FFXI and Windows Vista.

[Kimaru Okada]

As per friends I have seen gone from game due to using this. SE has barred anyone from using Windows Vista and playing FFXI. if they catch you using Windows Vista you will be banned. A LS member was banned from the game indefenetly for using Windows Vista Beta and playing FFXI. I dont know why but GMs say it gives players an unfair advantage. if anyone could give me info as to why. I just want to know WTF Windows Vista give players advantage on.. is it cause maybe it can RUN XI in window mode without the use of a windower?

[neighbortaru]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

is it cause maybe it can RUN XI in window mode without the use of a windower?

that's probably it right there. SE has been up in arms about windowers as of late.

[Yoko]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

Which is so damned dumb, since they attack something a lot of people use, amd is not nearly as dangerous as the other 100's of camping bots out there...

/sigh @ SE

[Macht]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

Haven't looked into much of the in's and out's of Windows Vista yet, but if I had to guess I would think it's more because of the change to the OS. They made some drastic changes were Window Vista takes more advantage of the GPU instead of the CPUs, as a result I could see this possibly causing an old speed hack to come up again like there use to be before until it was corrected.

[Manatra]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

Still, I can understand the 3rd party bannings... but banning someone because they're using Windows Vista...?

[Macht]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

The other possibility which I haven't looked into is if the programming is 32-bit or 64-bit programming. This too could cause the user to have undesired advantages.

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Still, I can understand the 3rd party bannings... but banning someone because they're using Windows Vista...?

Actually as harsh as it seems I could see a need for it. Windows Vista has some major changes to it then the previous Windows, many of which can have a lot of unknown effects to FFXI. Also with it being a beta it can go with the pretense that you may be downloading to Windows Vista just to get an unfair advantage since it is only Beta versions that are out right now.

[Kailea]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

1) the GMs or anyone at SE can "detect" yo useing Vista.....
2) he had to of told someone and brged that he could run in windowed mode
3) Windows Vista is not a "3rd arty program" it is an OS!!....you cant get banned legaly for using one OS over another.........

[Macht]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

1) the GMs or anyone at SE can "detect" yo useing Vista.....
2) he had to of told someone and brged that he could run in windowed mode
3) Windows Vista is not a "3rd arty program" it is an OS!!....you cant get banned legaly for using one OS over another.........

Guess you were not around during all the warning of the speed hacks? They did warn long ago that anyone using a "3rd party program" having a side effect of increasing their movement speed would be banned. Part of what caused these speed hacks were overclocking the systems, many people were warned about it back then as well and as long as they notified SE about it ahead of time they were lenient to a point.

So I don't see any reason they'd distinguish a hack as a result of a beta OS being any different then a "3rd party program" doing it. Also should look at the specifics on the Agreements it states clearly as one reason of Revocing a Users Rights as "(i) Use of any cheat codes or cheat devices" and OS that can possibly give you an unfair advantage qualifies as a cheat device.

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I would just simply state that if you are going with Windows Vista Beta, then better be on a computer that will not be running FFXI. Once Windows Vista (a non-beta) version is out FFXI will likely of been tested on it enough to qualify it's use.

[Kailea]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

Yes I was around wwhen all that was going on, I have been here since day one -.-

I dont need a company's permission to tell me what OS to run on my PC or if I can overclock it or not....I will run what I want to run and as fast as I want eerr can that is, and they can kiss it lol, I agree with SE on about 90% of what they do and say....but this is starting to cross the line. Like I said it is an OS, and the final version is pretty much the same as what the beta is now, and SE can not sit there and say "you cant play FFXI on a PC with this OS on it" that is just obsurd.

[Macht]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

I dont need a company's permission to tell me what OS to run on my PC....I will run what I want to run, and they can kiss it lol, I agree with SE on about 90% of what they do and say....but this is starting to cross the line. Like I said it is an OS, and the final version is pretty much the same as what the beta is now, and SE can not sit there and say "you cant play FFXI on a PC with this OS on it" that is just obsurd.

Well no one really complained when SE said you can not play the game if you overclocked your system when the speed hack was happening. Or even with some just because of the system design it self made an unintended speed hack and SE warned them to correct it or be banned.

It's funny when people scream for fairness then scream against certain fairness choices when it doesn't favor them.

