Is it ok to steal from RMT?

[Blood Red Poet]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Is it okay to rape a hooker?

[Auron517]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

No, it's not okay to rape anyone.

What exactly are you trying to say here? I don't see how raping a hooker compares to striking back at the RMT that ruin the game for everyone.

How does a hooker who has sex for money affect you personally? None.
How does RMT affect your FFXI playing experience? Plenty.

[little ninja]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

That is not how O-hat parties are done. Whoever has the cluster crafted gets the hat. There is no one lotting but the person that had it.

Regardless of what he does for a living, it doesn't make you a better person to steal from ANYONE. You can justify it all you like with the "they ruin the game for everyone" "some RMT's mpk" blah blah blah. It's like being in prison and the other guy in your cell says "What are you in for? Me, I'm in for manslaughter." Then you respond "Oh I didn't do anything that bad, just armed robbery." Ya riiiiiiiiiiiiight your both in the same damn place because you've both lowered yourself to that status. GG

sorry i have to agree with both parts here. ive never seen anyone lot on a ohat run that didnt use his or her cluster. an to do so is wrong no matter who it was. how would you feel if your ls buddy did it to you? i bet youd feel like crap, an most likely wine then quit.

i have seen RMT actually help players before. i seen them jump in to kill af mobs, an nms. ive seen them help kill mobs when called on for help.all you did was give them a reason to screw some other player. when will it end? i mean RMT isnt going anywhere. the last day of the RMT will be when S.E shuts down all the servers.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

So why should people have any type of respect for the gilsellers?

No one is saying that you should respect them. People are telling you to respect yourself by not lowering yourself to their lvl.

No, it's not okay to rape anyone.

What exactly are you trying to say here? I don't see how raping a hooker compares to striking back at the RMT that ruin the game for everyone.

How does a hooker who has sex for money affect you personally? None.
How does RMT affect your FFXI playing experience? Plenty.

A prostitute is a societal ill. Comparing this to your examples of gilsellers they are the same. So the comparison is accurate enough. Stealing from ANYBODY in the game is against their new policy. Like my post earlier alluded to, saying your "crime" of stealing isn't as bad as their "crime" is asinine. Two wrongs do not make a right.

[Auron517]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Bad things RMT does > The occasional good things they do

It's not very punctual to call Gilsellers "players" of FFXI. They do not play FFXI for entertainment or fun, but rather, for personal gain and fulfilment. They exploit the game and make it rough on those of us who actually play FFXI for satisfaction rather than money.

Also, RMT doesn't have to exist in any MMORPG. Gilsellers exist in FFXI because the community allows them to, period. If no one bought gil, then there would be no RMT.

A prostitute is a societal ill. Comparing this to your examples of gilsellers they are the same. So the comparison is accurate enough. Stealing from ANYBODY in the game is against their new policy. Like my post earlier alluded to, saying your "crime" of stealing isn't as bad as their "crime" is asinine. Two wrongs do not make a right.

While this can be argued to be true, it just doesn't fit this situation. A prostitute and her customer do no affect anyone but themselves.

The deals they make and execute are harmless to no one. If RMT could sell gil without causing mass inflation, without raising the prices to triple their amount, without monoplizing NMs and MPKing, then I could see a comparison. However, when a person decides to go to IGE and buy gil, it affects the ENTIRE server, not just them. That is why RMT is wrong, because what they do hurts the game.

And no, two wrongs don't make a right. But are the players of FFXI supposed to put a veil over thier eyes and pretend that RMT doesn't happen and that it doesn't ruin the game? At a certain point, some one has to step up to the Gilsellers to stop them from doing what they're doing. Even if it means MPKing them and stoping them from getting that drop, just one time is better than just sitting by and watch them destory the game.

[Hori]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

I dont steal from anybody and never will, I dont mpk.
This thread did spark something in my mind though, if those who says its ok to steal from gilsellers then is it ok to steal or mpk the little idiots who mpk and steal gil and items from ls' and pc's?

Those types also ruin gameplay for others.
What about people who admit to buying gil, is it ok to steal or mpk them?
They are 50% of the problem...


From what I have gathered in my time playing FFXI, if I mpk or steal something from gilseller I am a "hero"
If I steal something from a known gilbuyer or general fucktard only out to grief I am and asshole
??????

Mindboggling

[Chirasi]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Recently on my server a player joined a RMT O-Hat run. One of the RMTs traded his cluster, the NA player lotted on the O-Hat and won the lot.

IMHO, this is just low. Too low.

[Jei]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

I see BRP still needs some girls, like always.

[Caspian]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Is it okay to rape a hooker?

No, b/c most of the are already dead inside.
Sorry had to throw in the Family Guy quote.

I'm really kind of torn on this subject. Ive met several ppl Id be willing to put huge money on as being RMT'ers but 90% of them are very respectful and even hellpful. I can understand being angry about a group of gilsellers mpk'ing you b/c you had claim on the NM they wanted, and in turn mpk'ing them. In cases like that I would probably turn a blind eye, but as for just out and out stealing from someone who is participating in a O-hat run like any other player...no, its wrong.
In regards to Hori's post, part of me would actually find it to be more reasonable to mpk gilbuyers regardless of their playing history. Gilbuyers probably piss me off more than gilsellers. Except when the latter kill the prices on darksteel ores and ingots ><

[lionx]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

As to someone saying that they arent players because they dont play for fun, well who ware you to impose what they wanna do? Some people in the US in an article(year old though) buy games just to RMT because they know suckers will buy them. But you cannot really bag them for exploiting something that theres a market for.

I have no trouble with RMT until they MPK, KS or whatever, THEN it becomes an issue. However if they just farmed etc etc and didnt bother you and help you out a bit here and there(as there are some that do). No problem with me go ahead, i just wont be buying the gil.

