GM Got Nasty ; ;

[Twofistedegg]

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For all those that thought I was lying,

Please apologize below ^.^

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[Taskmage]

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Oops! Your images for those links are no longer there.

[Twofistedegg]

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[Taskmage]

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Excellent. ^^d

[Intensity]

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I guess it's all speculation from this point. When it comes down to it, does this make me hate GM's anymore than I do now? No. Why you may ask? GM's have proven to me personally, all speculation and attention-whoring aside, that they are always unable to solve any problem I've ever contacted them on. This includes but is not excluded to: Possible botting competition at NM camp's, previous MPK attempts after party altercations, Harassment, AH not delivering Gil (Happened to 3 different people I know, 2 of which live in the same house as me), etc. Never have I personally called a GM or have one of my friends call a GM and have I seen anything actually resolved in those situations. So, more GM bad-mouthing isn't going to make me feel they're any more useless than they are now.

As to whether I believe the OP's story. It could be true. Or it could not. It sure doesn't help my already tainted opinion of SE's force in our world.

[Taskmage]

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For some reason your image links from the alla thread worked for me. Scaled down the filesize and attached them here.

[Twofistedegg]

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I think this whole topic is a little above your head.

this thread was never to be a GM hating thread. It's more of a thread to let users know that harassment in any form from a GM is unacceptable and there are ways to deal with it.

Harassment should never be tolerated by any player in the game and thus if it does come to a point where a player is being harassed there are routes and measures to ensure your in game enjoyment.

No where did I personally encourage GM hating. I have found in all areas of life there are people who spoil the bunch in situations. Look for the good people in all things, the good always out number the bad.

This specific GM listed above was a BAD GM... he got caught. Basically I look at it like a serial offender. He has probably 'man handled' several users in his career and no one did anything about it.

Well I did.. from the post that Jai listed above, ( thank you again )

I found specific people to contact to handle the situation.

I guess it's all speculation from this point. When it comes down to it, does this make me hate GM's anymore than I do now? No. Why you may ask? GM's have proven to me personally, all speculation and attention-whoring aside, that they are always unable to solve any problem I've ever contacted them on. This includes but is not excluded to: Possible botting competition at NM camp's, previous MPK attempts after party altercations, Harassment, AH not delivering Gil (Happened to 3 different people I know, 2 of which live in the same house as me), etc. Never have I personally called a GM or have one of my friends call a GM and have I seen anything actually resolved in those situations. So, more GM bad-mouthing isn't going to make me feel they're any more useless than they are now.

[Intensity]

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Above my head? Right. I'm unsure where anywhere in my post I claimed this was a thread to create GM hate. I do think I made comments towards my personal feelings of GM's. As for your condescending attitude, I feel it was uncalled for but w/e. I expect that from internet message boards.

If you'll actually READ my post, you'll see I clearly outline particular reasons why I've come to feel this way, above and beyond your own experience with them. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Jei]

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screenshots with Souljourn looks real to me. but you can't get upset with ppl not believing you. It's just the way it is.

How irony when you think about it. The GM suspended you saying you use 3rd party programs.
But in order to prove yourself to the internet you HAVE to use 3rd party programs like windower to take screenshots.

[Medalink]

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Talking to a GM while useing Windower.... Priceless ^^

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[Macht]

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screenshots with Souljourn looks real to me. but you can't get upset with ppl not believing you. It's just the way it is.

How irony when you think about it. The GM suspended you saying you use 3rd party programs.
But in order to prove yourself to the internet you HAVE to use 3rd party programs like windower to take screenshots.

Lol, yeah that is quite an irony. Proving his innocence though is a bit tough I think, or even proving that he is in the wrong. It looks like a bad mix of a gun-ho GM, a technically cheating Player (Windower), and potential bad read on his system with the checks that POL has to indentify potential cheats. The only cheat though that it seems SE is most worried about is speedhacks, why? beats the heck out of me.

