Isn't it sad they made this game so hard?

[hammy]

Re: Isn't it sad they made this game so hard?

NO job shines in all of them (SMN are horrible at Snoll Tzar, for instance).

rdm is pretty good in all ;3 even in promy grav helps if youre in trouble.

[kuu]

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What are we talking about again? Oh right, FFxi is not a 50-100hr game, nor are you THE hero, you're A hero....wait not even that you're just an adventurer.

The 2nd part of it, is you actually have to *gasp* Cooperate, I mean actual team work... to some people that's the most foreign thing in the world. I remember Rank3 mission, you have all these people go "This sucks I'm lvl 50 and I can't beat the dragon"....they never bothered to consider having actually party members...

[neighbortaru]

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you know, i'm all for cooperation. however, you just cannot cooperate with morons...

[Lacilie]

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i disagree. SE designed the game to be a time sink. They want to string you along, for as long as they can, so they can continue to collect the $$
why else would you need to be lvl 20 to get choco license? why else would said choco license quest take ~6hrs? why make it so you need to get to lvl 30 first before getting an "advanced" job?

If that's SE's intention, then they aren't really smart.

WoW is easy to level, and do people just quit at maxed lvl? Isn't there a huge fanbase for WoW even though it doesn't consume as much time as FF to do a single thing.

Time sink isn't a way to attract customers, it's more like an obstacle, I would assume SE to be smarter than that. They can only use the name "Final Fantasy" to draw attention for so long, when people realised the game doesn't have the "challenge" they look for, they quit. I don't think SE has the stupid attitude of "Leave if you wish, I don't give a damn about your money".

6 hours on chocobo license is simply because they wanted it to be real, because if the chocobo eats 6 meals a day, you'd have a chocobo of size of the whole Jeuno, stretching it's legs would crash half the map.

Level 30 1st before you can get advanced job, because advanced job was put in as an update during the JP FFXI time, and with that, they can offer more quests for people who were probably already close to lv30. However, to us NA-EU players who joined after those were implemented, we'd see them as a weird setting, but I don't think we want iRO-FFXI, of us getting update 2 years slower than JP.

[neighbortaru]

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Level 30 1st before you can get advanced job, because advanced job was put in as an update during the JP FFXI time, and with that, they can offer more quests for people who were probably already close to lv30.

there were advanced jobs before zilart if that's what you mean.

If that's SE's intention, then they aren't really smart.

Actually, I think they are smart as a fox. They put in just enough to keep people going, but not too much that they'd quit.

WoW is easy to level, and do people just quit at maxed lvl? Isn't there a huge fanbase for WoW even though it doesn't consume as much time as FF to do a single thing.

Actually they do. Ask Vinen

[Macht]

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WoW is easy to level, and do people just quit at maxed lvl? Isn't there a huge fanbase for WoW even though it doesn't consume as much time as FF to do a single thing.

I know approximately 100 people that could answer yes to this. Good chunk are former LS members that left and cameback after about a month. A couple of them I know are relatives or rl friends as well. Now I would guess a game to be holding it's own if all those people I knew didn't comeback but nearly every one I knew that left for WoW from FFXI or even from EQ went and left WoW and return to the MMORPG they previously played. A couple went to GW since it was free but they also had the extra time to still play FFXI uneffected as well.

[kuu]

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If that's SE's intention, then they aren't really smart.

WoW is easy to level, and do people just quit at maxed lvl? Isn't there a huge fanbase for WoW even though it doesn't consume as much time as FF to do a single thing.

Time sink isn't a way to attract customers, it's more like an obstacle, I would assume SE to be smarter than that. They can only use the name "Final Fantasy" to draw attention for so long, when people realised the game doesn't have the "challenge" they look for, they quit. I don't think SE has the stupid attitude of "Leave if you wish, I don't give a damn about your money".

And you, sir, have just ran into the Matrix problem. Instant gratification just doesn't work.

It seems we as human's want to be challenged, some more then others, and some some find more challenge then others. Time sink is just another name for challenge.

Actually that's one of the main reasons people leave the game, when challenge ceases. There are fun things to do, but fun things don't last. Just like it's fun to cheat, but you quickly grow bored, and move on.

That's why MMORPGs give content updates, new "time sinks"

WoW has a very fast pace system, but we know now that Developers realised they can't put in content that quickly. So WoW has the same "Leave if you wish, I don't give a damn about your money", just from a different angle.

Everyone wants the perfect forumla for "content" vs "fun" and some think they know it, but reality isn't easy.

