So yeh my friend decided to buy gil...

[TheGrandMom]

Re: So yeh my friend decided to buy gil...

Again not everyone has to follow your standard, i wouldnt buy gil but i really wouldnt condemn others as retards for doing so as long as they really are comfortable with their decision. Although alot of them that do buy gil are retards...frankly if they buy it its none of my buisness.

And again, buying gil is like lighting your money on fire. You get nothing tangible from buying gil. You get nothing in return but air. So light it on fire, throw it out your car window as your driving, ball it up and throw it in the ocean, whatever you choose. If that is your idea of a good way to "spend" money then your either filthy rich or lacking in mental stability. Doing any of those things repeatedly could get you committed in the real world.

[lionx]

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And again, buying gil is like lighting your money on fire. You get nothing tangible from buying gil. You get nothing in return but air. So light it on fire, throw it out your car window as your driving, ball it up and throw it in the ocean, whatever you choose. If that is your idea of a good way to "spend" money then your either filthy rich or lacking in mental stability. Doing any of those things repeatedly could get you committed in the real world.

Same for paying the game montly if you are going to put it that way, the time spent farming too. I dont buy gil but if someone else has the money and wants to who the hell are any of you guys to say he is dumb? Its his choice if he wants to and if he finds it to be worth it good for him. No one has to play the same way someone else does, theres consequences for everything and they should know what they are doing.

Respectfully saying please dont lecture me in real life. I just disagree with you, and by no means am i supposed to agree with what everyone is saying. You are free to disagree with me just like i am to you.

[Yashin]

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Same for paying the game montly if you are going to put it that way, the time spent farming too. I dont buy gil but if someone else has the money and wants to who the hell are any of you guys to say he is dumb? Its his choice if he wants to and if he finds it to be worth it good for him. No one has to play the same way someone else does, theres consequences for everything and they should know what they are doing.

Respectfully saying please dont lecture me in real life. I just disagree with you, and by no means am i supposed to agree with what everyone is saying. You are free to disagree with me just like i am to you.

No paying monthly is a required thing that gets you full accsess to the game...Farming is free, if you are farming or partying doesnt really fuckin matter you are still playing the game...Buying gil is paying for stuff you can already get, time spent means jack fucking shit to me, you can get the shit for the 13 bucks a month you pay, spending more is throwing your money away...

[Ziero]

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You pay the monthly fee to Squeenix to support mainteneces, character storage, added content, stable servers (and yes, they are for the most part stable) and to generally keep the game it'self going. Buying gil is a waste because you just payed real money for something you could easily do yourself. Making gil is part of the game, it's hard for an intelligent person to go through this game and NOT see ways of making gil. There are so many ways of making cash just layed out right in front of you and all you need to give is a little bit of time and a lil effort. Two things that are supposed to be put into this game.

Good players will learn how to make gil and do so efficiantly, lazy players will just go out and buy it. And though many people say 'I'd rather have a good player who buys gil then a bad player who doesn't in my pt', the fact of the matter is a good player would not NEED to buy gil. There is more to this game then exp pts and end game fights, and people who buy gil, more often then not, ignore all that stuff. Instead they buy gil and rush to end game, not knowing half the things a smart player of lower lvls will know. People that buy gil are basically saying 'I play the game, but I don't like playing it'.

[Rones]

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Time = Money. Spend 100 hours farming to get your uber piece of equipment or 3 hours at a real job and buy the gil for it. Yep, those spending real money are really burning more money that way. :sweat: You can disagree with gilselling, but the logic behind buying it is quite sound.

You claim gil is valueless on the basis it is not tangible. Many things are not tangible, but have great value. A photo album of your family on your ocmputer is not tangible, but has great value for example. Same thing with gil. If gil had no value, you would not think twice about dropping it on the ground or giving it away to people. However, gil has value just like real money because we place a value on it. That is why we sacrifice so much of our real time in pursuit of it just like money which is technically valueless (its small pieces of paper) except for the value we create for it.

The internet and computers are flipping the system upside down. Whether or not an object is tangible is no longer an indication of its value. Buying gil is much like buying stock. Someone has put time and effort into a company/business to build it up to where it is today. Now you are going to buy some of it because you want to benefit from it without having to go through the trouble of building up the business personally, it's more time efficient just like buying gil is. Just remember, time is money. If you weren't farming 8 hours a day in ffxi, you could get a second job and buy all the gil you could ever want in just a few days of real work instead of months of farming sessions. Argue it is wrong, argue gilsellers are bad, but you can not argue it is wasteful and inefficinet.

