OMFG! SE is nerfing NIN and RNG!!!

[kuu]

It will hurt HNMLS the most. Now they got a bunch of rangers, who do Kite style fighting for a living(not litterally) and have the rug pulled under them.

Anything from fafnir to kirin to BCNM99 you're going to have to come up with more sounded tactics than, "Bounce around with tanks, and Throw rangers at them"

Most of the better HNMLSs have already varied their ranks with CoP HNM, and not rely on ranged kiting,

But LSs who live on day to day old-school, "Go ranged kiting!" are going to find them sell in a jam.


Too earily to tell, but kirin is going to have a field day, if Rangers are forced to walk up to him to pull off sidwinders. I would laugh if S-E gives him a quote like "StonegaIV~ start running little punks "

[Izual]

This update is much-needed, and I for one applaud it. Maybe now the only people left playing rng and nin will be the ones that really love the job, and all the people that leveled them just to be 'uber' will give up and play something else.

[Linkoq]

Originally posted by Izual
This update is much-needed, and I for one applaud it. Maybe now the only people left playing rng and nin will be the ones that really love the job, and all the people that leveled them just to be 'uber' will give up and play something else.

no point to love the job if they do gimp dmg,

no point to waste Gil on ammo anymore , ammo very expensive

nin's update not like rng's , nin's still can solo like before still do
good dmg , still can tank ,


but rng's cost too much , to do dmg like melees not worth it,


also we will miss to much and do gimp dmg, the distance will hurt but ...

the higher the monster's level is with regard to the player, the less damage will be dealt with a ranged attack,









This system is similar to that of melee attacks



What that mean?



we are now nerfed to do less dmg.. think of it this way..



higher lvl mob = gimp dmg

farther distance away = gimp dmg





that's sad

[DakAttack]

That's reality.

Ninjas and rangers had an unfair advantage from the beginning, and now SE is fixing that. Maybe Ninjas didn't have an unfair advantage, that update came straight out of left field for them, but Rangers have had this coming for a long time.

They didn't do this to please Dragoons, we need changes to our Wyvern dynamics, not changes to other classes.

I'm all for the changes, they level our playing field.

[toan]

Originally posted by Impaction
That's reality.

Ninjas and rangers had an unfair advantage from the beginning, and now SE is fixing that. Maybe Ninjas didn't have an unfair advantage, that update came straight out of left field for them, but Rangers have had this coming for a long time.

They didn't do this to please Dragoons, we need changes to our Wyvern dynamics, not changes to other classes.

I'm all for the changes, they level our playing field.

i agree

they should fix Dragoons not nerfing other job, dragoons!!

after the update and rng's nerf


No more dealing high damage to sky gods/kirin or any monsters with a high level.

Only SMN and BLM will be able to deal damage consistently. true




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[Teffie]

Originally posted by Linkoq
farther distance away = gimp dmg

Firstly, Square-Enix never said that Farther Distance from the Monster = Less Damage.

With an Educated Guess... I am guessing that in order to achieve Maximum damage;
With a Gun, you must be 1-2 Steps Away from the Monster.
With a Crossbow, you must be 3-5 Steps Away from the Monster.
With a Bow, you must be 6+ Steps Away from the Monster.

Realistically speaking, thats how I think it would be. You don't see the Archers in Medieval Times standing 3 inches away from their Enemy, blasting Arrows into them. They are usually on the castle walls shooting arrows from afar. I have no idea, but I am sure those mathematics and physics such as inertia and gravity and velocity and what not, come into play when shooting an arrow. and No comments about Legolas fan boys please

Guns on the other hand... If you were to fire a gun at someone's head at point blank range, their entire head would pretty much explode, whereas if you were to just shoot someone from far away it would leave a smaller hole.

Crossbows well... They are pretty accurate and straightforward. Maybe Square-Enix will make it so that Crossbows do the same damage from all distances.

I think this patch helps since RNG's used to benefit from Melee TP and Range Attack TP. Now if they just shoot constantly they will have the ability to gain TP at the same speed as most melee attackers. (With the exception of SAM, whose basic function as a job is to gain TP the fastest... which RNG's clearly beat them in currently)




Secondly... am I the only one who noticed what Square-Enix said in the Patch Notes; (look at the Bold/Underlined)

In addition, the higher the monster's level is with regard to the player, the less damage will be dealt with a ranged attack. This system is similar to that of melee attacks, but the difference in damage will not be as great.

The difference in damage will not be as great.... -_-
RNG's already do a good 1.5x more Damage than every Melee. This patch will lower their damage to 1.25x?
RNG's will still be on top for doing Damage, They will just not be able to gain such fast TP as compared to other jobs.



Ice mage said it the best;

S-E sounds like they're making rangers live up to their names by forcing them to fight (gasp)... at RANGE. What a concept.

I just think Ranger's are over-reacting.