[Viro]

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I can understand the intention of having people wanting to help eachother to proceed in the game. But unfortunately, the reason it's so hard is because of elitist people.


Take me for example, I really like the story of the game, and I always wanted to progress further, such as doing CoP Missions. I'm still on my first mission and I always wanted to progress to where ya fight the weapons and get to Al'teu, but the people will refuse to let me join the first CoP missions since I don't use a war/nin combo. (I usually use war/sam)

Even to level it's a nightmare. Of course that's to be expected since I'm a Samurai. But nonetheless, I hate how people won't take me because I don't use Ranger or Theif as a sub job. Apparently being a SAM/WAR ain't cutting it these days. Another thing that bugs me is that if I don't have these "great" items, I'm immediatley turned down for a group. The amount of money needed to get some silly item that will only give me like +1 to Acc, for example, is obsurd. Not to mention making money is not easy at all (well for me anyways, and don't flame me for that because I don't have the connections of people to fight in the BCNMs)

Reason being for not choosing Ninja or Ranger is that I never had interest in them nor can I ever the get the money to uphold them.

Unfortunately I'd say it would be the players that would make the game so hard. I know you can have friends or LS's that can back ya up, but it doesn't improve the situation when the people ya knew since Beta are long gone and the LS's are broken up.

Well I said my peace.

[WishMaster3K]

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I personally feel that my problem isnt the complication of the game. Even more so, I feel that if anything, we cant call the situation FFXI puts us in as "hard"

I've played a few MMORPGs and it is fairly evident that compared to the others such as Diablo, EQ, WoW and so on and so forth, FFXI has numerous pros and cons about it. However, take in mind that Vana'diel is a rich and vibrant world, and there is adenture bursting around every corner.

Its not like we get quest, run for an hour seeing nothing, kill one rat, return and get experience and guild points for 60 levels. In case no one realized, this game is a MMORPG, emphasis on massively and multiplayer.

Guild Wars can't be considered a MMORPG. They tried the free approach, but all GW does is give you an offline instance of a world and online cities and suff. Basically, its the glorified chatroom of glorified chatrooms. Everyone who played WoW and returned also knows all the criticism of that game.

Ultimately, I think the problem falls on what we expect vs. what we get. Very evidently, American Developers believe that American Gamers want hands on, intense, player to player conflict while getting an online experience. They are correct. But they failed at giving their games depth and longevity. Eventually, we all max our levels out. We must be occupied once that happens to keep playing. I personally know and learn from people who have been level 75 for a couple of years now. And although they can be a bit anal at times, the point is they continue to play.

The most important thing to remember is the first thing we see in FFXI before we play the game, and that is the warning not to forget friends family, etc, so on and so forth.

Despite how much i looove this game, I can look back and realize how much time I lost to it ; ; Maybe the game wouldnt be so hard if everyone decided to take a break for the afternoon and stretch their legs, and get some fresh air, instead of lfg in jeuno for a few hours and accomplishing nothing but running up an electric bill ^^

[Pounce]

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I'm fairly positive that the way FFXI is being played right now is *not* the way S-E envisioned it when they were designing the game.

Simply put, the playerbase is the biggest wildcard when you're designing a game. Right now the game is full of exp/hour worshipping elitist zealots. Now there's nothing wrong about wanting good exp, but so many people put it before everything else at detriment to both the game and many of their fellow players.

While there are many obvious timesinks in the game, I don't think S-E envisioned the whole LFGfordayswithoutaparty syndrome either.

I personally avoid as much "cooperation" as possible. If I can solo something, I do it, even if it costs me a fortune in potions or even a death or two. To me, the logistics of organizing a group usually isn't worth the hassle.

That's why so many people "don't cooperate". I know I'm not alone in this.

On the opposite end of the spectrum are people who beg for help for things they could have soloed easily 10 levels ago.

[WishMaster3K]

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Ah, how could I forget about the elitist. They are the ones who make an HQ item with +1 AGI cost upwards of a kagillion gil. One thing I DONT like about the game is the insane amount of time it takes to get anything done. I mean, why should I farm and take time off of leveling for a month of hardcore non stop crafting/farming to buy a Penitents Rope?

I mean, its worse when someone feels they can rag on someone cause of thier gear decisions and shyte. The Elitist kill the game with their one track minds. DRGs get TP like people on crack and can outdamage RNGs, yet they go LFG for days on end, and many people dont take the time to research their job to be 100% effective, so they end up being garbage and not knowing why because they never get party invites.

