GM Got Nasty ; ;

[Jei]

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dunno. to my feeling, when a company perform some poor service I don't think speaking it up in public is a wrong thing to do. Like City Bank, hearing bad things about it here and there.

[Jarre]

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http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/235...ed1copy4mt.jpg



I have to say this does not look photoshoped, I have looked at it for a while and can find nothing, anyone else want to look at this :p

Yup that is definately photoshopped, if you look closely the bottom of the brackets overlap the grey line at the bottom of the text window, it looks like its tried to be scrubbed out but not quite when i view it on my mates 32" LCD, its quite clear to see itsbeen typed and added.

[Omni]

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i think its basically based on the way this was originally posted. lots of editing as tgm pointed out, lots of fishy 'facts'. the temp chat log for one, is a txt file. while in no way is a secure file. as all you may know, you can open it up with notepad and edit it however you like and it looks just the same. its just text. second, nothing is really in context. its just bits and pieces put together. im not saying theres no weight to anything he has said but as jei pointed out also, there isnt really any reason for anyone to believe him either.

third, knowing how many threads go up about gms only love jp, gms hate na, gms dont do shit, gms are robots, gms are cactii, gms hate you, etc etc so and so forth, how many of them are really true? do we even know? ive read plenty of 'gm suck' threads and many of them are so pointless. you have 1 player, most likely did something that the reader doesnt know about, then when you throw them into jail, they magically lose 20 years of maturity and act like asses. egg the gm on, play the whole he said she said game and you see the gm losing patience and showing their irritiabilty. then THOSE are the SS we see. omgosh look at the gm! hes picking on the poor little player. i'm not sure if any of you have to deal with customers/clients in any way shape or form, but dealing with someone that thinks YOU owe them the world+1 just for the mere fact they pay some measely $15-18 a month is frustrating and gets old very fast. example: ever talk to your IT guy at work? ever wonder why most of them hate talking to you? its really not because theyre assholes, its because they have to deal with inconsiderate ingrates at work that complain and blame them about everything. I'm sure lots of them gms feel this way after getting a few bad calls a night. it wears them down. so dont be so quick to stone V a gm to death just because he gives you some attitude or lays it down for you. its their job.

fourth, as far as having a reason to lie as taskmage points out. does anyone need a reason to lie? isnt boredom more than enough? do you read half the reason why people do stupid things? people dont need reasons to fabricate things. i dont think thats even a valid point of defense given the world as it is today. i always tell my friends, never underestimate someone else's stupidity (not directing it at the op, just saying generally). it'll get you every time.

[TheGrandMom]

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i think its basically based on the way this was originally posted. lots of editing as tgm pointed out, lots of fishy 'facts'. the temp chat log for one, is a txt file. while in no way is a secure file. as all you may know, you can open it up with notepad and edit it however you like and it looks just the same. its just text. second, nothing is really in context. its just bits and pieces put together. im not saying theres no weight to anything he has said but as jei pointed out also, there isnt really any reason for anyone to believe him either.

third, knowing how many threads go up about gms only love jp, gms hate na, gms dont do shit, gms are robots, gms are cactii, gms hate you, etc etc so and so forth, how many of them are really true? do we even know? ive read plenty of 'gm suck' threads and many of them are so pointless. you have 1 player, most likely did something that the reader doesnt know about, then when you throw them into jail, they magically lose 20 years of maturity and act like asses. egg the gm on, play the whole he said she said game and you see the gm losing patience and showing their irritiabilty. then THOSE are the SS we see. omgosh look at the gm! hes picking on the poor little player. i'm not sure if any of you have to deal with customers/clients in any way shape or form, but dealing with someone that thinks YOU owe them the world+1 just for the mere fact they pay some measely $15-18 a month is frustrating and gets old very fast. example: ever talk to your IT guy at work? ever wonder why most of them hate talking to you? its really not because theyre assholes, its because they have to deal with inconsiderate ingrates at work that complain and blame them about everything. I'm sure lots of them gms feel this way after getting a few bad calls a night. it wears them down. so dont be so quick to stone V a gm to death just because he gives you some attitude or lays it down for you. its their job.

fourth, as far as having a reason to lie as taskmage points out. does anyone need a reason to lie? isnt boredom more than enough? do you read half the reason why people do stupid things? people dont need reasons to fabricate things. i dont think thats even a valid point of defense given the world as it is today. i always tell my friends, never underestimate someone else's stupidity (not directing it at the op, just saying generally). it'll get you every time.

Couldn't have said it better. /bow

To the OP, next time post after you've taken care of the issue and have the proof to prove it. Simple fact, people lie........and they lie a lot, so don't automatically expect everyone to think that your word is gold. Why should we?

