Emergency update

[CarbonFibre]

Re: Emergency update

Yeah someone in my party last night was using these things running up walls in Bibiki Bay.

[Jonnyram]

Re: Emergency update

How are these cheats technically achievable? I guess there are no checks at the server end for foulplay like this, but I imagine they'll implement something soon.

[Xyphere]

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Playing without the windower is killer... (@_@

[Jei]

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I guess the limitaions about where you are allowed to run to is processed on client side. So if that cheat can bypass those checks then it can allow you to go everywhere.

[Shiro_Hayate]

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It's so sad how we all do things to entertain ourselves when LFG yet the game is supposed to entertain us....Square's cheating away our money! But I don't care =/ lol

[Jonnyram]

Re: Emergency update

I guess the limitaions about where you are allowed to run to is processed on client side. So if that cheat can bypass those checks then it can allow you to go everywhere.

AFAIK, it's not just the client side that handles this, though. Warping and clipping rules were only allowed on test servers previously. It's possible faster running can be achieved through playing with data packets, but has there been some new security hole introduced by accident perhaps.

[Russta]

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The patch did nothing lol...

[Skygto]

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It screwed up the windower for a good few hours ^^

[kuu]

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Guess S-E wasn't ready for so many needed patches. There is going to be a large round of updates.

Let's just hope that they don't do a roll back(which S-E has never really done).

Besides the fact, that these hacks = easy banning. Feel sorry for the GMs working overtime though.

The most problematic is BCNMs where there is no one to report you if you cheat.

I can see 2 things happening, Ranpant cheating, and S-E forces to shut server down before it crashes our economy, and fix it decisively.

Or GMs go ban crazy till everyone steps lightly till the fixes come in.

[Siber]

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I'm not sure how dependant if at all these programs are on the Windower.

The only dependence they had on Windower was so that you could run them; they didn't specifically need a windower if someone set up some sort of script to run them either outside or inside FFXI. The hacks (6 programs, only 4 of which I'd say were hacks though) either ran in a command prompt like window or in an actually programmed frame with buttons and everything, and so to use the buttons, windower is required so that FFXI doesn't lose focus and get that error.

If this patch didn't fix the hacks themselves, that's a shame. I'm not really worried about the plain teleport one as much as I'm more worried about Mr. Argus becoming (well) known on how to use it.

[Macht]

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Sadly from the sound of it, I would guess that update was an attempt to temporarily stop the windower. I bet they were hoping for it to last for at least a week or two till the actual update came out which hopefully had a more definate solution.

As for the walking on walls and teleporting I would guess it's due to the client. Were a character position is at does appear to be dependant on the client, if it was server side then were everyone could go would be consistent. I know that isn't true by the fact that the PS2 it is basically impossible to get onto the side railing of an airship or things along that line.

That already proves were players are located is determined by the clients. So I could see that player themselves controlling their own character and doing stuff like that, but what I find intresting unless I missunderstood is that a player to could send another that isn't their character to another location?

If that is the case then apparently SE was trying to hide the fact that player location isn't determined server side by having the clients agree on each player's location? o.O

Though if that was true also then that was a bit shotty programming for other client confirmation of were a player is going. Not to mention the latency it would cause, only other thing I could think if they are controlling other PCs that are not theirs is maybe the server side is a little too trusting of the data coming in?

[Miriamel]

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Macht, if it were to stop the windower, they could certainly think up something better than just keep FFXI on top of everything, hence having no effect on running outside programs (all you need to do is run XI in a lower resolution than your windows). It's slightly annoying, yes, but you can still do everything you could before.

I think we can all agree on this patch being a failure though.

[Russta]

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The point of this patch was to specifically stop the windower. Why single out the windower? It's because the hacks that are currently "doing the rounds" rely on being activated on-the-fly and Square are powerless to stop them. Certain things they coded into the game can be manipulated client side so it's just a matter of not being caught using them.

[Miriamel]

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Except, you know, the patch doesn't stop the windower. Even without the windower fixes released post-patch, it doesn't stop it.

[kuu]

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Or more likely, they don't know how to fix it, or rather in the time span required.

You would have to do some major updates and make sure nothing breaks to fix this. S-E was faced with closing server down, or do damage control.

The july update should most likely fix the Mr.Argus as it's basically a memory reader for mob IDs, and it's probably very sensitive like ffact is sensitive to updates. And since the creator reportedly quit, it won't be updated, and goes back into hacker underground.

Until then I expect GMs to be on high alert and Jump on any nOOb that blindly uses it without thinking.

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