It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFXI

[Zaptruder]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFXI

You know realise the original article isn't even a review of the software.

In the context of where its posted, its simply information for X360 owners; the guy is telling it as it is; it's a game that (for whatever reason) doesn't attempt to improve upon what it has been for the last 2-3 years, by taking advantage of the improved X360 interface and hardware.

The guy isn't telling people the game sucks; the merits and virtues of the game have already been covered in depth ages ago, by many people.

If you don't have a means of playing FFXI outside of the Xbox 360 and you really want to play the game, you may want to keep an eye out for the new version as its release approaches.

Simply it is an article detailing what is or isn't different that you'd expect on the X360.

Moreover Macht, despite the lack of integrity from some sites, not all sites are devoid of integrity. Hell, not even all reporters/journalists on a site that is 'compromised' is devoid of integrity.
Square-Enix games aren't exactly automatically panned by IGN either:
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/666/666876p3.html

[Macht]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFX

Alright maybe i should reword how I was stating it. Say I give a review some thousands of dollar or whatever they like then they will put in good words for a product I ask them to (Hence my statement of big bucks or being someones b****). If I want them to put in good words for all my stuff I'm dishing out a hell of a lot.

Whatever though, nothing is really going to change my view of review sites or critic sites. All I ever use them for is to see bits of the game, the storyline, as well as it's play and ignore the crap they spew either way.

At best to accomidate Xbox Live I could see the game just having a straight shot were it gets you to FFXI's "Select Character", "Create Character", "Delete Character", and back to POL selections. Good or Bad the POL section is integrated into FFXI as I see it taking that section out seems like it would be more difficult then that journalist is giving credit to it for.

If you want to give the journalist a fair reason for his standing then I'd say he lacks greatly an understanding of the programming end and what would be required to remove POL all together.

[Jei]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFXI

EQ2 has the poly count i admit. I never get to see the new model but the original models were pretty bad... waste of PC power.

DQ8, RE4, FFXI, none of these games use as high poly as EQ2 I believe... but still look a ton better. Good artist can draw beautiful human figure with a few lines. While others can render their image to death and look horrible.

[Thachsanh]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFX

I don't think that FFXI graphic is any worse than WoW.
When you talk about graphic quality in a game there are multiple things need to be considered.

- Polygon count: FFXI actually has on-par or better than WoW in this aspect. If there is one thing the PS2 does very well, that's the amount of polygon it can push out. WoW has quite low polygon count especially in character model. Most armor pieces are applied textures on character model. While in FFXI when you switch the armor pieces, the models them-self were being replaced.
- New technology: per-pixel-shader in mind. WoW is better.
- Amount of textures concurrently displayed: This is the aspect that the PS2 is handling very poorly. The system has a ridiculously small amount of video memory. That is the reason why you saw texture repetition happens a lot in FFXI.
- Textures quality: Both FFXI and WoW do this well. However, I think FFXI is better in this deparment. If you take a closer look, you will be amaze by the quality and detail of FFXI texture.
- World design: Both WoW and FFXI do this very well. I kinda like the FFXI world better. Some place in the old FFXI world still look amazing (Valkum beach, Quicksand cave...). New areas are absolutely beautiful.
- Character design: This is the area where FFXI is superior. I like all of them more than any race in WoW.
- Animation: This is the area where FFXI blows WoW out of the water. Every race has different animation. Even on the same race, different gender has different animation. This including combat animation, weapon skill animation, emote... So detail, so fluid, FFXI animations are light year ahead of WoW and EQ2.
- Special effect: This is also an area where FFXI is better than WoW too. In WoW, spell effects look the same from level 1 to 60. Not in FFXI, Level 4 spells and ancient magic could give any new blm a wet dream. The skill chain special effects, the weapon skill special effects, they all look incredible.

If you have a chance, run FFXI at 1600x1200, texture resolution 1280x1280 no compression, drawing distance 10. You will be surprised by how good Vana'diel looks.

[Macht]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFX

EQ2 has the poly count i admit. I never get to see the new model but the original models were pretty bad... waste of PC power.

DQ8, RE4, FFXI, none of these games use as high poly as EQ2 I believe... but still look a ton better. Good artist can draw beautiful human figure with a few lines. While others can render their image to death and look horrible.

You know there is actually a philosophy of that you can find among some of the more famoush artist. It goes along the idea that you can find greater beauty in less. Some models or designs are better of will less detail to them then if you add to much detail. A teaser of sorts, find what really needs more detail and what can be left as illusory debate to the viewers mind.

