Windower Bans

[Kailea]

Re: Windower Bans

could we stop talking about drugs, and get back on topic, and dont forget to install your WIndower :p

[Duryza]

Re: Windower Bans

ever heard of an overdose? if you dont know anything about drugs please dont try to talk about it.

Why the hell not, it's good to talk about things, that's how people learn.

You should tell him what could happen, could save his life.

[little ninja]

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came across this version of what cheating means



4. noun. In video games, a code (whether secret or published) or a series of movements (whether intentionally programmed or a glitch or coded by the player) input by the player in order to achieve one or more of the following:

a. enhance one's abilities in game play such as unlimited ammunition, enhanced or normally unavailable weapons, or God Mode;

b. unlock hidden easter eggs

c. unlock otherwise unavailable levels of play (see the Mario series of games)

d. (when coded by the player) to gain an unfair advantage in multiplayer competition

[Anaki]

Re: Windower Bans

came across this version of what cheating means
d. (when coded by the player) to gain an unfair advantage in multiplayer competition

thats windower isn't it?.

what i wanna know is did the guy just say "i got a windower today" or did he say something else?

[TheGrandMom]

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d. (when coded by the player) to gain an unfair advantage in multiplayer competition

Yes having a windower gives players an unfair advantage over people who do not or can not have one. The windowed player has much more useful information at their finger tips than other players. Imagine 2 people in Castle Oz trying to get to a coffer for their AF. Player 1 has no map and no idea where the coffers spawn. Player 2 alt-tabs and finds a map online that shows where the coffer spawns are. Player 2 gets the coffer first. Thus he had an unfair advantage over Player 1.

But I don't think thats what SE is worried about with these current bans. Word of mouth gets around about other things on websites that host d/l's for a windower. Soon other links are posted for more malicious cheats and people are tempted. Not everyone will try them but some will. So before it gets out of hand, I think they are trying to make examples of people. Too little, too late in my opinion.

[Corrderio]

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I'm still a little shocked he was banned for 96 hours, then again, I guess because he gave out the address to the site and told about the features, I can see it as a reasonable punishment

Anyway, yes the windower is still a cheat, I can see where it would be helpful so the game isn't shut down due to a single pop up, but with the recent hacks that went around and the features like TP Party, I can see where SE is starting to take action against this type of stuff.

[tazirai]

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Dont knwo what to say on this subject really.. except man...

[Kailea]

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Yes having a windower gives players an unfair advantage over people who do not or can not have one. The windowed player has much more useful information at their finger tips than other players. Imagine 2 people in Castle Oz trying to get to a coffer for their AF. Player 1 has no map and no idea where the coffers spawn. Player 2 alt-tabs and finds a map online that shows where the coffer spawns are. Player 2 gets the coffer first. Thus he had an unfair advantage over Player 1.

No this is called, knowing where to get your info, Windower was not the cause of the "unfareness" in this matter. Both players had access to the info, but player 2 could access the info at anytimewhere as Player 1 would have to get it before loging in or look at another monitor, not windowers fault that plaer 1 did not prepare for the coffer hunt.

[TheGrandMom]

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Oh so what your saying is that no one should need a windower because we should all be prepared in advance and before we log on we can print out whatever we need. Hmmm, good point. Thanks for making it.

[squeakymikey]

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Oh so what your saying is that no one should need a windower because we should all be prepared in advance and before we log on we can print out whatever we need. Hmmm, good point. Thanks for making it.

=D Thank you.

[little ninja]

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Oh so what your saying is that no one should need a windower because we should all be prepared in advance and before we log on we can print out whatever we need. Hmmm, good point. Thanks for making it.

its sad but true. how many people ask me for help, so i say ok because im bored. then they go on to say they have no clue what they need to do, or who they need to talk too. hell most players in the 60's still have no clue what skillchains they can do with other jobs. or i get tells when i farm even when im anon from players who want me to lead them to coffer points.

as to further comment about players 1-2. long before the windower. i marked everyone of my maps, coffers, nms, an harvesting points..

