what does AGI do???

[SuperHeroSeth]

I have the sneaking suspicion it may effect how well you hit or how fast, but does anyone REALLY TRULY know what it does??????

if all you know is heresay, then say so before you post please

[Deviantkat]

Re: what does AGI do???

I have the sneaking suspicion it may effect how well you hit or how fast, but does anyone REALLY TRULY know what it does??????

AGI affects a number of things:

Ranged accuracy
Ranged weaponskill damage
Evasion
A number of job abilities (such as Trick Attack)
Shield/Guard activation rate

AGI, however, does not impact:

Attack speed (Your weapon delay, haste traits or haste gear improve this)
Melee accuracy (Your weapon skill level and DEX and/or accuracy gear improve this)
Movement speed (Only movement speed bonus gear adjusts this, and its either job specific or so expensive you'll slave away for your whole life to pay for it)

I've played RNG to 55 and THF to 61 so i'm pretty much intimately familiar with the effects of AGI. If there's anything specific you'd like to know about, then just ask. ^^

[SuperHeroSeth]

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thank you so much!

[pantherball]

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yea thats basically what AGI does you made it sound like u wanted to hit more accurately and or faster ... well DEX helps with accuracy and Critical hits bonus such for ur hitting and then when u buy gear that says accuracy + somethign that helps accuracy and also when u buy a weapon if u look at the delay of that particular weapon the smaller the number the faster you will attack

[nanatsu]

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Also, in this game the only thing that will make you hit faster is the spell haste and items with Haste% on them. Generally the lower the delay on your wepaon the faster you hit with that weapon. But no stat controls how fast you attack.

[Omni]

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dual wield bonuses help you atk 'faster' too ^^

[nanatsu]

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dual wield bonuses help you atk 'faster' too ^^

True but Dual Wield isn't a stat~ ^^ but you're right. :p

[Macht]

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To bad haste doesn't work for ranged attacks, about all that Ranged Attacks get for speed boost is the RNG trait Rapid Shot. As far as the common stated thing of AGI helping Rng. Acc. though I'm still iffy on that one. Never really seen AGI help Rng. Acc. much at all even at +23 AGI still seems my Rng. Acc. is the same as +0 AGI.

The items that raise ranged accuracy directly though can tell much better (Well up to the point that you get to like +70 rng. acc. including the accuracy bonuses that RNG get, after that even +14 Rng. Acc. isn't as hugely noticable but Sushi still is).

[Deviantkat]

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That's true Macht, AGI doesn't have a dramatic impact on ranged accuracy... Neither does DEX on melee accuracy, however. Despite this, DEX is included as part of the accuracy calculation: 8 + DEX/2 + Weapon skill + Gear bonuses (if i recall correctly). By inference I would make the assumption that AGI has the same impact on ranged accuracy.

Even though its effects aren't very noticable, its still affecting ranged accuracy, and is well worth having for ranged attackers (especially if you use a gun) for weaponskill modification.

[Macht]

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That's true Macht, AGI doesn't have a dramatic impact on ranged accuracy... Neither does DEX on melee accuracy, however. Despite this, DEX is included as part of the accuracy calculation: 8 + DEX/2 + Weapon skill + Gear bonuses (if i recall correctly). By inference I would make the assumption that AGI has the same impact on ranged accuracy.

Even though its effects aren't very noticable, its still affecting ranged accuracy, and is well worth having for ranged attackers (especially if you use a gun) for weaponskill modification.

That's my point though, by the math you showed (Which I'm doubtful is correct though because it's now contradicting statements of 2 DEX does not equal 1 Acc). If that was actually correct then 2 AGI should equal 1 Rng. Acc. so 22 AGI should be +11 Rng. Acc. yet I notice more of an impact from +7 Rng. Acc. directly which then contradicts that math setup.

