Will we See FFXI on the PS3 or be left out?

[kuu]

Re: Will we See FFXI on the PS3 or be left out?

I don't understand your point Kuu. Since you can't play SC3 in 720p (its 480) the point is moot and the 360's graphics top it. Simple as that. You can wish all you want but its not going to happen. Now if you were comparing the PS3 to the 360, then there would be a discussion.

Well if you want to put it that way, then sure... but then it's kinda like listening to your own voice in both question and answer...

The point I was putting to, is not of free ride but actual programing.

My own quote:

As for the last generation of ps2 games...look at soul calibur 3...the thing is almost xbox360 (launch) level graphics sans 720p.

Sans : prep. prep. 'without

-without 720p

So as you made a point 720p = 360 l33t, which I specifically left out???...

That's a redundant counter...

The orginal point was from Jarre was that 1st gen and last gen is ratically different, which I applied it to 360.

TGM, revise your arguement a bit, neither you or me will be the first or last people to not read before arguing.

PS:
And who is to say we can't play SC3 in 720p? PS3 might have it. Xbox360 can play Halo in 720p.

If you play the 360 on a normal tv instead of a hd-tv, it looks pretty much the same as the original xbox.

Hopefully not! I've haven't tried it yet to be honest...but 360 should be smart enough to at least downscale it to 420p...hopefully...

yea h you do have apiont. its like comparing nes to 64.

That's too many generations...

On the other hand PS2 1st gen games did kinda look like N64 games back then too

[bikkebakke]

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Hopefully not! I've haven't tried it yet to be honest...but 360 should be smart enough to at least downscale it to 420p...hopefully...

Unfortunately it does. It looks like the later xbox games.

[TheGrandMom]

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Well if you want to put it that way, then sure... but then it's kinda like listening to your own voice in both question and answer...

The point I was putting to, is not of free ride but actual programing.

My own quote:


Sans : prep. prep. 'without

-without 720p

So as you made a point 720p = 360 l33t, which I specifically left out???...

That's a redundant counter...

The orginal point was from Jarre was that 1st gen and last gen is ratically different, which I applied it to 360.

TGM, revise your arguement a bit, neither you or me will be the first or last people to not read before arguing.

PS:
And who is to say we can't play SC3 in 720p? PS3 might have it. Xbox360 can play Halo in 720p.

The original point your making isn't valid and that was my point. The 360 is HD and the PS2 is not, so saying "sans 720p" is ridiculous. The two shall never meet in quality, period. Now comparing a PS3 game in 720p to a 360 game of the same resolution would be a valid point. The PS2's graphics are not near the 360's and never will be but the PS3.......well I'm looking for it to blow the 360 out of the water. So when the first PS3 fighting game comes out, lets talk.

[kuu]

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The original point your making isn't valid and that was my point. The 360 is HD and the PS2 is not, so saying "sans 720p" is ridiculous. The two shall never meet in quality, period. Now comparing a PS3 game in 720p to a 360 game of the same resolution would be a valid point. The PS2's graphics are not near the 360's and never will be but the PS3.......well I'm looking for it to blow the 360 out of the water. So when the first PS3 fighting game comes out, lets talk.

Bikkebakke indiectly disagrees with you.

Sans-HDTV it seems for 360 = 420p = ewww.

I should go plug in my 360 to a regular TV somewhere now to see for myself @.@

Unfortunelly it's been shown the door long ago...and no composite connectors...

[Aeni]

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Bikkebakke indiectly disagrees with you.

Sans-HDTV it seems for 360 = 420p = ewww.

I should go plug in my 360 to a regular TV somewhere now to see for myself @.@

Unfortunelly it's been shown the door long ago...and no composite connectors...

Kuu ... have you even tried playing PS2 on a regular old tube and an LCD TV? Freaking image quality is miles apart! So, regular TV with XBox360 does not equal 420p. Far from it.

