So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

[Tif]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

I do have some moral fiber, I'm not a crook or anything... I just see this as sorta like a bank error, when they screw up they don't expect you to give the money back and you also don't have to(at least I didn't :D)

Actually, if a bank error occurs that puts more money in your account, they do take it back when they find out. If you remove the money and spend it, they will come after you legally. Had an uncle almost end up in jail due to a bank error in his favor of about 20k. He took it out, and when the bank came after him for it he pretended like he didn't have it. After looking at jail time, the money magically reappeared. You figure when the money ends up in your account by mistake, it's because it came out of someone else's by mistake. It's just like when there was a bank error where money came out of my account to pay someone else's electric bill. The bank made it right.

But this is a game. There is no law about keeping it and if you follow the rules laid out by SE, you aren't stealing or doing anythign wrong. The decision is solely up to the person. I personally usually return if I can track the person down and it was an obvious misbid, like stack price for a single item. If it's something where I can't tell if it's a misbid, I'll try to contact the person or send it back if they contact me. If I can't track the person down or didn't realize they misbid, then I only worry about it if they contact me. But that's just the way I am. I feel guilty if I feel like I took advantage of someone.

It all comes down to what an individual feels like doing. But if you've been on the other end of it and had no luck recovering, you have experience of how it feels. I know I wouldn't want to make someone feel that way, even if I never got the same courtesy back in return.

[TenchiHawkwing]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

I dunno, they didn't come after me... I ended up with 2320 extra dollars in my account. I left it there for awhile thinking they'd take it back after seeing the error. Never happened, so I thought they didn't take it back!

[Ziero]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

A while back I threw up about 6 Carapace gorgets on Jeuno AH for 10k each. I was then sick in bed for a week. I come back on game, check my MH and sitting in my Inboz is 700k. Someone overbid on one of the Gorgets and the cash has been sitting in my DB for the entire week I was gone. I check the history and find the guys name, but every time I /sea all'd it (didn't know about the charactername@pol.whatever email thing) he was never on. About another week passes and still no word from him and my LS keeps telling me to keep it as it was his fault for over bidding. Despite that though I just decided to up and mail him the difference, which was about 690k, and if he didn't pick it up in two more days I'd keep it.

Well he did pick it up. I still haven't heard from him, my LS mostly thought I was nuts for doing it. But either way, it was still the right thing to do. That gil wasn't mine, it was an accident he sent it to me, an accident anyone could make. I know if I accidentally over bid on something I would want that person to return the extra cash. And if it did happen, and they were willing to return it, I would probably tell them to keep a bit extra over what I tried to buy for being so kind and honest.

As said before, it's common courtesy, which is sadly not that common anymore. But it should be. And I'm certainly not helping the problem by becoming it. The only way to make common courtesy more common again is for more people to practice it.

Do unto others as you would have do unto you. That's the only real rule I follow. And if more people followed that simple statement there would be far fewer problems around.

[Harrison]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

What I would do kind of depends. If it was something I sold off of a mule, I would probably try finding the person through /tells for a couple days. If I sold it from my main, I'd expect them to try and find me through /tells. If I couldn't find the person within a week, tough luck for the buyer, I'm spending the gil.

[levish]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

I'd say return the gil.

You cannot however force morality on someone, being moral is something you should do because you want to do the right thing. So all the posts urging you to return it are a waste since you aren't returning the gil simply because you want to even if you choose to return the gil.

[Macht]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Well to the point of greed credit cards open a good gap were people can dispute a charge. Credit card company contacts the company getting the money and say "We are taking the money back" no if and or but about it. Company could even prove they got the money out of fair trade (customer purchased the item) and still not win it.

Same thing to the other point around when banks find they made an error. Moral is hard to identify many times with these situations, so you really can't judge every in-action as greed. I mean if you can't indentify from a first hand source (chat log or price history for the game) then how can you know if the person who comes claiming is the right one? Especially after you've already went around saying you got this extra money. Compile that with the guy not coming to you for it because he already thinks you won't give it back.