[Ockman]

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I'm not afraid of saying my opinion as some people might know, but I'm tired of SE not working for their customers instead of against them. They still have not really effectively stopped gilsellers, and the windower I do not think constitutes any threat to people who play FFXI! I don't use it, cause I play on PS2 mostly atm, but it's useful to players in partys to be able to see the TP of others. Why the hell even release the game on WINDOWS if it can't be played in a WINDOW!

They haven't stopped inflation one friggin bit, and they're giving legit players a hard time for using a windower. That's bull shit! You haven't heard one story about a person getting banned for hoarding a NM camp, or using NM bots, not even fishing bots, they just changed the game for all players, making things just as hard to get, and not making it any easier for players who play legit.

I love FFXI for it's core game, but for it's customer service, and sometimes community (no offense to anyone here), it's one of the worst. I've met more rude greedy people in FFXI, than I ever have for other mmorpgs, and square-enix just doesn't seem to give a damn that people have been loyal to the game for so long, giving their monthly fee for years.

Some other MMORPGs, if there's a unexpected problem with the servers, and they have to take them down, they'll reward the players in some way, like SWG once gave double xp to all the players for a week because of a server problem before. Square-enix didn't do jack shit about that 18 hour maintainence that seemed to just pop out of the blue not long ago. That's 18 hours that we're paying for but didnt have access to. Time is money in these MMORPGs, and when we're paying for the service, we wanna be able to have access to it all the time, and enjoy the experience. Not pushed to the point where it pisses us off!

This is all kinda off topic, but my point is, square-enix doesn't seem to give a damn about us customers. Makes me wish I could just put down the game sometimes, but I can't.

[DakAttack]

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Sounds like you're disgruntled. FFXI has more successive up time than any other game. You can play for a month straight, and then an 18 hour maintenance kills you? What about those who play WoW and suffer daily server crashes? I don't know why they put up with it. We're lucky.

I'll admit they havn't really done much community-wise. As long as one player isn't using the windower they'll see it as an unfair advantage and wont allow it. Stopping gil seller wont do a damn thing for the economy. It can still change crazily if people farm for their own money, there's no stopping it.

[Manatra]

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Well, quite frankly, many of the functions in the Windower should be implemented into FFXI (the ability to see debuffs etc. on a player would be very nice, but anyway..).

But one of the major things all along that I believe has hindered SE is that they have no real open line of communication between themselves and the community. It is almost non existent. You do have the "suggestions" thing in POL but, it's not really a form of communication, and I'm not sure many players use it at all. Thus, SE really tends to come off as isolating itself from the community of FFXI.

One of the positives about many MMORPGs in development and ones currently on the market is that they have realized that keeping an open line of communication with their customer base is important. And looking at WoW as an example, although their forums are flooded with massive amounts of spam and trolling (which is typical of a forum of its size), the developers are able to get a very good feel of the community, as well, they actually personally respond to player feedback. Along with that, the developers of various MMORPGs also make their presence known on various community website forums (which ffxionline.com would fall under), not just on 'official' websites.

Sounds like you're disgruntled. FFXI has more successive up time than any other game. You can play for a month straight, and then an 18 hour maintenance kills you? What about those who play WoW and suffer daily server crashes? I don't know why they put up with it. We're lucky.

When FFXI was in its first year of release it wasn't exactly the most stable game either

[TheGrandMom]

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I've found that the country where the MMO originates reflects on how they deal with the players. The majority of Asian games that I've beta'd and played have had a very standoff attitude when it came to listening to the player base. European and American companies seem more open to complaints/suggestions. Many MMO's just have the attitude that it's their game, they'll do with it what they like, and you can either play or quit. Granted not that great but they do have a point.

I've also seen when a large portion of the player base demonstrates in some manner to the producer that they are unhappy with some issue, changes can and do happen. But again, speaking together with one voice and a large voice at that, is not always an easy thing to do.