A noble, but vain, sacrifice

[Mog]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

actually, you might have been able to DS+curaga to pull hate off everyone. Then Escape (just hope you don't get interrupted).

don't really think there's any point to curaga, granted it heals the party members and I take all the hate, but once that happens, their amount of health is irrelevant anyways.

It's a crap shoot, really. Since I've never been to Gusgen mines, I didn't have an understanding of how tough the mobs were. I guess I should test out my strength in a certain area before I go all out, eh?

[Ziero]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

I remember helping a friend hunt RSE in gusgen one time when a 30 something whm asked us if we could help with the tele quest as she didn't know where to go. Seeing as I knew the way I volunteered and my friend, a mid 60 rng, stayed by the gates so I could get out easily. The whole trip the Whm kept trying to overwrite sneak with a new sneak and would cast invisble and then sneak again causing her to need to recast invis. Though for the most part this wasn't a problem, there were a few times she aggroed some lower lvl skeles. But as a lvl 50 thf/war with H2H lvled they weren't really a problem.

It was when we got down to the ??? that things went bad. Her sneak dropped and three flies aggroed, I pull em off her and she starts casting sneak...aggroing the bomb right behind her. She dies quickly and now I'm left fightin three flies and a bomb. I had to use every trick I had, sleep bolts, bloodies, 2 hour the works but I eventually took out the flies. then with the bomb I ran away a bit and used hide so it dissappeared. I think the fight ended with me with less then 50 hp and poisoned and the whm dead on the ground. Luckily I always keep antidotes with me, and she happened to check the ??? before dying so everything turned out ok.

But the moral of the story is, people should learn how to avoid aggro by the time they're 30+ ._.

[neighbortaru]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

which skeletons were they? the highest ones there are 36-37. the others might have been able to take a couple of hits and give you enough time to cast Escape.

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But the moral of the story is, people should learn how to avoid aggro by the time they're 30+

oh most definately!

[Taskmage]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

Pretty sure flies aggro by sight, so there's your problem there.

I'm still going with ES+Sleepga. The toughest mobs in Gusgen are 20 levels below you, so unless bones have a NM-like immunity to sleep, you should've been able to land it. I'll try it out the next time I log in, but I'm pretty sure they don't. If moldy marshmallow ghosts can be slept, I dunno why skeletons couldn't.

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Hmm, just looked it up on ffxicyclopedia and it says Skeletons and Shadows are sleep immune too. Still gonna check it out nonetheless.

[Rones]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

Wrong. The only reason they lived awhile after I died was becasuse I gained the hate of every mob in the area.

After you died...they would have been in exactly the same condition they were before you pulled hate unless someone was spamming cures, which would have been further reason to go for the escape. Firaga 2 has a cast time of 5.25 seconds. Escape is 15 seconds. You said everyone took a different mob, so the dmg was getting spread pretty well. I've been in gusgen at that lvl, and they aren't going to one shot someone. Surviving at least 10 seconds more isn't that hard against lvl ~30 mobs. Even if a couple died, it would have been better than the full wipe.

Pretty sure flies aggro by sight, so there's your problem there.

Nope, they are sound. Everything in Gusgen is sound except the bombs. Check here.

[Mog]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

Good idea task. next time I log, I'm gonna head to gusgen and check out you theory.

After you died...they would have been in exactly the same condition they were before you pulled hate unless someone was spamming cures, which would have been further reason to go for the escape. Firaga 2 has a cast time of 5.25 seconds. Escape is 15 seconds. You said everyone took a different mob, so the dmg was getting spread pretty well. I've been in gusgen at that lvl, and they aren't going to one shot someone. Surviving at least 10 seconds more isn't that hard against lvl ~30 mobs. Even if a couple died, it would have been better than the full wipe.

Yeah, you have a good point. If they survived long enough after I died, it would be common sense to Escape us out of there, before the shit really starts to hit the fan.

Call it hesitation. We were pretty far into the mines and something in me just didn't wanna give up on the party.

[Taskmage]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

Meh, understood. When shit hits the fan people don't necessarily make the best decisions.

Rones and TheMidg win. Flies are sound, and the guy who solos Vrtra knows what he's talking about. Level 59 rdm, 213+15 enfeebling skill, 86 int, Dark Staff. Spent 10 minutes casting Sleep and Sleep II on a level 13 Skeleton Sorcerer in Konschtat and didn't land a one. Not even the two tries with ES.

Interesting that they aren't immune to dark-based magic or sleep, but they are immune to dark-based sleep. /shrug

[Mog]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

Meh, understood. When shit hits the fan people don't necessarily make the best decisions.

Rones and TheMidg win. Flies are sound, and the guy who solos Vrtra knows what he's talking about. Level 59 rdm, 213+15 enfeebling skill, 86 int, Dark Staff. Spent 10 minutes casting Sleep and Sleep II on a level 13 Skeleton Sorcerer in Konschtat and didn't land a one. Not even the two tries with ES.

Interesting that they aren't immune to dark-based magic or sleep, but they are immune to dark-based sleep. /shrug

So if what you're saying is true, it's impossible to land a sleep on any skeleton, whether it be bones or Mages, regardless of level and skill?

[Taskmage]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

Black mage sleep, yes. Midg says Lullaby works, though.

[Jei]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

from the name lalabi and it's light elemental base, I think lalabi tries to give you a happy-willingly sleep. Which is why the undead likes it o.O
sleep is an evil power forcing you to sleep against your own will.

[Taskmage]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

from the name lalabi and it's light elemental base, I think lalabi tries to give you a happy-willingly sleep. Which is why the undead likes it o.O

Based on that you'd expect Charm to work. I dunno, I just don't see this:

Skeleton: “Flesh consumed by immortal hunger, bones given life by sheer force of anger ... must kiiillll”
Bard: “Rock-a-bye, little bone; put your wee head to re-est ...”
Skeleton: “Strangely complacent now ... must stand here idly while imagining now-absent eyelids shut”
^^

Not saying Lullaby won't work. It's light-based so it would make some sense, but the reasoning is humorous.

[Rones]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

Lullaby definitly works. Doesn't make since when thinking realitiscally, but it makes about as much since as skeletons walking around.

[Omni]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

yes. to confirm and clear up any rumors...

sleep (black magic spell) does not work on bones.
lullaby (brd song) works on bones.

[bikkebakke]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

/laugh Arcadia9

[Aeni]

Re: A noble, but vain, sacrifice

yes. to confirm and clear up any rumors...

sleep (black magic spell) does not work on bones.
lullaby (brd song) works on bones.

I don't think it has much to do with elemental properties as it has to do with the effect of the song itself.

HORDE LULLABY suggests one thing: sleep that works on mobs. Period.

Add BRD's 2HR to this and maybe you can get even HNMs to sleep (Anyone ever tested this on Vrtra? )


Sorry couldn't resist ...

Music soothes the savage beast.