Samurai's have the potential to do a WS every 6 slashes (i believe with proper armor they can get up to Store TP +24 ) Yet Sams go LFG just as long

Monks are probably the most purest and straightforward damage dealers, yet the suffer from LFG also. This game is all nice and stuff, but SE needs to put their foot down and remind all who own the game. The Economy is out of control, there is job racism and elitism and in general, I'm remembering why I didnt miss the game for the 3 months I took off, and why even now I'm not compelled to play at every waking moment.

When someone retires, their friends are mad at first and compel them to stay. Then they get mad and say "more room for me" or "he/she could handle it" and all sorts of phrases, but with the current unbalance, this game is often unenjoyable.

[Vinen]

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there were advanced jobs before zilart if that's what you mean.


Actually, I think they are smart as a fox. They put in just enough to keep people going, but not too much that they'd quit.


Actually they do. Ask Vinen

a. Yeah, I quit WoW for the most part. I'm a Level 60 Rogue, Near Top Gear, Did Everything (No quests in questlog and did everyone that I could locate).... PvP in WoW was not for me, it bored me.

WoW is TOO EASY. If you don't want timesinks or any semblance of a challenge... go play WoW, you don't know what you want. You think you don't want timesinks hah. Yeah, right. No Timesinks = you burn through content faster then it can be developed. No Timesinks = you get sick of game faster. FFXI is a little slow I will admint (EQ1 was perfect). But, its far better then WoW. No Timesinks = you gain no feeling for your character (couldn't think of a better way to put this). I'll put it into a example in my case.

I have Vinen a High Elf Enchanter in EQ1, I have Vinen a Orc Rogue in WoW, and Vinen my Tarutaru in FFXI. Guess which character I could dipose of and feel nothing.

Yeah, thats right the WoW one. I have no attachment to that charcacter. He was so quickly leveled and so quickly geared that I don't even remember half his stuff. I have no memories of leveling with people... WoW is too Casual to the point the defintion of Casual is twisted to mean Unskilled.

Now take Vinen, my Enchanter. Every Item that he has on him. I can remember when I got it, and I haven't even played EQ1 in 2 years. I look at his epic weapon and think of the year I spent working towards it... and so forth. Same goes for my Tarutaru.

[Lacilie]

Re: Isn't it sad they made this game so hard?

I'm fairly positive that the way FFXI is being played right now is *not* the way S-E envisioned it when they were designing the game.

Simply put, the playerbase is the biggest wildcard when you're designing a game. Right now the game is full of exp/hour worshipping elitist zealots. Now there's nothing wrong about wanting good exp, but so many people put it before everything else at detriment to both the game and many of their fellow players.

While there are many obvious timesinks in the game, I don't think S-E envisioned the whole LFGfordayswithoutaparty syndrome either.

I personally avoid as much "cooperation" as possible. If I can solo something, I do it, even if it costs me a fortune in potions or even a death or two. To me, the logistics of organizing a group usually isn't worth the hassle.

That's why so many people "don't cooperate". I know I'm not alone in this.

On the opposite end of the spectrum are people who beg for help for things they could have soloed easily 10 levels ago.

That's all I wanted to say...

Anyway, I personally don't like the 'you can't do anything at all without a team' thing, I don't mind the whole waiting for party stuffs, or getting a party to do anything, all I need is, something to do with when I am waiting for party.

I always see the word "Time sink" as "wasting time" not "using time effectively", I don't know about your definitions, but to me, sitting in town, AFKing my life out waiting for party is a waste of time, sure, when I am playing my higher lvl job, I can go farm, but when I want to level low lvl job, I can only sit in town, as going outside = death, changing your job to something else(while waiting) [or] anon will just mean you don't want party...

[Kailea]

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That's all I wanted to say...

Anyway, I personally don't like the 'you can't do anything at all without a team' thing, I don't mind the whole waiting for party stuffs, or getting a party to do anything, all I need is, something to do with when I am waiting for party.

I always see the word "Time sink" as "wasting time" not "using time effectively", I don't know about your definitions, but to me, sitting in town, AFKing my life out waiting for party is a waste of time, sure, when I am playing my higher lvl job, I can go farm, but when I want to level low lvl job, I can only sit in town, as going outside = death, changing your job to something else(while waiting) [or] anon will just mean you don't want party...

You can do stuff by your self, just takes abit more planing. and Craft or plan out your next set of armor, or even just chill and chat withyou rLS, tehre are things to do, you just have to do them, and if you ran out of ingame stuff to do while seeking, heck grab a gameboy or a book or something!

[lilguy]

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lol i have been playing almost 2 years but im more of a pt player and the games only just comeing together (love the CoP missions good storyline so far)