So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

[Jei]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

If there was a world where everyone gave back money for their misbid's then sure I would return the money, but it just doesn't work like that. Say I misbid and that person gave me my money back then I would start doing the same.

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[kenshin-san]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Thank you, Jei! lol

[Taskmage]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Don't defend your own actions by condemning those of others. I shudder for the world when "I don't believe that you would show kindness to me, so I'll show none to you" is a valid arguement. You reap what you sow. Throwing away hours of your time for nothing is crushing, especially to the tune of ten million gil. You know that person has to be beating themselves up over such a foolish mistake, and you have the power in your inbox to relieve them and give them some reason to have faith in other people, but you let them suffer. Now that person is bitter and angry and that much less likely to show you kindness when you make a mistake and misbid on their item. You've made your own bleak reality come true. How do you defend that behavior?

May I remind everyone in this thread that despite what you think of the OP's actions, name calling along the lines of "selfish prick" and "greedy bitch" is considered flaming. I'm incredibly disappointed to see so much of it, especially coming out of moderators. The next person to throw an insult gets a handful of warning on a lock on the thread.

Moreover, you should all be ashamed of yourself for making me say that. I sound like my dad. That's unforgivable.

[kenshin-san]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

I never said it was a rule, nor do I tell him he SHOULD, I just said *I* would. It's right as far as common courtesy.

Okay someone dropping their wallet or dropping a $100 bill and returning is common thing, I do it all the time. But someone dropping 10mil is not common at all.

I think [GM]Dave says it best in his blog:

You did not Overbid

I've overbid, and yeah, it sucks. But you shut up and eat the loss like a trooper.

omg where did you find that? It's so funny!

Ultimately, it is a question of morals.

Imagine you found a wallet on the street. Inside, it held $500 all in 20 dollar bills. It also contained a bank pin number, a credit card, and a driver's license.

What do you do with the wallet? Do you keep it, or return it?

If you did find a wallet just like the one decribed, and would keep it, keep the gil.
If you found a wallet just like the one decribed, and would return it, return the gil.

The choice is yours.

I would definitely return the wallet the way I found it, no doubt in my mind. It would be harsh finding out that your wallet went missing, and who knows what people are doing with it. I personally believe in karma, but the reason I would return the wallet isn't because I'm afraid of something bad happening to me or getting a reward for helping someone. The reason is I believe that people learn by examples, and I really believe doing things like this makes the world a better place. (no sarcasm)

On the topic of returning the gil, I wouldn't because my mentality with this game is that it's a game, and if I made a hit with someone over bidding it's my blessing.

[Balfree]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Some people think its right. And return it. Some people think its right. But dont return it.
Some people think its ok. And keep it. Some people think its great. And are proud to keep it.

People are different and everyone should respect that, this "im not saying" and "im not saying youre saying" argument never takes us anywhere, you know...

[Rai|Kye]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Some people think its right. And return it. Some people think its right. But dont return it.
Some people think its ok. And keep it. Some people think its great. And are proud to keep it.

People are different and everyone should respect that, this "im not saying" and "im not saying youre saying" argument never takes us anywhere, you know...

yeah but if you have no intention in changing your mind, why would you make a thread about it ?

unless you are a attention whore......

[Dayala]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Personally, I've gone straight to my send box and returned excess gil if it's been -way- overbid. I can't keep gil that was obviously over bid. I don't wait and see if the person will contact me, even if 9 mil is a nice surprise. If that gil is still in my sent box after 5 days, then It would be safe to assume they are not interested in the overbid or they have quit the game, yay gil for me. (Which happened once, woot moula) I don;t know about you but 9 million can be tedious to farm and I would be -relieved- to get it back after a mistake like that and that person would be held in high respect by me and I'd spread the word that person was more then honest, they respected a stranger enough to not abuse my mistake.

I know when I got a lag spike once and I over bid on an item, I searched for that person and hoped they'd return my gil but they didn't and told me it was my mistake. I would of -never- done that but that's where my own personal sense of right and wrong varies from others. I'm not angry at that person because it was -my- mistake but it still would of been courteous to return my gil that I worked hard to get. I've only overbid twice by mistake in the 2 years I've played and once my gil was returned and the other wasn't. "Treat others as you would wish to be treated" I think that should apply to both in real life and in game life.

The internet gives you a chance to act like a complete retard since you don't have to look at anyone face to face and people have no problems treating other human beings like complete crap when the opportunity presents itself, especially in the faceless world of online life. You can rip someone off in a game, log out and forget about it, never facing your actions or feel responsible for the grief you caused someone. Anyhoot! Personally, I'd return the gil, even if it was a complete asshat that overbid and I had him blisted.

[Rai|Kye]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

The internet gives you a chance to act like a complete retard since you don't have to look at anyone face to face and people have no problems treating other human beings like complete crap when the opportunity presents itself, especially in the faceless world of online life. You can rip someone off in a game, log out and forget about it, never facing your actions or feel responsible for the grief you caused someone. Anyhoot! Personally, I'd return the gil, even if it was a complete asshat that overbid and I had him blisted.

hits the nail on the head

i think i may fall in love with you

[Dayala]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

/blush

Glad to see someone else sees it that way too XD

[TheGrandMom]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

May I remind everyone in this thread that despite what you think of the OP's actions, name calling along the lines of "selfish prick" and "greedy bitch" is considered flaming. I'm incredibly disappointed to see so much of it, especially coming out of moderators.