[Yashin]

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Sure I can...Ok put it this way...If you give me 20 bucks...ill give you 2 normal rocks...See the logic? You can get rocks anywhere...why pay for what you can get free? Buying gil is about as smart as shooting your self in the nuts...

[TheGrandMom]

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Don't bother Yashin. There are always people that justify stupidity. Buying gil is throwing hard earned money down the drain for no logical reason. There are various other ways of obtaining what you want but because of your laziness you throw your money out the car window. Yes we can each do what we choose to but it doesn't mean that its not stupid. Many people get defensive of something when they know they are wrong because they don't want to look like an idiot for doing it.

[Rones]

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Sure I can...Ok put it this way...If you give me 20 bucks...ill give you 2 normal rocks...See the logic? You can get rocks anywhere...why pay for what you can get free? Buying gil is about as smart as shooting your self in the nuts...

I'm sorry, but that falls under bad analogy. Funny you didn't address any of the examples I gave. If two rocks could be used to purchase a kraken club and two rocks took 2-3 months of farming 4-6 hours a day to gain directly, then yes people would pay $20 for them. Gil is in high demand, supply is somewhat limited (limited in that you can't just push a button and create 20mill new gil in the economy) and it has high value to players. I can use your same logic to claim farming for months to get an item you could buy with real money from a days work at a job is about as smart as shooting yourself in the nuts...

Many people get defensive of something when they know they are wrong because they don't want to look like an idiot for doing it.

And I can argue the inverse:Many people get defensive of something when they know they are wrong because they don't want to look like an idiot for not doing it.

FYI, I have never bought gil and don't plan on it.

Edit: As an afterthought for the development of the discussion, do you agree or disagree with the statment that 'time equals money'?

[lionx]

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Thank you Rones thats what i was trying to get accross. Some people refuse to pay FFXI monthly fees because they think they are a waste, i do not think so, the same can be applied to buying gil. Time DOES equal money, and you cant say that its a waste of money for someone else besides yourself.

Yes i have not bought gil and dont have plans to. I like farming for that value of earning gear, its just the action of farming that i like to do for some gear i want.

[Enialas]

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And again, buying gil is like lighting your money on fire. You get nothing tangible from buying gil. You get nothing in return but air. So light it on fire, throw it out your car window as your driving, ball it up and throw it in the ocean, whatever you choose. If that is your idea of a good way to "spend" money then your either filthy rich or lacking in mental stability. Doing any of those things repeatedly could get you committed in the real world.

I don't smoke cigarettes because that's a waste of hard earned money.

you pay 5 bucks plus tax at a time to have a pile of ash and 10? 20? worthless pieces of foam and you'll end up spending 3k a year for it.

time = money, money = time. if buying gil is like burning it, and buying cigarrets is to burn it. then buying cigatettes = buying gil. if you think burning 3 months worth of hard earned cash is worth it, well I won't comment on anyone's intelligence, just putting it into an every day real life example.

in bold is what people do with cigarettes

[ibroyles]

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Sorry guys, but all these points you are making about time=money etc, are NOT valid here. Why? Because FFXI is not a job. FFXI is a game that you are supposed to have fun with. In all aspects of the game are supposed to be fun, hence why SE tries so hard to change the economy to make it more fun. The only money it takes to have fun with FFXI is the $13/month that SE charges. I wont give my money to anybody else, because SE is the only ones that deserve it for this game. I can't understand why some people are spewing propaganda for buying gil. All it is, is CHEATING, plain and simple. Shall I put a fucking lollipop with sugar on top to make it sound different? Nope, its still cheating.

[Rones]

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We never said it wasn't cheating or was right. What we are saying is there logic behind why people buy gil and it is quite efficent.

Sorry guys, but all these points you are making about time=money etc, are NOT valid here. Why? Because FFXI is not a job.

Time=Money doesn't apply only to jobs. Any time you are awake, you could be turning time into money. Thus, time spent playing games and goofing around is lost money. Much like time spent farming gil for 4-5 hours a day for a month is lost time that could have been changed into real money. Take your time spent farming for gear, go get a real job for a week or a second job during your normal farming time. After a week you can buy all the gil you could have farmed in months and still have more real money than if you had spent that time farming gil.

