OMFG! SE is nerfing NIN and RNG!!!

[tazirai]

Originally posted by Ryan0617

All i am saying is, WAIT TILL THE UPDATE!!!!!!

This post for teh win..........

[Caspian]

I'm trying, I really am....guess I just got lucky that none of the past updates have really affected me.

[toan]

Good Job SE!

[ruffrydasean]

stupid comment.. but maybe they lessened the RNG's ranged dmg, so your ass can actually get in there and fight like normal melees... After all.. you do have weapon slots. And levae the pansy hiding away, far from the mob to the mages

So therefore.. you need to work on both your WS for melee and ranged

[Caspian]

Originally posted by ruffrydasean
stupid comment.. but maybe they lessened the RNG's ranged dmg, so your ass can actually get in there and fight like normal melees... After all.. you do have weapon slots. And levae the pansy hiding away, far from the mob to the mages

So therefore.. you need to work on both your WS for melee and ranged

Every rng I can remember partying with melee'd whilst shooting. Its extra tp.
If I ever used my tp to do a gust slash or viper bite my party would kick my ass and mpk me. Why do a ws on dagger and do 30 dmg when I can do a ranged ws and do triple digits?

[Mephisto]

RNGs very rarely stand away from the mob in xp >.>

[Linkoq]

Originally posted by ruffrydasean
stupid comment.. but maybe they lessened the RNG's ranged dmg, so your ass can actually get in there and fight like normal melees... After all.. you do have weapon slots. And levae the pansy hiding away, far from the mob to the mages

So therefore.. you need to work on both your WS for melee and ranged

fight like normal melees ? Hiding away from the mob?
please lvl ranger to 75 then talk like this , really do you want ranger do dmg like drg ? wtf !! ammo cost millions , i'm sorry but really this update didnt help anyone,


only the 2nd part from the rng's update , ok let's see



[[#]] - In addition, the higher the monster's level is with regard to the player, the less damage will be dealt with a ranged attack. This system is similar to that of melee attacks, but the difference in damage will not be as great"

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They're going to calculate ranged attack damage similarly to melee attack damage now. Before, ranged attacks were calculated differently. They had a certain "armor piercing" effect, and the monster's level did not affect the damage much.



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Now it sounds like arrows, bolts, and bullets will be treated like melee attacks, subject to the same defense and level based damage reductions as, say, a polearm.


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After the nerf, there will be no difference in damage between a RNG shooting arrows and a DRG meleeing, except those differences defined by the DMG/Delay of their respective weapons, and their WS's.





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e.g. After the nerf, if a DRG had a 80 dmg polearm, and a RNG had a 30 dmg bow and 50 dmg arrows, and the DRG had the same Attack as the RNG's Ranged Attack (and same Archery skill as Polearm skill, etc.), and they both were the same level and had comparable stats, then both would do the same damage to the same mob.

As it is currently, the RNG would do more damage than the DRG under these circumstances, despite all factors being equal as in the example above. After the nerf, their damage should be on equal grounds





that's really sucks,

[Icemage]

Blah blah blah.

S-E sounds like they're making rangers live up to their names by forcing them to fight (gasp)... at RANGE. What a concept.

This should make party dynamics with rangers pretty interesting actually, since there are already 2 position-oriented jobs (Bard and Thief). It should add some complexity to the ranger job rather than just spamming /ra all the time.

The people that will really suffer from this are bards. It's already hard enough as it is to get people to stand still for 8 seconds to complete a song. Thieves are already on the Bard's most hated list due to their constant need to change position, and with this change it wouldn't surprise me if rangers also begin annoying bards across Vana'diel in a similar fashion.


Icemage

[little ninja]

honestly i'm not worried at all now that i think about it, i doubt it will take the ninjas that long to adjust to the new patch. hell i mean we do have the gear to hold hate anyways. i mean if your using eminity macros. plus wearing some eminity. after the voke. by the time the hate spike goes down voke is back up. perfectly timed elemental spells, an debuffs. losing hate in an exp pt wont be nothing different then it is now. THE ONLY PROBLEM MIGHT BE HOLDING HATE LOSELY. but he will figure that out fast anyways.

as for sky mobs this dont effect my op. "let the plds tank it an die, ill just go in an clean up his mess"

[Linkoq]

ehh this update hurt Rangers more than ninjas :

*Changes to the ninjutsu "Utsusemi"
In the next update, the player's enmity will decrease when a shadow image created by Utsusemi is absorbed by an attack.

i'm also ninja i have no problem with ninja update,


that's nothing .. not like ranger update _ - _



do you think after this update the price on ammo will drop, since we will do weak dmg like all melees, why we buy expensive ammo for normal dmg, 22k SB and 18~19kDS , 19kDA ,


i was thinking , now the best job is blm and smn for end-game dmg , no more rng , that's sick




our job cost millions for nothing man... i'm really mad

if you are not Rangers then you dont know anything about ammo cost and Utsusemi powder , also food


Seriously i blame DRGs , SE Nerfed rngs to make drgs happy


now no good DD for god/kirin we all suck , SMN and BLM the best

[Jei]

Originally posted by Linkoq
Seriously i blame DRGs , SE Nerfed rngs to make drgs happy

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[Skygto]

This isn't a nerf and if it was Rangers have nobody to blame but themselves. They've gone long enough as the dominant DD in the whole game, totaly eclipsing every single other job. You had your fun at the top, it's time to come down a bit.

[Synbios]

I love "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING" posts.

[Drogen_Shomuro]

Well, I guess this empowers all the melee DD in two ways:

The first one is obvious, ranged dmg will probably take a hit against higher level mobs; no more lvl 62 arrowburn dhamel-killing-PTs in Bibiki.

The second is the utsusemi hate adjustment. To me, this doesn't make nin tank inferior, instead it forces people to adapt a little. One of the advantages that I've always believed a melee DD has over a rng is that they can sub thf for hate placement. Perhaps now on HNMs all the melee DD have a role as hate placement for the blink tanker.

Given the hate nerf, it'll probably be easier for a melee DD to turn the mob for a nice SATA back onto the nin. Like someone else mentioned, Rngs will probably become more effective fighting at a moderate distance from the mob, making them a less ideal choice for turning the mob to plant SATA.

Going in a little deeper, you can take a look at the renkei chart. IMHO, the two most effective jobs for planting hate with SATA are Drk (because even if SA fails, Soul Eater allows the WS to do good dmg) and Thf (because of Assassin). To make Light using Shark Bite or Ground Strike, It's up to a war or drg (two of the most unloved jobs) or sam to be their partner. If you want to make Darkness with Spiral Hell, then there's monk and drg. Evisceration? Sam, or a War with a GAxe.

To further reinforce this, every one of those partner jobs has something to help them deal with the short time that they have hate. Wars can sub nin for utsu, or make use of defender; Sams have Third Eye, Mnks have an assload of hp and counter and guard. Drgs.... eh, I guess my theory fails here. All of these jobs can still make use of blink and stoneskin from a smn though.

I'm not sure, but I believe that the hate from the renkei gets passed on with TA as well.

[ruffrydasean]

A handful of RNG I've PT'd with have stayed back with the mages... which is why I said that.. although it is a very very small tiny minority that do that.