[Intensity]

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third, knowing how many threads go up about gms only love jp, gms hate na, gms dont do shit, gms are robots, gms are cactii, gms hate you, etc etc so and so forth.

Okay, which one of you bastards let the cat outta the bag?

[Omni]

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damn, someone noticed. i thought i slipped that one past everyone. sorry, the truth is out.

[Blood Red Poet]

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SE doesn't own these GMs. These GMs are ran by SOE, the people behind Everquest. GM =/= SE. Don't blame them again.

[KamuroIshigami]

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Something suppositely insightful:

Whether the GM really did what they do or the player is lying, only the upper management of a GM Team will know. Remember that behind every GM character, there sits a human, just like the player character. Both sides are capable of lying. However, which has more incentive to lie always fall on the player's side because the player stands to lose their account, while a GM stands to lose their job. So because of this difference, I tend to believe a GM more.

However, given the mountain of screenshots, I am led to believe the player just a tad more as the information adds up and that I understand there are cases in which there are GM misbehavior. If given the screenshots provided, the GM did abuse their power, it would likely result in immediate termination without a second chance. While I tend not to believe the screenshot in this thread where the GM said that "he owns the game" is true (I tend to disbelieve that as I would never imagine anyone working on a GM Team to have done it to that level), the apology tend to imply some wrong-doing and to give credit to the story, which the wording of the apology tend to present that the screenshot (of the apology) is geniune.


However, I would like to offer a word of caution, not just as an Administrator of this site or as someone with an understanding of GM operations, but as a fellow player: Take all that is said on the boards with a grain of salt. Because a player doesn't see everything that happened, a GM on the other hand can see both what the player has said and what the GM has done. I have seen situations were players think the GM did one thing, while the GM actually did something totally different that LOOKED like they did what the players think they did.


Furthermore, please keep in mind that a rotten apple is not representative of the whole batch. So I beg of you all to keep in mind that this situation is the result of one GM and does not apply to the GM Team as a whole.

Also, in regards to the Windower program, people keep forgetting that the point of the rule is to prevent others from using programs that take advantage of the game to make game play unfair. People must remember the SPIRIT of the rule as to WHY it was there. This is why the Windower is less of an issue for the FFXI GMs than some might think. But again, if you are doing something bad and they are forced to act, they might pull the rule on you.

Remember, Al Capone wasn't caught for murder or his mobster activites, he was imprisoned for TAX EVASION! So play nice, and they will look the other way.

[bikkebakke]

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Remember, Al Capone wasn't caught for murder or his mobster activites, he was imprisoned for TAX EVASION! So play nice, and they will look the other way.

LOL, good point. I have to agree with your entire post... kinda makes me think you might be a gm LOL, jk

[Taskmage]

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If anything, it seems you're almost ready to die defending the OP, which I can see your emotions are running high at this point. If that was the goal and intent of the OP, I see that in your case, he has done successfully well.

No, no. You're maligning my position in the exact opposite light I cast yours in. I'm certainly not going to deny there are suspicious things about the story and the way it unfolded. Honestly, I believe there are some details he is withholding for whatever reason. But it seems to me that you're not giving the guy a fair shake at all and just assuming he has some malicious intent.

At any rate, the whole affair is over and done with now, and there's no real way to prove the case either way considering the GMs will not speak on the matter out of policy and any text or screenshots provided could just as easily be fabricated. I'm just going to assume that in the end everyone got what they desrved, becuase that is what sits well with me and there's no way to prove me wrong. ;p

[Intensity]

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For some reason, against all laws of nature stating otherwise, everyone in the Thread seemed not to notice the "Theme" set by the OP. Don't you all know discussions aren't allowed to evolve into something other than what it originally started as?!?!?! Anarchists!!!

EDIT: Sorry, I'm in a mood today.

[Omniblast]

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Remember, Al Capone wasn't caught for murder or his mobster activites, he was imprisoned for TAX EVASION! So play nice, and they will look the other way.

LOL, good point. I have to agree with your entire post... kinda makes me think you might be a gm LOL, jk

He's not a GM per say... he does work for a MMORPG company though... :p

[Taskmage]

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all know discussions aren't allowed to evolve into something other than what it originally started as

This conflicts with the first law of message board thermodynamics, that is all threads inevitably degrade into entropy.

[Omniblast]

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This conflicts with the first law of message board thermodynamics, that is all threads inevitably degrade into entropy.

Oh Oh Oh, can I envoke Godwin's law? Wait... no one's made a analogy or comparison with GM's and Hitler & the Nazi party...yet...

[Intensity]

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So, a GM, a Nazi, and Hitlers Ghost walk into a bar....