2 Nub's Needing Advice

[Aeni]

Re: 2 Nub's Needing Advice

This may seem like it's going offtopic, but I figure this might help other players ...

What I find odd is the striking resemblance between a melee and his/her equipment and food and a mage and his/her equipment and food.

Melee
-All +acc gear and eat meat
-All +acc gear and eat sushi
-All +atk gear and eat sushi
-All +atk gear and eat meat

Mage
-All +mp regen gear and eat pies
-All +mp regen gear and eat cookies
-All +stat (magic) gear and eat cookies
-All +stat (magic) gear and eat pies

I purposely made it simple, brutally I admit, but to show you the main points in this.

Last night, I was in a party with 2 support players. One was a SMN/WHM and the other was a BRD/WHM (I was main healer as WHM/BLM)

I used cookies. The other mages had used pies or something similar. To make a long story short, it was I who died twice and near died about four times. Basically, I was the only mage of the 3 to get back enough MP quickly on terribly long fights to heal up the melees and subsequently got too much hate stacked under my name (Versus if the healing was being shared so that hate was redistributed)

I had a 75 BLM friend who swore by cookies, as well. It totally helped in his Dynamis runs ... while most others were engorging on Snoll Gelatos and Rolanberry Pies, he was the one in the end parser result to totally wipe the floor with his damage.

I think the +stat on food is nice and all, but when it comes right down to it, if you're not getting any refresh (low levels) or the refresh isn't good enough (end game) then your basic focus should be getting mp back quickly and not just having the most mp pool every 30 min ...

[dragen3]

Re: 2 Nub's Needing Advice

On the crafting thing, i've found that you can do okay cooking or weaving at low levels, because stuff drops that you can use and then put back into your character. I personally play a mnk/15 i do some cooking and weaving, My cooking is done by killing Carrion Crows or Goblins (plenty of these in the newbie Windy Area) for Fire Crystals and using them to make Grilled Hare from the Rabbit Meat that Rahabs drop in Sara and Tahongi. This creates a useful +str with decent duration. I have started working on weaving by breaking Yag Necklaces (again real common in windy start area) into thread and then making thread into cloth, Earth Crystals come from a lot of weak creatures in the area including Rahab which i also use for meat and wind crystals come from bees and the yags i kill trying to get necklaces. So it is possible to start crafting early on and get some useful stuff without spending a fortune in gil.

[Armando]

Re: 2 Nub's Needing Advice

It's possible, but just because you farmed it doesn't mean you saved money or got it for free. If the recipe's end-result costs less than the total cost of the materials, it doesn't matter if you got the materials from drops, because you could've sold the materials as they were for more gil. Just keep that in mind. Another reason why farming isn't the same as getting it for free is because farming takes time. I'd rather, say, farm silk and beehive chips for an hour and make, let's say, 40k in that hour, and buy materials with that, than farm rabbits for an hour for just 10k's worth of hides and meat just to use them in crafting. In both scenarios the same ammount of time was wasted, but the former scenario was four times as productive as the latter.

I'm not saying this to try to drive people away from crafting, but so that they're more informed. There ARE a few things you can do with low level crafting that'll actually make money. If you're in San d'Oria or Bastok, you can make some profits bringing up Smithing to level 2 on Bronze Ingots, for example. Low level alchemy also has many recipes that actually make money just from skilling up on them (Mercury comes to mind.) Just understand this: not all crafts are created equal. Taking Alchemy up to 60 will cost you FAR less than taking Goldsmithing up to 60. Dabble in crafting if you want, but research the recipes first so you'll know if you'll gain or lose gil.

[aegina]

Re: 2 Nub's Needing Advice

you would make more money if you just sold the raw materials, especially the crystals.

do NOT take up any craft until you can afford it. if you want to farm ingredients, sell the ingredients and pocket the cash.

[nazlfrag]

Re: 2 Nub's Needing Advice

The crafting system can be done as you level, and while not as productive, I enjoy it. If I am levelling a lower job, I'm better off crafting a lot of the drops than selling them. Things like sheepskins that don't stack. Like hare meat which isn't worth selling. I love the sandy grocery store, for low level cooking they have the spare ingredients I need.

Heres how I levelled cooking:
0-2: Grilled Hare - fire crystal(drop) - Hare meat(drop) + dried marjoram (store)
2-10: Orange Juice - water crystal(drop) - 4x Saruta oranges(store)
11+: Roast sheep - fire crystal(drop) - G.Sheep meat(drop) + marjoram (store) + mahura garlic (vendor/gardening)
11+: Roast Mushroom - fire crystal(drop) - 2x Sleepshrooms(drop) + rock salt(drop/store)
11+: Apple Juice - water crystal(drop) - 4x Faerie apple(store)

All of these I use while I'm levelling. It means I can level my jopb, my craft, have cheap food to make things easier and use my common drops, giving me more storage for the rarer and higher priced drops.

I will also mention 'Scavenge', the ranger ability which lets you get crafting materials from your environment. This is a perfect way to skill up woodworking at little cost. The earth crystals used are easy to come by, too.

I would reccomend doing this on your very first job. Every little bit helps. Sure, cookies are cheap and effective, but until level 20 juices are fine. Mushrooms are good for dunes healers that have uncapped healing, and will help with enfeebles. Grilled hare will help with the grind of 1-10, and roast sheep is useful for a while after. It also breaks the monotony. So skill up or don't, I'm just trying to say it doesn't need to cost a fortune. I agree about not farming ingredients for synth in general, but soloing 1-10 you can collect these ingredients for little or no cost.

I have also levelled smithing, leathercraft and woodworking a little as I levelled low jobs. While slow going, it's nowhere near as slow as fishing is with the skillups. While not making money, I'm not losing much, and getting cheap skillups as a result. You can craft for the early stages as you go, you just have to be prepared.

[tetsuol]

Re: 2 Nub's Needing Advice

/em wonders why a 5 month old post was bumped when the OP could very well be 75 by now