So i voted no, its not good to steal, its the principle here.

[Sakurachan]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

In my opinion is ok to steal from RMTs because they are not real ffxi players, they are ppl who are fucking up the game since they only think for themselves, They dont give a shit about the other players or the game.
We need to fight them making impossible to get their stuff they gonna sell, till they give up and quit.

Steal from RMTs is ok, but Steal stuff from other normal ffxi players is NOT ok.

Have fun

[Kutch]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Stealing is not ok. Period.

Apply bigger pressure on SE.. if all you whineheads would sent mail directly to SE explaining how you do not like RMT's, you'd get more action done. The ONLY ones able to actually do something about the RMT's are SE themselves, give them enough heat, and they will lend you an ear. Keep posting about it on boards like this, and nothing happens.

(and yes, I post regularly to SE about money sellers, money buyers, bots etc)

[Auron517]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

As to someone saying that they arent players because they dont play for fun, well who ware you to impose what they wanna do? Some people in the US in an article(year old though) buy games just to RMT because they know suckers will buy them. But you cannot really bag them for exploiting something that theres a market for.

I have no trouble with RMT until they MPK, KS or whatever, THEN it becomes an issue. However if they just farmed etc etc and didnt bother you and help you out a bit here and there(as there are some that do). No problem with me go ahead, i just wont be buying the gil.

So i voted no, its not good to steal, its the principle here.

I have every right to impose on them any way possible, because they are robbing my enjoyment of the game.

Yes, there is a market for RMT, but it is more difficult to actually spot Gilbuyers unless they just come right out and admit to doing it. However, if someone's been around for awhile, they could tell you the names of the Gilsellers on their server.
Like I said, if RMT did what they do and didn't affect anybody, then i'd be passive as well, but the reality is they don't.

They will go out, make their gil in anyway possible without regard to anyone but themselves and they will kill you before they let you get in their way.

Stealing is not ok. Period.

Apply bigger pressure on SE.. if all you whineheads would sent mail directly to SE explaining how you do not like RMT's, you'd get more action done. The ONLY ones able to actually do something about the RMT's are SE themselves, give them enough heat, and they will lend you an ear. Keep posting about it on boards like this, and nothing happens.

(and yes, I post regularly to SE about money sellers, money buyers, bots etc)

I've come to the realization that SE isn't really breaking their necks about stoping RMT in FFXI; most likely is because they don't want to lose money. I'm pretty sure as long as the economy has been fucked up, people have been complaining, SE simply isn't going to put any serious effort into stoping it.

They'd rather ban somebody for using a windower or some other third party program then actually deal with RMT.

[Rodin]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Why the hell should SE have to make an effort...

Like you said take it into our own hands. Everyone should stop buying gil and lying about it. I think that most people buy gil because it's such an easy way out. Work in RL, and buy gil to spend in game. And then even, the biggest problem is super RMTer dropping obsecenely high prices for items jsut because they can. Honestly I really don't care about buying gil. It doesn't affect the way I make money, but it's a player generated and driven problem. If we eliminate it on our end, RMT providers will just have to leave.

If you really want to blame something, blame the rusty-cap exploit that was running for months. Most of the gil in circulation right now is the direct result of that. You could easily make a million gil running 3 or 4 characters for a few hours or so.

DING DING DING....this mofo got something right.....

Ok...look at this....RMT are farming items to sell for gil.....which already exists on the servers...they're upping the price of the items and getting money that already exists on the servers...Now...how is INFLATION made....it's made by more money being created than destroyed....now where the hell is this money coming from? It's coming from sellling stuff to NPCs, doing ranks....etc.....so the RMT aren't really causing inflation...it's the assholes who botted who are causing all the inflation because they introduced MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of gil into the server....now...instead of MPKing an RMT...MPK a bot


But also...in no way do I agree with some of the tactics used by gilsellers to assure they will make the gil....I had a crapload of Yagudos trained on me in Oztroja the other day by RMT when I got Mee Degii....not to mention the number of times I was attempted an MPK by Chinesgirl.....the bitch got banned...but...the funny thing was, everytime she tried to MPK me with a leech, I'd throw sneak on and put my character in front of her...which stopped her for a monent, and allowed the leech to catch up....ultimately ending in about three or four deaths on her part.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

While this can be argued to be true, it just doesn't fit this situation. A prostitute and her customer do no affect anyone but themselves.

Tell that to the wife that was diagnosed with Aids because her husband had sex with an infected prostitute. Oh and the wife was pregnant and wasn't diagnosed until after the baby was born, now we are up to 2 additional people affected by one prostitute. I'm sure she slept with more than one man. So lets say that she had sex with 5 men a day for a month. Let's say 3 of the men each day had g/f's or wives and 1 out of the 3 were pregnant. So now she has affected the lives of TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY people in ONE month. And you say that a prostitute does not affect anyone else but her and the customer!!!??

And lets not forget that were prostitutes start to congregate, so do drug dealers. There go property values! Oops just affected all the people in a half mile radius! Oh and the crime rate goes up, so now we need a larger police force. Oops just affected the entire CITY.

Now to put this in context with FFXI using some of the comments I've heard people say about gilsellers. Well when they decide to camp or farm in an area, you can say there goes the "neighborhood" because farming for the regular player will become more difficult. They could possibly kill you too if they don't want you farming there. And if your camping for an item for a friend or ls member, well now the gilseller has affected two or more people that are connected to one another because they can mpk you or steal the spawn. So there you see go property values, possible death for you and others if your mpk'd, and more GM work for all the calls they receive about it. So yes, the original analogy was quite valid.