GMs stealing gil from players?

[Isendre]

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everyone makes excellent points , I have never even seen a GM let alone talked to one and based on this i am not lumping all gm's into one category , i will be more catious with what i purchase/sell and to whom after seein this, cuz the thought of someone poppin up and yankin it way is scary :hoo:

[Ziero]

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The way I see it is if something like this happens to you, and you flip out like the guy in screens did, don't expect the GM to bend over backwards to help you. There is obvioulsy a large chunk of the story missing so just saying "the gm was wrong" or "the guy was wrong" is over reacting. Though it is good to see that GMs are now able to take action against scammers and thieves, so if one of us honest people do get hosed over, we can go to the GMs and expect results.

[Isendre]

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The whole thing sounds suspicious. At any rate like any real life trade you have between another person, you are at a loss if you've accidentally traded for or traded with illicit goods and currency.

this is very true of real life, but unfortunatly in real life there are thousands of ways to research and find out if the business or person you are dealing with is reputable, in this game we trade with complete strangers and have no way to research if they are shady or not. i think thats why i was so shocked by this . If that person did know,they got what they deserved, but if they didnt..... unfortunatly us honest players have no way of knowing.. so i will stick to the AH for big money items just in case

[Macht]

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Well the screenshot doesn't give enough detail to provide a back story to this conversations outcome. At best with just a little outside guidence via titling for example "GMs stealing gil from players?" and these screenshots make perfect persuassion to get many hot heads in an uproar very fast.

As already stated by someone who knows the guys reputation to be bad. If he knew then the guys had to be bad enough that some simple questioning should of brought about a result for him. Same as when I went to do a BCNM fight before with someone that was suspicious to me, I questioned if my LS heard of him and half of them said he steals BCNM drops.

I had refused to go after hearing that, and later found out the others that did go had gotten their drops stolen. You do build a good enough reputation that making an actual physical trade (not selling my bazaar) that you should be able to question LS members or even do a shout to validate this person's reputation.

Now if the guy had received the money via a bazaar then I could see differently about it. The thing is without even mentioning the 3rd party members name once the accused seemed to know exactly who the GM was talking about. That is already proof positive of something wrong, not even having to play on the words.

If the player sold it to some by bazaar the likelyhood that they'd know who it was sold too is basically 0. Hence when the GM said his "friend" how could the other verify that it was a friend or not? There's way to much suspicious here I could list down one after the other of how this message has incomplete background and not a well enough story to it.

My suspicions as being of a GM to other games is this player has something not being revieled in these photos. As for the GMs having proof to take money, items, alter status, or anything to that nature you better damn well have proof. Otherwise if that player goes to Customer Service or someone higher then you and you can't prove it, well not only does that player win but you're putting your own job at risk.

[nanatsu]

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Well the screenshot doesn't give enough detail to provide a back story to this conversations outcome. At best with just a little outside guidence via titling for example "GMs stealing gil from players?" and these screenshots make perfect persuassion to get many hot heads in an uproar very fast.

Well quite frankly when I first saw the images I was actually quite worried about this. It wasn't until I had time to talk it over with friends that I realized that maybe it wasn't something to get too upset over. But don't you think my initial reaction is something that a normal person could have to those screenshots? I don't see how that sort of reaction could be unreasonable given all the horror stories going around about GMs in general. And do you think it would be a good idea to change the title?

[Kailea]

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that is the thing, all these "horror stories" are not horror storyy, every time I read something a GM does, I side with the GM because I understand why the GM did what they did, and the player did not, and that is why they are getting upset, the only one I did nto agree with was that guy that got banned for joking about selling his charater, but even then he should not have joked about it.......

[Mithrael]

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Given the decisive action of the GM, I'd assume this has nothing to do with RMT, which is easy for them to track, but generally is not. My guess is that this has/had something to do with a Dupe exploit, which are generally easily traceable because the money has the same ID. Usually in dupes, people will break up the gil in smaller amounts and trade it to many different people so that the IDs are no longer traceable. It would be intelligent for there to be an item involved in these trades to make the receiver seem innocent. As everyone has said, the facts are thin. Keep in mind though, it's unlike GMs to take decisive action in nearly anything, much less in gil transactions. For a senior GM to come down and say that they were involved in fraud is pretty severe.

[Macht]

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Well quite frankly when I first saw the images I was actually quite worried about this. It wasn't until I had time to talk it over with friends that I realized that maybe it wasn't something to get too upset over. But don't you think my initial reaction is something that a normal person could have to those screenshots? I don't see how that sort of reaction could be unreasonable given all the horror stories going around about GMs in general. And do you think it would be a good idea to change the title?

Nah, the titling is fine. Even the title can persuade a suggested idea, it gives you a little more insite on some of the people you meet on the boards. Are they quick to judge, logical thinkers, etc...

As you can see it with just those two the people on this site are fairly half and half which is pretty good for debates.

[Isendre]

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lol Ya know i consider myself lucky to be on Alexander , i keep reading about the things you guys talk about goin on on other servers and i just dont see or hear too much on alex... course we do have our problems but i should count myself lucky to live blissfully in my ignorance :depress:

[Enialas]

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ok i tried to read the whole thread on how someone can steal gil from another player?

did they just throw gil in trade window and hit ok without waiting for other player to put item in? or hold the left arrow when entering something in AH? if so, the concensus of WoW players, well, they had no sympathy. it's like taking paying 10k instead of 1k gil to extreme, but it does ask to confirm. I learned from that mistake, i make sure i'm not in too much of a hurry at AH. i deserve to have lost the 9k gil because i wasn't paying attention, because i was in a hurry. I can only be glad I lost 9k gil instead of making such a mistake in a moving vehicle.

since THFs cant mug or steal gil from players I just dont see how otherwise it could be done.

[Jei]

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well if it's done in game it can only be via tricking i guess.... like the crafters who steal the resources but in this care the money... : /. ?

out side game I've heard quite a lot about account hacking whether it's true or not. But supposedly some 3rd pary apps you run maybe able to monitor and capture your usename/password when you try to log into the game and send it to the apps owner...

[fastcart]

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Try reading:
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48894

Getting gil through lying or fraud is against the rules now. Stuff like pickup BCNM runs can lead to this somewhat.

[StealthSoul]

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Oh my god o.O How gay

[DakAttack]

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well if it's done in game it can only be via tricking i guess.... like the crafters who steal the resources but in this care the money... : /. ?

out side game I've heard quite a lot about account hacking whether it's true or not. But supposedly some 3rd pary apps you run maybe able to monitor and capture your usename/password when you try to log into the game and send it to the apps owner...

I don't think this is possible when you automatically log in. Some people hide keyloggers in other legitimate programs that will copy every button you press into a word file then send it to an email address or something similar.

I play on a private computer where I keep my information saved so I don't think I'd ever have a problem with keyloggers, but I don't think I'd be foolish enough to install one without knowing either. >_>

[Macht]

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I don't think this is possible when you automatically log in. Some people hide keyloggers in other legitimate programs that will copy every button you press into a word file then send it to an email address or something similar.

I play on a private computer where I keep my information saved so I don't think I'd ever have a problem with keyloggers, but I don't think I'd be foolish enough to install one without knowing either. >_>

You are right, keeping it saved will prevent Keyloggers. However there's no point to use a keylogger in that situation when all they need is the specific file or string from you registry that your password is hidden in. That makes it even easier, because they don't have to wait for you to type it, just strip the data that's already there.