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  • Hackless Speed Hack Bug

    Ok, so today my girlfriend and I were in Delkfutt Tower, and we were making joke about how on my screen it looked like I was running in front of her and on her screen it looked like she was running in front of me. This of course is common to any MMO, and caused by normal latency, and not lag.

    Why do I bring this up, you ask? Because it points out that we were running the same speed.

    About ten minutes later, my girlfriend's character starts running faster than me. We figured it was just because her system was lagging and that it was just an illusion.

    Sure enough, when another person joined the party, they asked "are you running faster than normal?" Okay, so at this point we test it, and sure enough she was running near Flee speed. Not quite Flee speed, but close. I told her to restart POL/FFXI, then reboot. Still having the problem.

    So I tell her to call a GM cause I didn't want her account flagged for speed hacking. Now keep in mind, she did a clean reboot, is playing FFXI with no 3rd party programs (not even windower), etc., etc. I mean, I can look up the process list on her computer and -nothing- out of the ordinary. Plus, she's the only one that uses her computer.

    Anyhow, she calls GM, they can see the problem too, and tell her to talk to tech support. What does tech support say? Check video and sound drivers, and make sure the comptuer isn't overclocked, and don't run 3rd party software.

    Okay, check, check, check, and check. Newest drivers. Not overclocked, and no 3rd party software. Absolutly nothing. Tech support says if its not one of those things, then there is nothing wrong.

    So we decide to see if its just her computer, or her account. I log my mule in and sure enough, I'm able to cross windurst on a level 1 character like a chocobo on meth. She logs in on my computer, and her character is fine.

    She calls a GM and [GM]Luminious answers. He says he's putting on her on report for speed hacking. So she asks, "what do I do if it happens again" and [GM]Luminious doesn't answer.

    So she calls -another- GM and asks the same question, and [GM]Overnyau says "Regretably, if you call another GM it will be his descion at that point whether or not to take action against your account even if you're unaware of the cause of the problem."

    Meanwhile I'm here, looking at her computer and there is absolutly -nothing- at all that I can find. No overclocking, no hacks, no third party programs of any kind, updated drivers, windows update, etc., etc.

    So talking to [GM]Overnyau (a really cool guy) he says that he can't talk about the tools GMs use to detect 3rd party programs. So I tell my girlfriend to ask if, without revealing those tools, could he check for her. And he said yes, he would be willing to do so given that she -doesn't- want a hack of any kind.

    He's checking her out now, watching her run around her mog house for him, then asked her if he could mover her to Jail to check some stuff out. Mordian Gaol isn't such a bad place if you get a GM on your side.

    A few laps around Mordian Gaol and... odly enough... The problem has disappeared. [GM]Overnyau can't find anything though he did (it looked like anyways) have her run some laps while he paced her and possible played with her character some (she appeared to speed up and slow down several times).

    My question is WTF?!? Has anyone heard of anything like this before?

    UPDATE: So, now that GM has seen nothing happen, its started doing it again. My girlfriend logged on, was playing fine, and she started running fast. Sure enough a foot race through Rolenberry shows her passing people left and right. So she is going to mule off all her borrowed and expensive gil just in case and try calling a GM again.

    Talked to [GM]Silvervila this time, and she/he was also very nice and helpful. Though she did say if a file check and reinstall didn't fixed it, that Tech Support is next on the list of people to talk to. Again.
    Last edited by sevenpointflaw; 04-26-2006, 07:01 PM. Reason: Updated Information

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    Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

    Well my best guess would be maybe be how the system is prioritizing the program? Every try forcing the programs priority to a lower setting to see if that corrects it, err that is if you know how to do that. If not then don't bother to much programming to explain.

    Outside of that what about the video cards graphic accelerator settings, try setting them lower (May not be an overclocking, just the graphic card is doing too good).


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    • #3
      Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

      For some reason, this reminds me of the whole computer clock thing, where adjusting it can cause you to run fast... But I hope you two get this sorted out asap, for the sake of your accounts!


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      • #4
        Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

        Originally posted by Xaoko
        For some reason, this reminds me of the whole computer clock thing, where adjusting it can cause you to run fast... But I hope you two get this sorted out asap, for the sake of your accounts!
        yes, that supposedly still occurs if you overclock the cpu. That's when it happened before and reason the tech support told him to check for that.


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        • #5
          Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

          updated the OP with what [GM]Overnyau said

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          • #6
            Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

            Overclocking can cause that? :O

            Anyway, glad to see the problem (temporarily) resolved itself. Hope it doesn't happen again, and if it does, no accounts get banned!


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            • #7
              Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

              Originally posted by sevenpointflaw
              updated the OP with what [GM]Overnyau said
              Hmm, that is intresting. Sounds like there is more involved with movement speeds that the server also regulates that I was unaware of. Makes sense though to keep fuzzy logic program working right it does need to communicate and what speed the model is moving at.

