OMFG! SE is nerfing NIN and RNG!!!

[Caspian]

I do figure that rng's dmg will stil be greater and am hoping atleast that I dont see much of any drop in dmg after this patch takes effect (seeing how Im always in normal parties fighting the stuff I would normally be fighting at my lvl). What I dont like are all the other DD's saying somehow its my fault they're doing this and that it should be done to lvl the playing field. I'll say it one more time...
This is the only job that for immediate purposes, throws gil at a mob to fight it!
I dont mind having to stand a few feet away or whatever to do dmg, I actually kinda like it since it means there will now be a more clear cut line b/w rng's trying to be good, and rng's trying to get to 75 as fast as possible. I'll understand the dmg reduction if it only means I cant fight mobs 5-10 lvls higher than what everyone else is fighting at my lvl. I will be pissed however if I'm doing noticably less dmg than I was a week ago on the exact same mobs at the exact same lvl, and I think I have a right to be a little peeved about it. Im only lvl 46 and I still spend over 100k a lvl on ammo, shihei, and food.

On a side note I have a question that I'd like opinions on:
In a fight where you're kiting a lot (kirin, KB) do you think the distance to dmg calculation will be based on the distance when you initiate your ranged attack, or when you actually fire?
Only time will tell for sure, but I'm curious what everyone else is thinking.

[Jei]

im thinking the time you actually fire.

[Caspian]

Originally posted by Jei
im thinking the time you actually fire.

That would totally screw kiting...which may be what they're going for.

I'm hoping that its based off initiation. The only support I have for that is now when you attempt to shoot and the mob has alrdy run behind you it tells you that you cant see it, but if you've alrdy hit ctrl+d and then it runs behind you, you'll still hit the mob.

Gonna make hate control EXTREMELY important if it is based off when you actually fire. Cant have the mob bouncing around like a pinball and hope to get full power shots.


Another sidenote, wonder if standingin the right spots will help with crits...

[csBahamut]

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Originally posted by Jei
im thinking the time you actually fire.
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That would totally screw kiting...which may be what they're going for.

Have you every tried to shoot a moving target with a Bow and Arrow? It's not as easy and hitting your /ra macro, that's for sure! Just makes sense that only those skilled with timing will be better, just like if they were doing it in real life.

Only SMN and BLM will be able to deal damage consistently. true

Not really. Leviathan does like 700-1000 damage every minuite I believe, assuming he doesn't miss. Ask any BLM about how consistant their spells are. They'll tell you how often they're resisted, even with SC's to help. BLMs need SC's to be resisted less. RNGs don't need that kind of support. Sure, Preludes help RNGs, but they can easily do without as well. SC's make a huge difference for BLMs.

they should fix Dragoons not nerfing other job, dragoons!!

DRGs are fine. People just haven't learned how to effectively play them. My bro is always one of the top melee on gods, including being the top melee DD. I'm not sure how many times a DRG's wyvern attacks per minuite, but add up 30 average damage per hit against Kirin. Can't bee too bad, compared to other melee that can't even hurt Kirin with regular attacks.

[Kilgraw]

There's going be a lot of dead taru black mages after this update.

Btw, this destroys any chance of duoing anything as Rdm/Nin... How's a man suppose to show off? :dead:

[Rones]

With an Educated Guess... I am guessing that in order to achieve Maximum damage;
With a Gun, you must be 1-2 Steps Away from the Monster.
With a Crossbow, you must be 3-5 Steps Away from the Monster.
With a Bow, you must be 6+ Steps Away from the Monster.

Realistically speaking, thats how I think it would be. You don't see the Archers in Medieval Times standing 3 inches away from their Enemy, blasting Arrows into them. They are usually on the castle walls shooting arrows from afar. I have no idea, but I am sure those mathematics and physics such as inertia and gravity and velocity and what not, come into play when shooting an arrow.

Guns on the other hand... If you were to fire a gun at someone's head at point blank range, their entire head would pretty much explode, whereas if you were to just shoot someone from far away it would leave a smaller hole.

Your attempt at physics is pretty off. :sweat: For all weapons, projectile speed is going to be at maximum at the shortest range. Only thing affecting the speed is air resistance, which is negible for the distances expereinced in game. Medievil archers shot from castle walls because it was the safest place to be. Their arrows did get some added velocity from gravity as they descend on the enemy, but the horizontal velocity is going to be near constant. Archers were devasting to enemy ranks if they got a salvo off at point blank range. Just to further explain, gravity doesn't slow down arrows. Arrows/bullets just increase in downward velocity during flight while the horizontal velocity continues unchanged (except for air resistance).

As for the gun, it depends on the caliber and speed. Faster bullets will just go in one side and out the other exploding the head like you describe. Slower low caliber ammo is more likey to enter the skull and richochete around as it lacks the velocity to break out the other side. Yet, either way the distance would have a very minor affect on the damage caused by a round.