[Deviantkat]

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Parsing evidence does support that accuracy is defined in some other way, but as of yet I havn't seen any better models of how is actually is calculated, or I'd be using that instead. As it stands attack and defense scores follow these rules and I suppose its somewhat up in the air that accuracy follows the same ones. I never found that AGI raised my accuracy by a large amount as RNG, but then again, after squid sushi I had a steady 90%+ accuracy (pre-patch) anyway. It's hard to improve that at all.

Actually Macht, if you can point me to a good thread or site that describes the behaviour of accuracy or maybe has some better insight into it I'd just love that. It really is tiring using a model that most people are aware is only mildly accurate.

Despite this, I still stand by it that AGI is well worth maxing out for WS effects alone.

[Macht]

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Parsing evidence does support that accuracy is defined in some other way, but as of yet I havn't seen any better models of how is actually is calculated, or I'd be using that instead. As it stands attack and defense scores follow these rules and I suppose its somewhat up in the air that accuracy follows the same ones. I never found that AGI raised my accuracy by a large amount as RNG, but then again, after squid sushi I had a steady 90%+ accuracy (pre-patch) anyway. It's hard to improve that at all.

Actually Macht, if you can point me to a good thread or site that describes the behaviour of accuracy or maybe has some better insight into it I'd just love that. It really is tiring using a model that most people are aware is only mildly accurate.

Despite this, I still stand by it that AGI is well worth maxing out for WS effects alone.

Unfortunatly that's kind of been my problem, I haven't found a good one to really support accuracy and rng. acc. most I've seen have seemed to been flawed kind of like it hasn't really been tested to much to really see what relation there is. For me though it really hasn't been AGI to make much of a difference. If I ever do get enough time I do have an intrest to test it though, my suspition is more if that math statement is correct then it's probably more accurate if it was: 8 + (DEX*0.35) + Weapon Skill + Gear. That would make it closer to how I kind of see but still not quite there, the way SE is the mathmatical or numbers they use almost always hold a pattern or design.

[Deviantkat]

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Unfortunatly that's kind of been my problem, I haven't found a good one to really support accuracy and rng. acc. most I've seen have seemed to been flawed kind of like it hasn't really been tested to much to really see what relation there is. For me though it really hasn't been AGI to make much of a difference. If I ever do get enough time I do have an intrest to test it though, my suspition is more if that math statement is correct then it's probably more accurate if it was: 8 + (DEX*0.35) + Weapon Skill + Gear. That would make it closer to how I kind of see but still not quite there, the way SE is the mathmatical or numbers they use almost always hold a pattern or design.

I think its an issue that a lot of DDs run into. Anyone who really likes to optimize their character is going to run into the question 'How much accuracy do I really need?' eventually. With what is currently known to be true about accuracy, you end up seeing blind generalizations from 'Get all the acc you can have," to "Get x amount and use sushi," or "Get y amount and use meat." For RNG its pretty clear that ranged accuracy is pretty much paramount, but there comes a point where shifting into ranged attack would seem more helpful, after all. It might be nice to have a more concrete idea of when that point would be.

I'd love to see someone analyze parsing data on this. I'd even do it myself if i had the ingame resources and connections to really make a decent test scenario. If there's anything I want out of parsed tests in the future, its actual accurate equations for the basics. Accuracy, Ranged accuracy, attack, defence, etc. A lot can be figured out from just that.

[Macht]

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Yeah, I got the friends and all on the server to try and test that out more. Even a structured idea for the test (Been fiddling with it for a long time), even have the resources to go for the rings and items to really give a stat a good HUGE boost to test it.

Problem was for the past few weeks I've just been to busy or my friends have been to busy to go and try it out. We were planing 4 monsters, however many fights to finish 100 shots for arrows each, and about 5 different setups for test conditions (2,000 lines of data in total just to test Rng. Acc. ). We were just starting it when we got to busy to finish the setups.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: what does AGI do???

Additionally, Agility affects an enemies crit rate against you.