              Maybe a side effect from someone else that is hacking splashed over? I don't know that sounds very odd.


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              • #8
                Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

                Originally posted by Macht
                Hmm, that is intresting. Sounds like there is more involved with movement speeds that the server also regulates that I was unaware of. Makes sense though to keep fuzzy logic program working right it does need to communicate and what speed the model is moving at.

                Maybe a side effect from someone else that is hacking splashed over? I don't know that sounds very odd.
                I don't think "splash over" is possible; obviously speed is controlled locally and monitored server side; so someone hacking would be hacking thier memmory, not yours (which they don't have access to).

                Still, the whole situation makes me wonder just how much (or how little) GMs actually have tool wise. I mean, he said he had tools to test her speed... but you know how he mainly tested it? Sticking her on /follow and seeing if she got ahead...

                Makes me wonder...

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                • #9
                  Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

                  Originally posted by sevenpointflaw
                  I don't think "splash over" is possible; obviously speed is controlled locally and monitored server side; so someone hacking would be hacking thier memmory, not yours (which they don't have access to).

                  Still, the whole situation makes me wonder just how much (or how little) GMs actually have tool wise. I mean, he said he had tools to test her speed... but you know how he mainly tested it? Sticking her on /follow and seeing if she got ahead...

                  Makes me wonder...
                  Actually with the packets hackers have been able to at will change their job anywere, and even move other players. This is due to altering the packet they get and sending it back to the server. That's why I suggested a splash over, maybe a hacker was doing a speed hack and somehow the server registered it to that system.

                  Thing how it kept effect after a reboot though I don't understand, something very wierd though...


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                  • #10
                    Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

                    Weird doesn't begin to describe it. @.@ I'm have to admit though that I am a little disheartened by the fact that there is no clear policy with regards to whether or not someone gets reported. Overnyau pretty much said its left up to individual discretion of the GMs. I guess its all the more reason to not mouth of to GMs, I guess. Still, the fact that my GF was reported for -trying- to work with the GMs to figure out whats wrong... that's just kind of messed up IMHO.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

                      Originally posted by sevenpointflaw
                      Weird doesn't begin to describe it. @.@ I'm have to admit though that I am a little disheartened by the fact that there is no clear policy with regards to whether or not someone gets reported. Overnyau pretty much said its left up to individual discretion of the GMs. I guess its all the more reason to not mouth of to GMs, I guess. Still, the fact that my GF was reported for -trying- to work with the GMs to figure out whats wrong... that's just kind of messed up IMHO.
                      No less messed up then what situations you can get into with law enforcement. You should see the crap I have to be careful about since I registered myself as a Martial Artist to them.

                      To put it simply, if the cop feels I'm a threat to him he has legal right to draw his weapon and shoot me. My registry as a Martial Artist gives him freaking legal right to shoot me even though I'm unarmed, that is so freaking messed up.

                      Probably need to explain it a little better, now that it has registered that I'm a Martial Artist. If he sees my foot move and thinks I'm going into a fighting stance he can shoot, if I move a hand funny he can shoot. He can even shoot if I get on the ground and put my hands behind my head.

                      Only way I'm safe is if my feet and hands area TIGHTLY bound.


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                      • #12
                        Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

                        good thing you call GM before hand... i can see this gets really ugly if the GM calls on your first.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

                          Originally posted by Jei
                          good thing you call GM before hand... i can see this gets really ugly if the GM calls on your first.
                          May not help:
                          Originally posted by sevenpointflaw
                          She calls a GM and [GM]Luminious answers. He says he's putting on her on report for speed hacking. So she asks, "what do I do if it happens again" and [GM]Luminious doesn't answer.
                          It sucks supremely that this part of the program is so fragile it can break without you even doing anything, and it sucks even more that a GM can and will flag you as a hacker because of it.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

                            Originally posted by Macht
                            No less messed up then what situations you can get into with law enforcement. You should see the crap I have to be careful about since I registered myself as a Martial Artist to them.

                            To put it simply, if the cop feels I'm a threat to him he has legal right to draw his weapon and shoot me. My registry as a Martial Artist gives him freaking legal right to shoot me even though I'm unarmed, that is so freaking messed up.

                            Probably need to explain it a little better, now that it has registered that I'm a Martial Artist. If he sees my foot move and thinks I'm going into a fighting stance he can shoot, if I move a hand funny he can shoot. He can even shoot if I get on the ground and put my hands behind my head.

                            Only way I'm safe is if my feet and hands area TIGHTLY bound.
                            Lol, so could you be arrested for carrying concealed weapons if you put your hands in your pockets?

                            Yeah, thats pretty much b.s. that he is putting a report on her account when she went to him with the problem.
                            I think TGM said she's had the same problem with either her or her son's computer.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Hackless Speed Hack Bug

                              You might try underclocking the computer. If she's running FFXI fine and dandy at this point while the speed bug is occuring, underlocking shouldn't have a very noticable effect.

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