To break it down on how hard it makes to tell validity of GM being right or the Player here's a quick breakdown:

• Player does use Windower (Technically they are cheating) and if it is possible for SE to identify such a thing, meaning that they coded for it because the potential is there it's only a matter of if they did or not.
• Player did change something to their PC (Add or Removed device) and likely had done something wrong in doing so that the could give a false reading (Such as what one poster on alla stated, logical enough)
• Gun-ho GM, it is common with the gun-ho (power hungry) people to become almost childish in behavior when they feel they have someone that they think they can "legally attack". As the conversation progressed you can tell that the GM almost at one point had a second thought, at this point the Player was able to identify the GMs second guessing and was to far in a fury to fix the situation.

Just a nasty combination of so many potentials that who's right here is just to hard to say. As far as I see it the only potential reason that a GM would apologize like that was if you actually had enough players that believed you to call a GM in consern of false accusation. In this point the GMs childish nature worked to your benefit if that conversation is the case.

Sorry can't really stand behind you on your actions or against you, situation just has way to many potentials to it of both sides being right in their general action (Excluding the conversation that took place).

[Twofistedegg]

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This is all I can actually say.

Mr. Fonseca contacted me today and told me he reviewed this logs with the Lead GM ( which is in the above screen shot ) they were both shocked and very very sorry about how I was treated. The 1st phone conversation lasted around 15-20 mins as he wanted to make sure that I knew that not all GM's are like this and this is not customary of SE.

Basically, since I was not using any 3rd party program. He reviewed the logs ( which I posted exactly from the TEMP/ log files on Alla ) .. and told me the GM was totally in the wrong and both he and the lead GM will deal with him.

And I think that phrase as been told me to several times today in the 2 phone conversations I had with Mr. Fonseca and in the one conversation with the lead GM.

People may not believe this or may want to flame it. That's their thing.

I know what I've said and posted was right.

I posted this to show that no one should accept harassment and there are methods of handling this.

that's about all I can say..

[Taskmage]

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Just curious. Did they do anything to explain how they got a false positive on you or address anything else about what happened other than the extreme unprofessionalism on the part of Thunderan?

[TheGrandMom]

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For all those that thought I was lying,

Please apologize below ^.^

screenshots with Souljourn looks real to me. but you can't get upset with ppl not believing you. It's just the way it is.

How irony when you think about it. The GM suspended you saying you use 3rd party programs.
But in order to prove yourself to the internet you HAVE to use 3rd party programs like windower to take screenshots.

Exactly.

[Taskmage]

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I don't understand why you're trying so hard to disbelieve this person. Why is Thunderan "innocent until proven guilty" to you whereas the OP is guilty until proven innocent? They're both people, neither one more credible than the other.

Which story makes more sense to you? This story you're making up about a player who fabricated pages of chat and staged a conversation with a lead GM as a platform to turn public opinion against a GM with whom he had a personal grudge? Or the story that he is telling about a GM who got some data mixed up and became obstinant and rude towards a player who disrespected his authority?

I can't fault a healthy skepticism for anything you read on the internet, but I think your stalwart cynicism in this case is way off base.

Double Post Edited:

Also, I believe as a common courtesy, you normally do not post such things in the forum community. I think resolution with SE comes first and if all else fails, you come to see the community about it. Rather than explicitly detailing the incident, a simple question on advice and asking where to seek recourse would help much more than trying to incite the community, whether or not intentionally, and provoke emotions and drama over this whole deal.

If, for example, someone MPKed me, my first reaction would be to bitch about it in ls. Then, several seconds later after cooling off a bit, I would think to report the behavior to a GM properly. I think this is analagous. If I believed I had been wrongfully dealt with by a GM, I would want to share my story. I think it's a natural behavior for someone who has been hurt or wronged to try to get others to sympathize with their position. Possibly it would have been more civil to do as you suggested, but I don't think that failure is worth reproachful comments in red boldfaced text.