Interestingly I reviewed the moderators posts and neither of those terms were used. In my first post, I alluded that if someone keeps a large sum of money, as per the OP's post, they were a greedy prick. So no one was outright called that, it was just an opinion and I'll stick to it. And if you have an issue with me, take it to PM's Taskmage.

[Ziero]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Well in the OP's defense, they never said whether they gaveit back or not, nor did they ask about opinions about what to do. I believe this topic was more of a 'Holy cow I can't believed this happened' kinda thing then anything else. Calling the OP names or telling them what to do was never the point or purpose of this topic and won't solve anything. But since the discussion has been brought up, it should continue as it's an interesting topic.

As for this, and I mean no offense to the poster as this is something many people feel:

If there was a world where everyone gave back money for their misbid's then sure I would return the money, but it just doesn't work like that. Say I misbid and that person gave me my money back then I would start doing the same.

Why should one need to wait for someone else to do it first? Why can't you, on your own accord, return the gil? It's thinking like this that only perpetrates more people to keep items gained from situations like this. The "I'll only do it if someone else does it first" kind of thinking only means fewer people will actually do it. If you want people to return your things, you should return theirs without a prior presidence. If that's the kind of world you want, you should start on your own instead of waiting for others to go first.

[Leie]

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To echo what other's have been saying, it does come down to personal morals. The golden rule of "Treat others the way you wish to be treated" does wonders as others have pointed out.

I personally think that if it was in error; I send it back. If it was not in error (ie. the current price history) I do keep the gil. If the person has ever contacted me about the gil; I send it back. I have never asked for gil back that I have overbid; because it is my fault that I didn't slow down and take time with my bidding. (heh, and I haven't overbid by a *substantial* amount.)

The reason I differentiate using the price history is because of the price fluctuations that have still been occuring on my server. There is also supply and demand fluctuation that causes the prices to surge and retract a bit. For example: if I list ore at 20k and price soars to 30k in the price history, then I accept that inflation occurs; otherwise I return gil from a bid over whatever the price history at the time was. I feel uncomfortable if someone has overbid on an item and I don't return it, but that's my thing.

<a soap-box and lecture podium magically appears around Leie's Mithran 'toon>

I don't know if it's upbringing or age or regional differences, but I was raised to maintain personal and family ethics/honor and with the expectations that "No, sir/ma'am" and "Yes sir/ma'am" were to be learned and used frequently. Sound too good to be true? Maybe... but Please, Thank you; Sir, Ma'am; and general manners still exist in my area. I recognize that other people will stab me in the back because they are different or have different morals. I was raised that if I stole any item from someone or a store, I got the snot paddled out of your backside... then I was marched up to the person/place I 'offended'; had to go tell them what I did and ask what I needed to do to fix what I did. I will always treat others with respect and will uphold my ethics because that's who I am. Heh, I'm no longer scared of being paddled, but it's been firmly engrained into my personality.

(In this paragraph 'you' implies 'general reader'.) If you can keep someone's money with a good conscience, then by all means do so. If you feel that they might have made a mistake and can put yourself in their shoes enough to sympathize with what they would be feeling, then return whatever you feel is appropriate. Extenuating circumstances will happen: you might not be able to figure out who the person was that overbid on the item; or you might be not be able to log into your account for whatever reason. (It's a different if you're offline due to moving or sick or other uncontrollable reason, rather than if you are avoiding being seen.)

I realize that I am preaching and a little over the top; but it really is how I am and how I was raised. Take from it what you will; otherwise file it under miscellaneous information.

[Maju]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

Why should one need to wait for someone else to do it first? Why can't you, on your own accord, return the gil? It's thinking like this that only perpetrates more people to keep items gained from situations like this. The "I'll only do it if someone else does it first" kind of thinking only means fewer people will actually do it. If you want people to return your things, you should return theirs without a prior presidence. If that's the kind of world you want, you should start on your own instead of waiting for others to go first.

Don't you just love it when people justify their selfish actions by simply saying the world is a bad place and that's how it works. Gee, I wonder why?!

Personally I believe in treating others as you wish to be treated yourself, which obviously means I'd send the gil back without a second thought.

[Venion]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

In this situation I would only return the gil if I was contacted by the person who overbid or someone who speaks for them like a friend or LS member, but regardless of what I would do, people make mistakes all the time but if someone is dealing with 10mil and over bids thats their mistake, the other person is not obligated to return the money nor are they a jerk for refusing, it was their mistake not yours, it may be nice to return it but its far from mean.

[Maju]

Re: So someone misbid on my leaping boots for 10mil

In this situation I would only return the gil if I was contacted by the person who overbid or someone who speaks for them like a friend or LS member, but regardless of what I would do, people make mistakes all the time but if someone is dealing with 10mil and over bids thats their mistake, the other person is not obligated to return the money nor are they a jerk for refusing, it was their mistake not yours, it may be nice to return it but its far from mean.

It's true that they are not obligated to return anything, however, if the roles were switched I'm sure you'd like to have your gil back and you'd think the other guy is a jerk for taking advantage of your (admittedly stupid) mistake.