[Jei]

ug... that's a pretty good explanation... I can see brain exploding when i close my eyes now.

[little ninja]

its funny how people are crying there little eyes out that ranger is to strong. or nin is just too strong. yet we are all able to choose these 2 jobs. its not like we sat an magically programmed them for only us select few. we all had a choice. that choice was, what job were we taking to 75. its nobodys fault except yours...

1. ranger is too strong?? well tough chit!, your not the ones spending almost 500k a lvl on arrows, bullets, food, an blinks. they are. so yes they should have an edge over you.

2. ninja is to powerful?? well tough chit! were the ones spending our gil on blinks, debuffs, elemental powders, food, shurikens. an the worst part is when we die. we basically wasted not only our time, but a nice chunk of gil. while anyone else just loses the food they ate.

what it is. is a community of players who basically are jealous of the ninja/ranger life style, to lvl a job effectively that costs so much gil. eats away at other players. who are clueless on how to support such a job.

honestly im waitin for the update to see how bad it is. but dont think there will be many rangers around. if there 30k a stack of arrows only does as much damage as a thfs atk. arrow/bullet sales will drop. an the items to make them will drop in price. cause all the rangers will have quit.

[fuz]

So you prefer the game population to be ~20-30% nin and rangers he way it is now?

Why bother making the other classes then?

[Jei]

nin and rng don't get to wear the pimp hat im wearing ^^

[Linkoq]

Originally posted by little ninja
1. ranger is too strong?? well tough chit!, your not the ones spending almost 500k a lvl on arrows, bullets, food, an
blinks. they are. so yes they should have an edge over you.

hmm not sure , not talking about ninja'a ,
DRK = ? only using food during the exp . maybe some drinks to cover the mp
DRG = the same food only,
THF = powder , also ammo acid/??? , but thf will miss too much
not worth it in exp , + food
SAM= hmm food , maybe they will try to play rng's , not worh it again
BST= ( )
SMN= only food/drink
WHM= same
blm = same
brd = food only / sometime drink if they needed


Ranger = 10 stack of SB = 20~22k *10 =200k~220k
10 stack of DS = 18~19k *10 = 180k~190k
10 stack of DA = 17~19k *10 = 170k~190k

shihei = 99 Shihei = 7k~7.5 At least 2stack

please if i'm worng tell me

Originally posted by little ninja
2. ninja is to powerful?? well tough chit! were the ones spending our gil on blinks, debuffs, elemental powders, food, shurikens. an the worst part is when we die. we basically wasted not only our time, but a nice chunk of gil. while anyone else just loses the food they ate.

i agree

also the rng when we die , we lose gil+powder+food :sweat:

Originally posted by little ninja
what it is. is a community of players who basically are jealous of the ninja/ranger life style, to lvl a job effectively that costs so much gil.

Jealous!!

Originally posted by little ninja
honestly im waitin for the update to see how bad it is. but dont think there will be many rangers around. if there 30k a stack of arrows only does as much damage as a thfs atk. arrow/bullet sales will drop. an the items to make them will drop in price. cause all the rangers will have quit.

yup let's wait :dead:

[Linkoq]

Originally posted by fuz
So you prefer the game population to be ~20-30% nin and rangers he way it is now?

Why bother making the other classes then?

Why not?

i dont see anything wrong here, people want this, not our fault,
that's not reason to gimp a job because all people play it,


well ask SE why bother making dragon from the beginning if they going to gimp it like this ?

[Pounce]

Like it or not, S-E wants people to use all the jobs they have given you.

Don't like DRG? Tough. S-E wants you to invite them too.

People are not.

So S-E is forcing the change upon them.

NIN and RNG should get benefits for spending the gil that they do. But one of those benefits should not be totally sidelining other jobs.

[TheGrandMom]

You know all this "I should be more powerful because my job is expensive" stuff is just crap. Give me a break. You knew that the job was expensive when you decided to lvl it. You chose the job, no one forced you. So "tough chit", that doesn't give you any rights at all!

[Cali]

Originally posted by Jei
nin and rng don't get to wear the pimp hat im wearing ^^

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[Not referring to Jei]
So, basically, we playing the job we want is wrong, because some little kids can't cope with a little change to their little boring macro-spamming? Honestly, if you have the skill, this change would eventually be overcome, like a poster said earlier in this thread:

"This will seperate the real men, from the little boys"

Basically, SE orginally created NIN as an enfeebler melee, RNG as another melee DD with piercing weapon and good damge, so SE is just making it so everything stick to their plan(guess RMT isn't in their plan, so that's why they are ignoring them).

Just deal with it, you little crying kids can always wait for someone to write up a gamefaqs for you one day on how to do the new utsusemi tank, and ranged attack efficiently; and before that, play the 'unwanted' jobs, or just quit and cry til the guides come out, since that's all you can do, play what others have done, and walk their path to be 75 as quick as possible.