[Anaki]

similar and the same are different words >.<
when it says the ranged attack system is similar to melee it means its similiar in how it works it does not mean its the exact same in every aspect. meaning the damage a ranger does is less if the mobs level is twice as high but the rangers damage will still be alot

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

I knew SE was thinkin of some kind of nerf for rng
Last 2x cop missions bc rng officaly sux any other melee can do better damage easy (its funny cuz all other cop missions rng almost the best =p)

And since almost every melee lvd rng for cop missions and endgame so yeah SE have to fix that and they goin to fix it now >.>

[kuu]

No more dealing high damage to sky gods/kirin or any monsters with a high level.

Only SMN and BLM will be able to deal damage consistently. true

Mages are limited to their mp/timers. They are restricted to switch ins and outs in big battles, not to mention no utsusemi.

Rangers, while I won't say it takes no skill, but they usually happily pluck along. Though it's sad that they are cannon folder in terms of sacrifical lambs.

The expected change I see, is more well rounded tactics, similar to fighting the CoP dragons, or old, non all ranger fighting style.

The rise of Samurai's throwing as much skillchains as possible for mages to burst in HNM fight was a revivied style, when throwing rangers at a problem didn't work for new CoP.

Rangers will still hold a place, you just can't juggle around Kirin anymore, and have him run around in circles. You need people that know what they're doing, leaders that know how to take command, and bascially you need more People at Events.

Gathering people to kirin used to be well organized, and not sure fire win, Now it's a weekly event.

[tazirai]

Originally posted by toan
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Only SMN and BLM will be able to deal damage consistently. true
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not true.. people only see and belive what they want
Basically ..most people are sheep and follow the crowd.
Im a Summoner, Black Mage and Red Mage.. I know Dragoons in my LS that do consistant damage.. I only hear dragoon suck from NA really.
A taru in my Ls is a NA player, and used to cry about being un- chosen for PTs because he was a Dragoon. He changed his play style and started playing with more Euros and Jp and he shut up.
Only time he whines is when he joins ....PT's.

Originally posted by Ryan0617

All i am saying is, WAIT TILL THE UPDATE!!!!!!

TEH WIN!!!



You guys crying Nerf and speculating on doomsday really have no clue what S-E plans. Wait to see before making the alram bells toll.
But this is gonna fall on deaf ears. Its okay to talk about an upcoming patch but ..god all this, rangers will be gimped talk is really silly.

Yes Triel is a Mage, But Riesa is Melee, so I do have a clue what I speak.

[Russta]

Originally posted by tazirai
You guys crying Nerf and speculating on doomsday really have no clue what S-E plans. Wait to see before making the alram bells toll.

Whereas, to some extent, I agree with this what's the point of having a forum if we accept everything at face value?

[tazirai]

Originally posted by Russta
Whereas, to some extent, I agree with this what's the point of having a forum if we accept everything at face value?

/agrees with the taru, and looks at alram(alarm) spelled wrong:sweat:

[toan]

Originally posted by tazirai
not true.. people only see and belive what they want
Basically ..most people are sheep and follow the crowd.
Im a Summoner, Black Mage and Red Mage.. I know Dragoons in my LS that do consistant damage.. I only hear dragoon suck from NA really.
A taru in my Ls is a NA player, and used to cry about being un- chosen for PTs because he was a Dragoon. He changed his play style and started playing with more Euros and Jp and he shut up.
Only time he whines is when he joins ....PT's.

how not true? i'm not talking about exp , i'm talking about end-game god/kirin/Dynamis/HNM , tell me what job can deal damage like blm's and smn VS god/kirin/Dynamis ? after the rng's update
drg? mnk? drk? sam? thf?

i maxed merit point for my ranger , so only god/kirin/Dynamis left for me ,




WE still you blm's and smn's

[tazirai]

Originally posted by toan
how not true? i'm not talking about exp , i'm talking about end-game god/kirin/Dynamis/HNM , tell me what job can deal damage like blm's and smn VS god/kirin/Dynamis ? after the rng's update
drg? mnk? drk? sam? thf?

i maxed merit point for my ranger , so only god/kirin/Dynamis left for me ,




WE still you blm's and smn's

Well I guess youd have to tell that to the samurais and dragoon and warriors in my dynamis LS. They dont seem to follow your train of thinking.

Ive seen them take out mobs as fast as summoners and black mages(me included). its about having the right number of people and the right gear and strategy when in dynamis and on HNM.

I guess my Dynamis runs and the Few HNM runs ive done have been different.

We didnt throw rangers at Serket , we threw Monks Paladins Sam's and 1 Ranger( IMT only had 1 main ranger at the time.)
Against those birds in Sarumongue and Rolanberry we didnt have a million rangers.

Even My first fight against Kirin We didnt thru Rangers at it. We did throw a couple blackmages and me as Summoner at it. Which I promptly got eaten for being to close as the Paladin Kited him hehe!

But seriuolsy theres a lot more DD than just rangers .. people need to stop being sheep and come at things with an open mind.

Its kinda like every does some type of renkei where only light or Ice is the MB. Switch it up and stop being afraid to experiment.
people get lazy.. time to hit the gym.

[ruffrydasean]

yea.... a diff ele renkei would be nice every once in awhile... as long as it's effective...

The Nub PT i was in last night @ garlaige was using scission against the beetles @.@;