Please explain to me how grinding away farming gil for hours on end of boredom is not like a very bad job? Heck, how is your gil earning any different from gil farmers who do that as a real job? Now that you have claimed all our points are invalid, why not try providing some valid points for yourself?

[Hyrist]

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Ok... let me point this out...

The prices for Pecock Charm, Leaping Boots, Emprorer's Hairpin, and Archer's Rings... have skyrocketed thanks to the update, not dropped. Sniper's Rings are going up more too.

And where are the gilsellers on Midgardsormr?

They stopped hunting NMs, they are not even hunting for beastmen seals. They are mining for gil now, or logging or some other contiueing method.

What did this do to help the enconomy?

Well you can hunt the NM's... waiting 18-30 hours in hopes that everyone else in the world dosent have the same mind you are and be lucky enough to get the Rare/Ex Drop.

or you can get yourself killed multiple times in BCNMs TRYING to get origonal verson from the new 40 caps.

Or you can shell out the extra 10million it takes to actually get the item off of auction house now.

Which is easier for you? Personally? I dont have the time to dedicate an entire day to hunting a NM, nor do I feel like getting myself killed on some half arse scheme to kill 3 hecktaeyes who spam Paralize and Petrify the entire fight.

But I an shell up 10 million in about 4-6 weeks if I am lucky.

Funny, it actually seems that removing the Gilsellers from the main high-priced economy actually made it worse.

What part of this is discouraging gill buying again? Oh yeah, "Its against the ToS" "It's cheeting."

So is using a Codebreaker or GameShark on single player games, but people still do it.

Now I personally have somthign against doing stuff like that in MMOs. I play games like these for the clanage and I am poude to say by the end of september I'll be sporting a Scoprion Harness or even a SH+1 at level 57, through hard work, and good connections.

I also bought my Phalanx Scroll, after 11 sucessful BCNM40s that diddent drop neither Erase nor Phalanx for me, a complete waste of time. (Well not complete, I sitll have the Balance Buckler I got from one of them)

People treat Gillsellers like crap for making a living off a video game. Just try to keep in mind that employment sucks in countries like China, and earning even $400 a week is consitered very welthy. If someone form a place like that brings home the bacon by taking a few mining chinks out of my Mining Point, so be it. I'm not willing to fuss over how someone earns their food. (Besides, they dont mind it when I mine off them one bit.)

If the Gillsellers diddent have a market, they wouldent be doing what they do. But it does help the economy keep going by providing a steady flow of items into the servers. Unless we as a race of humans learn not to be so damned greedy, then people like gillsellers are actually keeping the prices rather steady by creating compition between themselves and the players for quick item sells.

Its been a long time sence I have heard the last report of a 'gilseller buying out the AH' to raise prices, so you cant blaim the current inflation on them. Its our own selves we have to look twards.

Just remember that when you see you are the only one selling a Ice Ore on the Jueno market. Maybe you SHOULDENT go for that extra 10k.

[Blood Red Poet]

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Buying gil isn't the end of the world. Selling gil isn't the end of the world. If he is a nice guy, get over it. If he is some super 900,000,000+ million gil buyer, you might want to have him keep it a secret if you want to be his friend without getting your rep smudged a little.

And to the people who want everything rare/ex... yah got no damn idea how this game is run, just shut your yapper and realize, gil selling is not a big deal. 90% of the time its not the gil sellers raising the price of anything. If that was the case things would cost a lot more. Its the one guy who gets something, sells it for more, and the gil sellers just sell it the price they see.

I need 17 pounds of garlic to continue.

[Yashin]

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Sorry guys, but all these points you are making about time=money etc, are NOT valid here. Why? Because FFXI is not a job. FFXI is a game that you are supposed to have fun with. In all aspects of the game are supposed to be fun, hence why SE tries so hard to change the economy to make it more fun. The only money it takes to have fun with FFXI is the $13/month that SE charges. I wont give my money to anybody else, because SE is the only ones that deserve it for this game. I can't understand why some people are spewing propaganda for buying gil. All it is, is CHEATING, plain and simple. Shall I put a fucking lollipop with sugar on top to make it sound different? Nope, its still cheating.

Thank you. Time is not money when YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME...Buying gil is like buying rocks...Its right in front of you, and has no real market use in the real world...Sorry but gil wont buy that BMW your wanting, neither will rocks...

Sure you can work 4 hours and make enough to buy 4981038409731890479012384 and 7 mil...But you work to support your life...not to support a game...If your only working to buy gil...then kill your self swiftly and quickly...