Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

[Tyros]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

I thought you cant skill up unless you actually do dmg to the mob.

1dmg doesnt sound too great on a steelshell.

They did change that with melee weapons. But I don't think that holds true with ranged attacks.

After the change, I went trying to raise my marksmanship skill on worms in Quicksands. Quite often, they would stoneskin, but I would still get skill on them even when I hit for 0 damage.

Now, there are two possible outcomes here. Either ranged weapons weren't affected or the game counts it as you are doing damage to the stoneskin.

[Fynlar]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

After the change, I went trying to raise my marksmanship skill on worms in Quicksands. Quite often, they would stoneskin, but I would still get skill on them even when I hit for 0 damage.

You can still get skillups for melee hits that do 0 damage as a result of Stoneskin.

And yes, even ranged attacks that hit for 0, no matter what, seem to still provide a skillup. I used darts to cap my throwing on RDM though, and not even Steelshells reduced my damage to 0 (although with their Defense Boost up I would often hit for 1...)

[sevenpointflaw]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

You're still doing damage v. Stoneskin; its just taking damage from the stoneskin not the Mob (so it won't show up in logs).

[Aeni]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

This is great for pulling for jobs that do not have a ranged weapon option in places like Sky where you don't want to aggro a shit load of magic aggro monsters.

This is a brilliant weapon, IMHO. Definitely a plus for mages everywhere.

[Sager]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

Hopefully you will be able to skillup.

I remember when I got my Rosenbogen for PLD, I was sad to find out that PLDs can not skill up Archery. (not sure if they made changes to this, since I put PLD on hold).

[Patchinko]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

I was told that the latent effect is only during Beseiged, so it is not especially useful if you have a Morion Tathlum or other ranged slot caster item unless you are in Beseiged.

[Icemage]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

You're still doing damage v. Stoneskin; its just taking damage from the stoneskin not the Mob (so it won't show up in logs).

Doesn't have anything to do with Stoneskin. Hitting for 0 can still provide melee and ranged skillups (try it sometime with a Trick Staff or Ceremonial Dagger or other DMG 1 weapon - you can still gain skillups even while hitting for 0).


Icemage

[Mhurron]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

Doesn't have anything to do with Stoneskin. Hitting for 0 can still provide melee and ranged skillups (try it sometime with a Trick Staff or Ceremonial Dagger or other DMG 1 weapon - you can still gain skillups even while hitting for 0).


Icemage

I thought this was changed in a recent patch.

When engaging a monster with auto-attack, melee weapon skills will no longer improve unless at least one point of damage is inflicted.

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/update...V1/detail.html

[sevenpointflaw]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

Well, they SAID they changed it.. doesn't mean they did or that it worked. It very could be another mistranslation - you have to be able to hit and do damage to skill up (even if that damage is 0).

[Mhurron]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

Well, they SAID they changed it.. doesn't mean they did or that it worked.

The change was back in October, if the patch hadn't worked they would have patched the patch by now.

It very could be another mistranslation - you have to be able to hit and do damage to skill up (even if that damage is 0).

If this were the case then nothing changed and they wouldn't have said it was changed behavior.

[Sethe]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

They did change it. People were getting 0 damage skillups in Sea and capping off their weapons with no effort at all (0 damage would mean they wouldnt attack you back)...

[Icemage]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

Hmm.. I must have missed that in the patch notes. Have had capped skills on WHM and BRD for quite some time, and haven't taken the time to cap skills on RDM yet

I'm not really sure why that was changed; as far as I know, attacking anything in sea turns it red, even the normally passive Ul'hpemde. The only 0 damage trick I was aware of previously was just continually casting Sleep II and hitting stuff for 0 (which only really works for a handful of weapon types that have DMG 1 weapons anyway - Great Katana, Club, Staff, Dagger are the only ones I'm aware of).


Icemage

[Balfree]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

Im excited about this too, i want the lamiabane bad!

[Jei]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

the orange gold fish in Sea will turn red if you do anything to it. But as long as you're not dealing damage, it will not attack back. As far as I know :O
A nin friend showed me by casting debuff stuff on them. Pretty funny

[Nyru]

Re: Yay, SE made one of my wishes come true!

How do you get this item (and the other two listed in a previous post) that correspond to Beseiged? No area or drop info is in the Somepage listing, and I couldn't find them on Alla.