It just makes a bad setup, because the one trying to give it back has to let people know they got this money. In turn that defeats the only remaining method to return it and know that it is that person's money. So it kind of double-edged not very cut clean white and black some times.

With that said I've so far made a total of about 60 mil from bad bids on silk. Have tried to find them, didn't tell anyone I had the money. Since I couldn't find them on the price history it was up to them to find me if they wanted it back, they never did.

[Hamlet]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

I don't see how people are expecting you to return all of the gil. I've overbid I think 100k on something one time and contacted the guy numerous times and never got a response (I even asked for just some of it back- I think at the time it was all I had and I needed it). I've actually never heard of someone returning all of an overbid.

Personally, I would wait until the person contacted you and then return a portion of it just to ease the pain, but it's up to you. It's not like you did anything malicious to try to get the extra gil from him.

[Ciros]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Ultimately, it is a question of morals.

Imagine you found a wallet on the street. Inside, it held $500 all in 20 dollar bills. It also contained a bank pin number, a credit card, and a driver's license.

What do you do with the wallet? Do you keep it, or return it?

If you did find a wallet just like the one decribed, and would keep it, keep the gil.
If you found a wallet just like the one decribed, and would return it, return the gil.

The choice is yours.

[Eohmer]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Well, I'm glad I am who I am. I have given back large amounts of gil to people who overbid. I was not contacted most of the time and do you know what they said when I contacted them? "I thought why bother contacting the person when they won't answer or won't give it back." So thats why you aren't getting contacted many times. People are so disillusioned about other people that they won't even bother trying. I'm proud to say that I don't deal with being greedy and that I can treat others the way that I would like to be treated. Keeping the gil is just plain greed. You can try and cover it up with "its fair to keep it" "they are the idiot for not being careful" "the game gives you plenty of opportunity to cancel" blah blah blah....its just greed.

Exactly!

[Suichi]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

If I got 100 mil for a stack of meat kabobs I'd return the money.



I really would. <.<

[Eohmer]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Ultimately, it is a question of morals.

Imagine you found a wallet on the street. Inside, it held $500 all in 20 dollar bills. It also contained a bank pin number, a credit card, and a driver's license.

What do you do with the wallet? Do you keep it, or return it?

If you did find a wallet just like the one decribed, and would keep it, keep the gil.
If you found a wallet just like the one decribed, and would return it, return the gil.

The choice is yours.

I'd return it. Who knows, they may even reward you for your good deeds.

[Suichi]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

One time, it was weird.

I bought a fishing rod for like 500 gil.

Then a JP player(Who I apparently bought it from) told me I overbid by 150 gil, and he sent it to me.


It was really nice <.<

[Rai|Kye]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

you can make 8mil in 1-3 days without screwing someone over who got a lag at bidding ....
i will always return money to ppl if they highly overbid because i would like ppl to do the same to me.

[Atma]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Let me clarify my position:

If someone misbids on my items, and /tells me, I will return most of the sum that was overbid. I would keep some if the process of returning it is inconvienant. If someone misbid like, 10 mil over on an item, and I was right in jeuno, I'd return all of it. If I had to go to jeuno from somewhere isolated and they were not willing/able to meet me, I'd probably keep a mil or so.

I would make a special consideration for a person if it was obvious to me that they had accidentally hit left too many times and bid all of thier gil. To me, the fact the game will do that is incredibly inane.

However, I firmly believe that you should never recieve such a /tell. If you overbid, you suck it up and eat the loss. That's what I've done every time I've done it.

Lag is a copout. If you're bidding millions of gil for something, you better be taking your sweet time and making sure your bid is right before you press the confirm button. If you're rushing through bidding in 10k increments trying to get the cheapest price available, I have little to no sympathy for you.

Miscounting decimal places is a copout, the game puts in commas.

Yes it's a good nature thing to return the money if asked.

[kenshin-san]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

If there was a world where everyone gave back money for their misbid's then sure I would return the money, but it just doesn't work like that. Say I misbid and that person gave me my money back then I would start doing the same.