[Aeni]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFX

FFXI looks like crap compared to Everquest 2 or WoW running on high-end PCs at high settings, I know cause I used to play both, so his complaint about graphics is valid.

You're the real idiot. The graphics on WOW isn't so hawt. WTF you're smoking? I've played WOW for over a year and FFXI for almost 3 years. STFU, you know nothing n00b.

[Pounce]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFX

You know there is actually a philosophy of that you can find among some of the more famoush artist. It goes along the idea that you can find greater beauty in less. Some models or designs are better of will less detail to them then if you add to much detail. A teaser of sorts, find what really needs more detail and what can be left as illusory debate to the viewers mind.

I disagree with that idea.

EQ2 looks "bad" despite its high detail/technology because they had a poor designer, or whatever you call the role/person/job. Give the game a good designer and it most assuredly can blow any game out of the water as far as looks is concerned.

It really has little to do with philosophical mumbojumbo IMHO (no offense, just don't know how else to describe what you wrote).

And yes, FFXI's graphics (as well as music, IMHO) really is dated. It's not so dated that it's downright offensive to look at (Asheron's Call1 falls into this category IMHO), but it's still put to shame by more modern titles.

If the typical level of visual quality of games being released these days is a '10', I'd rate FFXI no higher than a 6.

[Yashin]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFX

FFXI looks like crap compared to Everquest 2 or WoW running on high-end PCs at high settings, I know cause I used to play both, so his complaint about graphics is valid.

FFXI does take a very long time to install and update, it takes twice as long to install and update than any other MMORPG I've ever played, and I've played pretty much all of them - I can probably Install/Update Everquest with all the 5 or so expansions it has faster than FFXI which only has 2 expansions, so that is also valid.

Many MMORRPGs I've played have improved User Interface throughout the game's life, infact in World Of Warcraft and EQ2 the UI has been tweaked and improved many, many times, the WoW UI today, is much better than the WoW UI of last year, but FFXI has the same UI today than it did 2 years ago... so that complaint is also valid.

I really don't see how any of what he's saying is ignorant, he has many valid points, you are the one that's ignorant.

Really? well since im bored out of my mind I decided to take the time to make a comparison of a few MMORPGs (and guild wars), you be the judge of the "crap" graphics...

Note I tried to find pictures they show off character models and the envirment, however since I didnt take pictures from the beta of WoW, trail of EQ, and guild wars trail...I hadda search IGN for the decent pictures...If you have a better one you would like to post go for it...

FFXI:


WoW:


EQ2:


Edit: due to the shittactular aloud amount of [IMG[ tags alowed, the following are links...

EQ:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/preview...rquestf016.jpg

CoH/CoV:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/arti...2101258536.jpg

L2:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/arti...1112350586.jpg

GW:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/arti...5044532612.jpg

As you can see, FFXI is hardly "crap" in the graphic department...The only complaint one could have for ffxi is the ground textures...everything else is pretty damn good...

IMO FFXI beats L2, EQ2, EQ(well for obvoius reasons), and WoW...CoH and GW are just great looking games...

P.S. I agree with Thachsanh, for the same system requirements FFXI BLOWS WoW out of the water...Where FFXI is limited in alot of categorys from ps2, WoW doesnt use the full potential of what a PC can do, the same texture repition is even more aperent in WoW IMO...

And the animations for WoW are horrid...they dont even have an animation to put weapons away...

[DakAttack]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFXI

Whoa, calm down there. No one is calling your mother a whore.

Just learn to accept the facts.

Present us with the facts before giving us your opinions.

I had a long reply typed out, but what's the point? Every point you made was either opinion or bullshit. Why are you so passionate about graphics? Can you really expect SE to throw in some fancy water instead of developing new and original content? The graphics have been fine this far, and there's no denying that there's the possibilty of updating it in the future, so why are we complaining all of a sudden?

Somebody get this guy a box of tissues and a myspace account.

[aegina]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFXI

i'm sorry. i don't care what they say about polygon count. ffxi is an awesome looking game. that's not just my opinion. that's a fact.

[Legionnaire]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFXI

FFXI does look great, but the real fact is that it could look better. That's the brunt of the argument from what I understood. The only thing FFXI utilizes on the X360 is its online capabilty. Nothing else, and that is why a lot of people think it sucks. It would be like playing a PlayStation port of FFVII on the Xbox. Pointless, if you aren't taking advantage of the available technology.

