Dex-Accuracy Relationship?

[nanatsu]

Okay last night I was in a party as mnk with this galka drk. We got into a discussion about gear and I mentioned something about the 2 Dex = 1 Accuracy relationship. He told me that wasn't true and that actually 1 Dex = .92 Accuracy. He said it was said by some developers at the fan festival. Or maybe he didn't. But he did say that a developer mentioned it. I've done some looking around but I can't find anything about that. Is what he's saying true? Keep in mind that this was the most accurate drk I have seen so far. I had a total of +11 accuracy from food and equipment on, and he claimed to have about +15 Dex, though I did not check him. But he was able to keep up with me in TP. He also ate sushi.

[neighbortaru]

Re: Dex-Accuracy Relationship?

i don't think any dev has given out the exact relationship/formula for DEX & Acc. it certainly wasn't said at the fan festival.

could just be his gear and the sushi. though if he went all DEX+ instead of ACC+ that would certainly be interesting.

[Siber]

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2Dex = 1 Accuracy to a point, and then I believe I saw information somewhere say that after awhile, 2Dex = .9 Accuracy. I'm not 100% positive about this last one or what point it may happen, but the first relationship does hold.

[nanatsu]

Re: Dex-Accuracy Relationship?

i don't think any dev has given out the exact relationship/formula for DEX & Acc. it certainly wasn't said at the fan festival.

could just be his gear and the sushi. though if he went all DEX+ instead of ACC+ that would certainly be interesting.

Well this was at level 37. If sushi % affects only base dex he couldn't have been getting more than 3 extra accuracy from it. It's possible the dex could have pushed him higher, I guess. But I don't think he had any accuracy gear on. Someone in my party checked him and made a face because they thought his gear was crap. I just wanted to check it out to make sure, because I was always under the assumption that it was better to raise accuracy directly adn that sushi wasn't very good until mid 40s-50s. That's why I always try to get people to try rice dumplings.

[Hearshot]

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I just wanted to check it out to make sure, because I was always under the assumption that it was better to raise accuracy directly adn that sushi wasn't very good until mid 40s-50s. That's why I always try to get people to try rice dumplings.

Thats correct, stick with that. Rice Dumplings ftw

[Smasholays]

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I read that Dex generally does more for CRIT rate than it will for ACC. But that was so long ago, I don't remember where I read it.

I know the developers said at one point that accuracy gear was better than dex to help boost accuracy though.

[Hearshot]

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I read that Dex generally does more for CRIT rate than it will for ACC. But that was so long ago, I don't remember where I read it.

I know the developers said at one point that accuracy gear was better than dex to help boost accuracy though.

right, and i've seen people ****speculate**** that it would be something like 7dex to 1 acc... DO NOT TAKE THAT AS FACT, just something someone conjured up. It is not 2:1 like other stats, thats for certain, though.

Criticals come in more handy later on with multihit WSs and merits on VT mobs, imo.... and THF lol

[Ziero]

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Rice dumplings and acc gear are better, especially at that lvl. No dev has ever given a clear definition of teh dex-acc relationship, ever.

As for his acc, I've lvled four direct combat melee jobs past 37. At those lvls, unless you over hunt, there are NO acc problems. My first job past 40 had *no* acc gear and never suffered from any noticable acc problems. Even when I had to use a severly under lvled weapon for a pt once, my acc was enough to open a SC every fight.

Sushi is a placebo effect at those lvls and only works against those who use it. Acc has a limit, no matter how much gear you have and how little eva a mob has, you will never have 100% acc. Even if you were a lvl 75 with full acc/dex gear and fully capped and merited A+ ranked weapon, you can and WILL miss those lvl 0 bees in the starting zones on occasion. Sushi might help reach this limit, but before 50 the limit is already naturally low so increasing your acc isn't that uselful. Using meat to up your Att, which especially for Drks, would show a much bigger increase in dmg then sushi would do to increase acc.

Though there is a direct relationship between Dex and Acc, the 2dex=1acc concept seems to be the most viable concept. But because so few things have enough dex to make the solely worth using over other pieces of gear, and directly increasing Acc shows better results then directly increasing Dex, acc gear is considered superior.

Though recent ideas have began to surface saying that the acc/dex relationship is similar to the vit/def and str/att ones in that if you only increase one and not the other you will only see limited results, but that is still under heavy debate.

In conlusion, Rice Dumplings kick ass (b' ')b

[DakAttack]

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Accuracy is on a slope, and I'm having trouble remembering the right terminology at the moment, but the more Accuracy you add the less effect it has. You're slowly nearing a point on a graph that you won't ever actually reach. Adding Dex raises the entire slope ever so slightly creating a slight improvement in Accuracy. At a certain point it would be more efficient to add Dex than Acc.

