Is it ok to steal from RMT?

[Keji]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

How are they ruining the game for others ? Because they farm to make ingame cash? What does the selling of the gil have to do with anything? So what if some are assholes who mpk and whatnot. Doesnt mean all do, and you shouldn't generalize anyway. As stated earlier exactly who is a RMT? you don't know for sure. Not to mention the fact that you are just resorting to their level saying you hate them blah blah I'm gonna steal items and mpk them. Well guess what you're just as much as an asshole as they are. Way to go!

[Tan'o]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Yes, I would do anything that would discourage an RMT from playing (or should I say ruining) FFXI and its economy. Steal from them, MPK, harass, etc.

Look at it this way: If an RMT were in your PT when a very expensive item dropped from HNM, NM or God-- I'm positive that they would lot on it in an attempt to steal it. RMTs do not care about making friends, and are in no way concerned about their reputation within FFXI's community. They only care about making gil, by any means. If they don't care about us, then why should we care about them? They don't play fair, then why should we? If we don't fight back against RMTs, their numbers will continue to grow and the FFXI economy will continue to inflate.

Square Enix hasn't made a significant effort to stop RMT. I just think its time we as a community of genuine gamers take matters into our own hands.

Why the hell should SE have to make an effort...

Like you said take it into our own hands. Everyone should stop buying gil and lying about it. I think that most people buy gil because it's such an easy way out. Work in RL, and buy gil to spend in game. And then even, the biggest problem is super RMTer dropping obsecenely high prices for items jsut because they can. Honestly I really don't care about buying gil. It doesn't affect the way I make money, but it's a player generated and driven problem. If we eliminate it on our end, RMT providers will just have to leave.

If you really want to blame something, blame the rusty-cap exploit that was running for months. Most of the gil in circulation right now is the direct result of that. You could easily make a million gil running 3 or 4 characters for a few hours or so.

[Rai]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Lacilie, we on Leviathan server know who the RMT are because they have a LS and have admitted they are RMT. The leader of the LS is a NA player who ran 2 HNMLS, but after the 2nd one broke up he got mad, so he created an LS and went around and invited RMT to join. Then he lead them through Zilart Mission and got them sky access.

So, no I don't randomly point a finger at Players and call them RMT.

[Anaki]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

for the RMTers im 100% sure of are the ones who will admit it if you ask them. the others are they help RMT 24/7 and are in the same party with a 100% sure RMTer for weeks on end that they get branded as one

[Yashin]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Yes yuo should, everyone who says no has never been to sky to see those asses...

[AgentBrownEye]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

is it really stealing though if you won the lot fair and square? thats where this is all stemming from, the one incident with the o.hat, right? i don't consder that stealing, especially if he participated in the run. maybe i'm shady on a few details, but lotting is all random, and if he won he won. bottom line.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

is it really stealing though if you won the lot fair and square? thats where this is all stemming from, the one incident with the o.hat, right? i don't consder that stealing, especially if he participated in the run. maybe i'm shady on a few details, but lotting is all random, and if he won he won. bottom line.

That is not how O-hat parties are done. Whoever has the cluster crafted gets the hat. There is no one lotting but the person that had it.

Regardless of what he does for a living, it doesn't make you a better person to steal from ANYONE. You can justify it all you like with the "they ruin the game for everyone" "some RMT's mpk" blah blah blah. It's like being in prison and the other guy in your cell says "What are you in for? Me, I'm in for manslaughter." Then you respond "Oh I didn't do anything that bad, just armed robbery." Ya riiiiiiiiiiiiight your both in the same damn place because you've both lowered yourself to that status. GG

[AgentBrownEye]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

That is not how O-hat parties are done. Whoever has the cluster crafted gets the hat. There is no one lotting but the person that had it.

thanks for clearing that up for me. so i guess i retract my original statement....

[DakAttack]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Posting in a legendary thread!

Anyways, RMT is a term used to describe the market, not the players themselves. The people you meet in game are just a single part of the market. Some of them may sell the gil themselves, but others just hand it off to a professional seller.

Stealing in any situation is wrong.

[Anaki]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

depends on which RMTer :x some of em will MPK steal your mobs use every underhanded trick and seem to use bots those ones they have it coming i think
but othrs who just sell gil without any dirty tricks then dont steal from them or they will start using underhanded tricks. then we will have servers of gil seller susing bots and packet sniffers <.<

[fuz]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

I do not do pre-emptive strikes on anyone, even RMT-ers. Unless I know them to be specifically dangerous to be around, I won't do anything, and usually go out of my way to keep away. If I have no choice and if they train repeatedly I'm more likely to call a GM than anything else, but I will MPK them (if possible to do safely, which is rare) if they really push me.

I basically fish and BC for >90% of my gil, so I any MPKing I do is usually accidental (e.g. fished mob uses an AoE, killing all the lvl1 bots around me, though I sometimes just happen to move within range of them...). ;3

If there is no retribution or resistance to underhanded methods, they will simply continue using them.

[Lacilie]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Lacilie, we on Leviathan server know who the RMT are because they have a LS and have admitted they are RMT. The leader of the LS is a NA player who ran 2 HNMLS, but after the 2nd one broke up he got mad, so he created an LS and went around and invited RMT to join. Then he lead them through Zilart Mission and got them sky access.

So, no I don't randomly point a finger at Players and call them RMT.

Yes, there are people that are so obviously RMT, if you missed them, you gotta have a lot of space in that skull. I know a few RMTs on my server as well. Anyhow, I believe if they made RMT hunt legitmate, it will create more trouble than help, our community is as screwed up as it can be, I don't need a total chaotic server to end the day with;

Been on any other game with player-based "witch hunt"? All end up in chaotic mistrusting community where every idiots either:
-use it to their advantage, training, KS, etc everyone to get their own NM.
-blindly pointing at people without proof.
In the end, GMs had to put a new rule in for reporting, and at that time, even if you did caught the "omfg baddy", you can still be suspended for false report.

As many have said, there is no need to lower ourselves to their level, stealing is wrong, there is no way around it. Think about what we hate about RMTs before crying and lowering yourself to their level.

As for others, I have had normal NA players that train crazy, amazingly, ignorant little brats made up the majority of EN community, 9/10 don't give a damn about training a hell onto others, I had plenty of people training mob out of deep in Citadel on my lv30 parties. Ignorant, rude, brainless people are everywhere, they are not the defining qualities of RMTs.

[DakAttack]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

Lacile must have played Ragnarok Online!

[Anaki]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

on a similar note. if its wrong to steal from a gil seller. is it wrong to sabotage an O.hat run where the O.hats go to gil sellers? aka be a blm and accidently cast spells that just cause the party to die like bio on a nearby monster, etc.

[Auron517]

Re: Is it ok to steal from RMT?

I personally think it's completely justified to steal from RMT. People should do everything within thier power to hinder their process in anyway possible.

Why? Because they ruin the game for everyone. They fuck up the economy, monopolize everything they can and will MPK you if you get in their way of making gil.

So why should people have any type of respect for the gilsellers?

They're not providing anything beneficiate to the game at all, so why not MPK/Steal from them?