not mean you will get claim. This is OFTEN the problem at Ulli camp where Dia just will not be enough. It all depends on the camp but I've seen it happen many many times and it's aggravating as hell. I've even seen ls members hit the mob, do damage, and lose claim. Like I said before, the new claiming system irritates the hell out of me.

[tdh]

Re: 10 straight lost... Mysticmaker...

1/12 on that damn Gobby. Another guy in my LS is 1/15. Another is about 0/10 or more. (Not that this crazy Taru needs any extra MAB! lol I've seen him land 1700 non-MB Thundaga IIIs.)

They key is the spawn window. There are no place holders, and it has 3 spawn windows. 1st window opens up 1hr 45min after ToD, and is open for 3 minutes. Next one is 2hrs, and then 2hrs 30mins. Each window is 3hrs.

I camped this Bastard Sword +1 for two months solid so I could have the Earring for my Maat fight. Once I was given and tested out the spawn window theory, I was claiming 3~6 spawns in a row.

I use Gravity. As RDM, since I've used Gravity to claim, I have yet to fail. It's fast, but not so fast that the claim system stops you. My 1st encounter with the spawn window was when I was using Poison. It was so fast, I tried to cast another spell before somebody else got the claim. But I've beat Stun and Provoke with my Gravity method. Give that a try, see if that helps you out in your torture. I really dislike camping NMs, but I swear sometimes it seems like a necessary evil.

[Aeni]

Re: 10 straight lost... Mysticmaker...

I use Gravity. As RDM, since I've used Gravity to claim, I have yet to fail. It's fast, but not so fast that the claim system stops you. My 1st encounter with the spawn window was when I was using Poison. It was so fast, I tried to cast another spell before somebody else got the claim. But I've beat Stun and Provoke with my Gravity method. Give that a try, see if that helps you out in your torture. I really dislike camping NMs, but I swear sometimes it seems like a necessary evil.

Like I said, it's all about timing with the new claiming system. I still don't understand why RDMs use Dia. Unless you're like Nanatsu and can excercise restraint, you're not going to get good mileage out of a crap claiming spell like that.

Gravity works nicely since it has a 1.5 sec cast time (According to Elemen's) so reduction of casting speed only will bring it just above 1 sec. Adding a delay factor for lag and what have you, this makes it into a perfect claiming spell (1~2sec add on to ~1sec) Gravity also causes a good amount of hate, good enough to pull on an aggro even.

Stun is a good hate getter. It's effective, but because of the fast cast bonuses, suffer from the same problems as Dia. Heck, even Weapon Bash pulls nicely, provided you're close enough to fire it.

[Jei]

Re: 10 straight lost... Mysticmaker...

I'll try gravity next time. thanks for the tip. It's always good to know what works for others, you know ><