[Thachsanh]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFX

FFXI does look great, but the real fact is that it could look better. That's the brunt of the argument from what I understood. The only thing FFXI utilizes on the X360 is its online capabilty. Nothing else, and that is why a lot of people think it sucks. It would be like playing a PlayStation port of FFVII on the Xbox. Pointless, if you aren't taking advantage of the available technology.

Now that's not true. What if I don't own a PS and still want to play FFVII? Isnt that the reason for the PC version of the game? What's the point in re-release all the old FF game?

Now FFXI for the Xbox360 is just a ported version of the current FFXI not a entirely new game so it re-uses all the old art work. Surprise? Duh, It's just a port version and they still have to support it on the PS2. It would be nice if they have 3 separate patch sets for PS2, PC and Xbox360 but who would want to do that?

[Ockman]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFXI

Those pics really are an excellant example of how FFXI is superior Yashin. Just look at the trees, and how they look so real on the horizon. Not all trees in FFXI have these beautiful details to them, but that's because they're older locations. Lufaise Meadows, where that picture of yours was taken is a new area, and SE obviously pushes the limits of the game further in each new expansion. Just wait til we see what's gonna be in Treasures of Aht Urgan.

WoW is being a bit pitiful with their expansion. They're adding more places, and a new race, sure. Great for them, but their new race, the blood elves look exactly like the night elves with different skin color! SE really pushes the limits of what's possible in the game everytime a new expansion comes out.

Also, remember, this game is made by the japanese, and most other MMORPGs that people compare it to, are made by americans. The japanese have a completely different view of what good game content is. The japanese value good role playing, and good story. That's why CoP, was mainly just an expansion full of missions. Great new locations, but was about the storyline in the end. It's also why PVP isn't a big thing in FFXI, the japanese don't really enjoy the competitive aspect like americans do.

SE doesn't alienate the american or european fans though as well. They threw in ballista for fans of PVP. I love how they did it too, making it more of a sport, instead of something where any idiot can come by and kill you. And they're adding some new jobs finally to keep things fresh and new for players. They're not alienating anyone. WoW does alienate certain players though! It's all focused around the damn PvP, and that's frustrating. I'm not into the constant competition aspect of a ROLE PLAYING GAME. If I want that, i'll go play a FPS. You can be a noob in the game, wanting to explore, accidently enter someone else's land, and they see you, and kill you.

EDIT: Oh, and just one more thing. About anyone, especially the person who might be complaining about ANY of the features in the xbox 360 version, or PS2 version of FFXI really should shut the hell up. Having to be playable on the PS2 is no different than a PC game having a set of minimum requirements. PC developers are forgetting alot these days that games are advancing faster than most people's PCs, and that's one of the reasons I'm mainly a console gamer. My PC is obsolete now pretty much.

But what I wanted to also say is that, he complains about an outdated game, and people on this topic go on about how some other MMORPGs might look better than FFXI. Yeah, ON PC! FFXI is still the only MMORPG that IS multiplatform, and is the only MMORPG, that maintains the complexity of any other MMORPG, but is playable on a console. Not everyone owns a PC and can enjoy games like this, but FFXI is built around the idea that every should be able to. PC MMORPG developers don't even care about consoles, and we still haven't seen a good MMORPG on a console besides FFXI. EQOA was a bad joke. We MIGHT eventually see other MMORPGs on consoles, but we still don't know when or for sure. Someday WoW fanboys might get WoW on xbox 360 or something, but until then, we'll have had our characers for a year or more on FFXI.

[Jei]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFXI

depends on your taste and style I guess. Arts are subjective to begin with.

I love DQ8 graphic thinking it is the most beautiful toon shading I've ever seen,
and I have a classmate to hates it at the same time.
Also there are people hating DQ8 graphic because they hate toriyama...

Anyway, just want to show you my favourite artist's... Craig Mullins...
His works are breath taking.
His brush strokes are so simple yet archeive so much. seeing for yourself

http://goodbrush.com

This is on of my favourite, an old old sketch of his.

[jeffos]

Re: It is true, can't spell ignorant without IGN, IGN shows their ignorance about FFX

Yashin those pics of WoW and EQ2 are not running on a high-end PC, just by looking at that wow pic I can tell Anti Aliasing isn't even on, and if it is it couldn't possibly be on beyond 2X - not to mention that its running at a very low resolution. Those EQ2 pics... I can't tell if the picture is low quality or the PC running it is weak, but it looks all washed out.