That means if you don't own an EDTV/HDTV, forget buying an XBox 360. It'll be a total waste of $400 to see image quality similar to PS2 ...

[Kailea]

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yeah thats if they cared about graphics and not game play....but sadly most do and I think that is stupid, orget graphics forget played out visuals.....give me a FUN game anyday

[WishMaster3K]

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Even playing PS2 on the SAME TV, but switching between SVideo and AV, you can see a mrginal improvement in quality. MGS2 for example, and exceptional game, one of the best looking games of it's generation (easily in the top 10 best looking PS2 games) looks . . . Crisp, i'll have to say. . . on my Svideo. And while it is still great on AV, it, like many other games, is noticably muddier.

So not even taking TVs into consideration, think about the connections used for the screenshots.

[Jarre]

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The original point your making isn't valid and that was my point. The 360 is HD and the PS2 is not, so saying "sans 720p" is ridiculous. The two shall never meet in quality, period. Now comparing a PS3 game in 720p to a 360 game of the same resolution would be a valid point. The PS2's graphics are not near the 360's and never will be but the PS3.......well I'm looking for it to blow the 360 out of the water. So when the first PS3 fighting game comes out, lets talk.

One of the first games would be a fighting one...... You guessed it...... Tekken 6, sony have always used this form to launch their consoles with (tekken 1 for the ps1, 4 for the ps2) ut it has been confirmed as one of the release games along with a new Gran Tourismo I beleive.

As for the graphics engine, it has been compared to as powerfull as 2x Geforce 7800GT graphics cards in SLI format powered by a Pentium extreme chip (latest model, can any one confirm what the latest December model was) this is just the graphics engine, where there will also be a hi rated processor inside as well. My friend has received the full spec sheet for the PS3, as the company he is working for are working on a game for this (don't ask me which because you know I can't disclose, not even i know) and it is very powerful. Currently he is under obligation to not enclose the full spec details (i.e. model type, chip names and clock speeds etc. etc.) untill made fully public as there has been a slight change since the E3 presentation last year.

[kuu]

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Kuu ... have you even tried playing PS2 on a regular old tube and an LCD TV? Freaking image quality is miles apart! So, regular TV with XBox360 does not equal 420p. Far from it.

That means if you don't own an EDTV/HDTV, forget buying an XBox 360. It'll be a total waste of $400 to see image quality similar to PS2 ...

Actually it's not clear cut...as the rev will surely throw more flame to the fire. Rev is going to stick with SD, and rely on programing skillz, more or less.

Some games are made for CRTs in 400i...Magna Carta for PS2 looks very bad on my LCD HDTV in many parts of the game due to its choice of shaders. DQ7 also messes up sometimes with its weird color scheme that only seems to show up in HDTV levels.

While games like Soul Calibur 3 look much better on LCD then on CRTs.

This is where the arguement has splintered.

Free ride and actual programing are while connected, are two distinct issues.

having 720p magically makes games look prettier, but that doesn't mean it's a prettier game.

I thought ffxi PC graphics engine will be a glaringly obvious point in that. There's so much untapped from what it can really do if it weren't a bad port.

This is directly related to 1st gen games and last gen games theory, where even with a spectactuar hardware boast, you're not getting a spectactuar visual boast yet.

[Animeangel77]

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WOW! how did we get on Tv topic lol

[Manatra]

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The two screenshots mean nothing, the DOA4 screenshot is taken straight from the Z-buffer of the Xbox360 (hence it being crisp and clear) whereas the PS2 screenshots can't be taken directly from the Z-buffer, but has to be taken after its been sent off to the TV (I forget the technical term). Gamespot mentioned this a few years ago when people were wondering why their Xbox screenshots were crisp, while their Gamecube and PS2 screenshots were blurry.