Although, according to the Alla Drg forum Dex is a stat that does absolutely nothing and should be avoided altogether, and unless you stack on all the Acc equipment in the game and eat Mithkabobs you're gimp.

[Siber]

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Accuracy is on a slope, and I'm having trouble remembering the right terminology at the moment, but the more Accuracy you add the less effect it has. You're slowly nearing a point on a graph that you won't ever actually reach.

Diminishing returns for the first sentence. Limit for the last.

[Aeni]

Re: Dex-Accuracy Relationship?

Accuracy is on a slope, and I'm having trouble remembering the right terminology at the moment, but the more Accuracy you add the less effect it has. You're slowly nearing a point on a graph that you won't ever actually reach. Adding Dex raises the entire slope ever so slightly creating a slight improvement in Accuracy. At a certain point it would be more efficient to add Dex than Acc.

Although, according to the Alla Drg forum Dex is a stat that does absolutely nothing and should be avoided altogether, and unless you stack on all the Acc equipment in the game and eat Mithkabobs you're gimp.

Yepp, this is the same with Strength-Attack and Defense-Vitality. However, there's no proof that 2 Dex = 1 accuracy or that 2 Dex = 0.9 accuracy. No one knows what it is. In an official statement, however, SE did acknowledge that it is better to raise a stat directly, but it is also common knowledge that the Law of Diminishing Returns will come back to kick your ass if you're not careful of what you're doing.

[Siber]

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However, there's no proof that 2 Dex = 1 accuracy or that 2 Dex = 0.9 accuracy. No one knows what it is.

Yes there is. Don't know where the data is, but all you have to do is find the point where X accuracy changes the Evasion message on a checked mob from nothing to "has low evasion." Add Dexterity until you get to the same point, and then you have your ratio. Get in the game and do a barrel roll.

[Caspian]

Re: Dex-Accuracy Relationship?

Yes there is. Don't know where the data is, but all you have to do is find the point where X accuracy changes the Evasion message on a checked mob from nothing to "has low evasion." Add Dexterity until you get to the same point, and then you have your ratio. Get in the game and do a barrel roll.

I was gonna say this while reading this thread, glad someone beat me to it. This is how Apple Pie found the numbers for rng's accuracy up traits. In this case you'd have to pick a mob that you could get a "low evasion" check on with little added accuracy, since for the most part adding dex can be a pain (especially if 2 dex = 1 acc holds true). The diminishing returns part is much harder to prove, and even if you did thousands of fights against the same mob at the same level with the two different sets of gear, unless there was a huge variance you'd never see the difference or be able to convince anyone it existed.

To nanatsu, I'm thinking the .92 accuracy came from a dev interview years ago where it was supposedly said that one skill point in any weapon was 1 attack and .92 accuracy. I believe those were the words used.

[Aeni]

Re: Dex-Accuracy Relationship?

I was gonna say this while reading this thread, glad someone beat me to it. This is how Apple Pie found the numbers for rng's accuracy up traits. In this case you'd have to pick a mob that you could get a "low evasion" check on with little added accuracy, since for the most part adding dex can be a pain (especially if 2 dex = 1 acc holds true). The diminishing returns part is much harder to prove, and even if you did thousands of fights against the same mob at the same level with the two different sets of gear, unless there was a huge variance you'd never see the difference or be able to convince anyone it existed.

To nanatsu, I'm thinking the .92 accuracy came from a dev interview years ago where it was supposedly said that one skill point in any weapon was 1 attack and .92 accuracy. I believe those were the words used.

It's actually speculatory. Whether or not the derived values just coincided with each other (circumstantial) or if something else is coming into play here (You never know if certain weapons or armor have hidden traits) is anyone's guess. AFAIK, SE never officially documented or made mention and so I stand by what I said. In an official capacity, it was never proven.

[Rones]

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It's actually speculatory. Whether or not the derived values just coincided with each other (circumstantial) or if something else is coming into play here (You never know if certain weapons or armor have hidden traits) is anyone's guess. AFAIK, SE never officially documented or made mention and so I stand by what I said. In an official capacity, it was never proven.

And it also isn't proven that cures will always heal and nukes will always dmg. There could be hidden effects that reverse it....even though no one has to date found any. That is how sound that argument is you just made. I've tested and found madrigal +accu amounts using this technique before. It is highly reliable when you aren't a conspiracy freak worrying your lizard armor has hidden effects. The same test can be done for dex to provide a rstatic amount of +accu per dex ratio, or it can be done to prove that the accu amount given changes on a curve. Either way, the test can work to find a solution.

SE never officially documented or made mention of Icemage's data on stoneskin amounts, but it can still be considered reliable.