[Kailea]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

Well no one really complained when SE said you can not play the game if you overclocked your system when the speed hack was happening. Or even with some just because of the system design it self made an unintended speed hack and SE warned them to correct it or be banned.

It's funny when people scream for fairness then scream against certain fairness choices when it doesn't favor them.

is called patch the game....not patch my own PC...... if there is an issue with other software or hardware, you are supost to patch the game to fix it, not tell people to stop useing it.....

[fastcart]

I called SE

Whee!! I just called SE's toll number 858--790-7529 (i.e. not free) and asked them about this because this issue seems fishy. I was asked for my POL ID and I said I just have a quick question and didn't give it to him. (Take that The Man!! Wait...Does The Man have Caller ID?? Argh!!)

The representative I spoke to (I just realized I should have gotten his name, grr) said that neither he nor anyone around him at the time I spoke to him knew anything about Windows Vista. He asked if it was even out yet and I told him it's being beta tested. I explained to him, "I read online in a forum that people are being banned because they were using Windows Vista Beta to play Final Fantasy XI in windowed mode." I'll say ffxi for shorthand, but I didn't abbreviate it on the phone. He sound incredulous and started reading his cue cards about using 3rd party programs while playing ffxi. I told him, "But, it's not a 3rd party program. It's Windows. It's just that it allows you to run ffxi in windowed mode. Can you be banned for that?"

We went back and forth a bit at this point until he wrapped his head around someone using an operating system other than 98, ME, 2000, and XP to play ffxi and it not being a 3rd party program. Several times during the conversation, there were long pauses where I thought I was disconnected, but he was trying to get answers from something or someone. So, after a moment of getting that straightened out, I asked him for his final word with these questions:

1) Q: If you use Windows Vista Beta to play ffxi, can you be banned?
A: We currently have no information with regard to playing FFXI under Windows Vista and there have been no tests with it. So, I really can't say, but my guess is that it should be ok.

2) Q: What if Windows Vista Beta allows you to play in windowed mode without using a 3rd party program?
A: *after a similar disclaimer about not having info about Vista* ... You would be playing at your own risks. (Whether he meant because the OS may be buggy or because GMs may think it's a 3rd party program I'm not sure. But, that's what he said.)

Then, I thanked him and we hung up.

That being said, this was my experience with this issue. You may get a different representative and different answers if you call.

From my understanding of the conversation I had (it took awhile for him to understand I was asking about Windows Vista Beta as an OS and not as a 3rd party program), it would seem that Kimaru Okada's friend was suspended and not banned unless his/her friend was known for causing trouble in ffxi or breaking the rules too many times. GM would suspend you normally if you get caught using a third party program. They may ban you if you have repeated offenses.

Maybe the GM was over-vigilant. I don't know. But, if Kimaru Okada's friend had a chance to explain that Windows Vista Beta was an OS and not a 3rd party program he shouldn't be banned unless Vista does allow you to run in windowed mode and the GM misunderstood what Vista is... In a sane world that is...

[Macht]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

There you go, that makes sense to me. So it's simply that SE isn't aware of Windows Vista being usable or even aware of it as an OS (After all it's name was changed from "Longhorn" to "Vista" not to long ago so they probably don't have the 411 on that).

Which then counters the idea that SE knows which system you are using, that ties in line with the current privacy policies too. So the person or person's got temp banned because they were bragging about a windowing function and there is a bit of a misunderstanding.

In either case the person also did state that they have not yet tested FFXI under Windows Vista. The best they put forth was a guess, which with our own knowledge of the speed hacks before could mean their guess to be in-accurate. So, fastcart's research makes sense but for your own security I still state it's safer not to use beta anything.

[Kimaru Okada]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

they know its a beta OS. I talked to a GM earlier today and asked him in GAME about windows Vista and he advised me not to use it and that I shouldnt talk about its advantages in game.. So something is up with Windows Vista I am going to ask my friend who got banned about it. But the GM told me it gave players an unfair Advantage >.>;

He first Got Suspended for using Vista. Then Once it was over he got banned from the game shortly after for warning people about it.

[swiften]

Re: FFXI and Windows Vista.

You mean Zyphinx. Damn thats cold. I think its fair to warn your friends so they dont get in trouble.