[TheGrandMom]

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The two screenshots mean nothing, the DOA4 screenshot is taken straight from the Z-buffer of the Xbox360 (hence it being crisp and clear) whereas the PS2 screenshots can't be taken directly from the Z-buffer, but has to be taken after its been sent off to the TV (I forget the technical term). Gamespot mentioned this a few years ago when people were wondering why their Xbox screenshots were crisp, while their Gamecube and PS2 screenshots were blurry.

/sigh

http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-...lay-Footage-1/

Actual gameplay footage on a tv at TGS. By far crisper, cleaner and smoother than the PS2.

[Kafeen]

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The two screenshots mean nothing, the DOA4 screenshot is taken straight from the Z-buffer of the Xbox360 (hence it being crisp and clear) whereas the PS2 screenshots can't be taken directly from the Z-buffer, but has to be taken after its been sent off to the TV (I forget the technical term). Gamespot mentioned this a few years ago when people were wondering why their Xbox screenshots were crisp, while their Gamecube and PS2 screenshots were blurry.

Taken from the Z Buffer? Wha????

The Z buffer is for the depth. The XBox dev tools however do let you take a screengrab of the screen buffer which I think is what you mean. Screenshots taken for PS2 and Gamecube games though shouldn't be degraded in any way. They'll either be taken using profecional video capture equipment, a little box that sits inbetween the console and the TV to intercept the image before it gets to the TV, or they'll be done in software by the developers. We usually have a button compibation enabled that will write out the screenbuffer to a file and save it to the development PC its connected to. I say shouldn't be graded, there are some some websites around that do just take the cheap option and point a camera at the TV, you can see the effect in alot of the gamespot videos.

[Manatra]

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Taken from the Z Buffer? Wha????

The Z buffer is for the depth. The XBox dev tools however do let you take a screengrab of the screen buffer which I think is what you mean. Screenshots taken for PS2 and Gamecube games though shouldn't be degraded in any way. They'll either be taken using profecional video capture equipment, a little box that sits inbetween the console and the TV to intercept the image before it gets to the TV, or they'll be done in software by the developers. We usually have a button compibation enabled that will write out the screenbuffer to a file and save it to the development PC its connected to. I say shouldn't be graded, there are some some websites around that do just take the cheap option and point a camera at the TV, you can see the effect in alot of the gamespot videos.

Gah yeah I got my technical terms mixed up. Sorry.

[kuu]

Re: Will we See FFXI on the PS3 or be left out?

Taken from the Z Buffer? Wha????

The Z buffer is for the depth. The XBox dev tools however do let you take a screengrab of the screen buffer which I think is what you mean. Screenshots taken for PS2 and Gamecube games though shouldn't be degraded in any way. They'll either be taken using profecional video capture equipment, a little box that sits inbetween the console and the TV to intercept the image before it gets to the TV, or they'll be done in software by the developers. We usually have a button compibation enabled that will write out the screenbuffer to a file and save it to the development PC its connected to. I say shouldn't be graded, there are some some websites around that do just take the cheap option and point a camera at the TV, you can see the effect in alot of the gamespot videos.

There are ways to tell if it's a screen grab with a connecting device. The thing is a buffer screen grab is still superior to GC, PS2, analog due to the fact that post process of sorts is added if you grab from the buffer, like raw files, in final conversion.

Though it should be minor in that respect, except the fact that TV/connection can actually help depending on the developers insites.

Like my previous example, games make use of the certain facts, like contrast ratio of TVs or the composite signal limitions. Notice how ps2 doing 16:9 is just normal 8:6 squeezed.

Many early 360 games on the other hand are completely blindsighted to those facts or rather just skipped that part of the development stages, making it notoriously bad with certain combinations of video equipment.

Some games relying on 720p/HDTV combo becomes unbearable to play on.

For good or bad, it's a matter of programing skills, even if you got the hardware to makei t good.

And the must buy HDTV for 360 excuse is just plain bad. Heck even Xbox 360 core gives people SD composite only. Price gouging accesories aside, that's a real sign not everyone has HD on their 360.