best way to make $$$

[Akika]

Re: best way to make $$$

i'm still a newbie... only played ffxi for a couple of weeks, but i fish moat carps... in sandy (on my server) they sell 7k a stack. I usually fish at Knightwell in West Ronfaure

You can buy little worms from Lusiane (F-8 South Sandy). Best to be at lease lvl 5 fishing first....

[kuu]

Re: best way to make $$$

Make friends you can get along with and communicate and work together.

Then gil comes.

Synergy is really a part of ffxi, they're very few lone wolves that survive in ffxi, much less get rich.

Some examples are BCNMs, ENMs, Crafting, CP points/crafting, and even some farming.

Oh and don't skim on CoP areas.

Just runing around in a farming pt in a farily deserted place like rivine can net a good amount of gil. Most people shy away because of capped lvl40, but you'll be surprised.

Depends on server, but I bet you not many people usually farm there.

[ln14jr]

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Well, my linkshell died and I am in search of another. So I have no friends to go on farming with. So I farm alone... which is not half bad. Anyhow, I farm for Gausebit grass (you know, the grass you need to get your chocobo license). On my server they go at Jeuno auction houses for about 3k to 5k. There are slow times but these usually sell well.

I use the money from this to buy tree saplings to make fire and ice ores. Those sell for about 300k to 400k on my server. It takes awhile to haverst them (about 21-days!) but I think it is worth it.

[Rostum]

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ln14jr, you should just farm tree cuttings and then grow them into sapplings. Will cost less and you'll gain more profit.

[ln14jr]

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ln14jr, you should just farm tree cuttings and then grow them into sapplings. Will cost less and you'll gain more profit.

I tried farming for that once. Took forever for them mobs to drop one. So I said, forget this! I'm just gonna buy 'em. So when Saplings are out, I usually buy tree cuttings. I know it takes lots of time. But frankly these days, I have a lot of that. Lol.

[Moaku Hyena]

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If you are a White Mage, just pass out Teles. The cost has doubled on Ramuh (A tele costs 1k for Dem, Mea, Holla and 2k for others), though aothers insist on paying the old price.... Can't blame the WHMs for doing that. AH prices skyrocketed like crazy. PS: Mage's Ballad shot up to 560k (Just from 50k!!) last time I checked.

Also, beehive chips are worth a good amount. 19k a stack. I think Spider Webs are still 80k a web too. I'd have to see.

[ln14jr]

Re: best way to make $$$

If you are a White Mage, just pass out Teles. The cost has doubled on Ramuh (A tele costs 1k for Dem, Mea, Holla and 2k for others), though aothers insist on paying the old price.... Can't blame the WHMs for doing that. AH prices skyrocketed like crazy. PS: Mage's Ballad shot up to 560k (Just from 50k!!) last time I checked.

Also, beehive chips are worth a good amount. 19k a stack. I think Spider Webs are still 80k a web too. I'd have to see.

Yikes! Inflation is everywhere!

[ioshua]

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Mage's Ballad shot up to 560k

Jesus
Harold
Christ

I don't remember how I got mine back when I was playing but I do know that it didn't have anything to do with 560k. I weep openly for the FFXI economy. If SE could fix that, they'd get my monthly tithe again.

[kuu]

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I'll say it again in condense form since it seems to go through one person, and 10k to go deaf.

INFLATION does NOT mean something is wrong.

It's all about income. If you make 10k an hour and prices are 10k or if you make 100k and prices are 100k, it's fine.

If farming stuff are 20k, then it's a normal thing. The world goes round, because just like you want to make more money from farming, crafters want to make more money off you, or opposite, you want stuff cheaper, crafters want it cheaper materials.

Reason I have a pet peve about people complaining about 7k fire cystals. If you think it's too expensive, why are you buying 7 stacks of them, and not farming it? The sheer fact that you don't waste you time getting it is because it's better. Supply vs demand.

Getting gil is like any job, if it doesn't pay the bills move on to something that does. Like people stop going to BCNM A and do BCNM B.

[tdh]

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I use the money from this to buy tree saplings to make fire and ice ores. Those sell for about 300k to 400k on my server. It takes awhile to haverst them (about 21-days!) but I think it is worth it.

I used to do this, but it took too long, and I'd often then get something completely cheap and useless and it didn't even pay for the cost. Things have changed, so I've considered trying it again. I did however grow Platinum Nuggets for a while. I need to try and do that again, that's decent gil, and doesn't take as long as Ore does.

[ioshua]

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INFLATION does NOT mean something is wrong.

From a games design standpoint, I'll have to disagree. Sort of. Inflation means things aren't perfect. Rampant Inflation, as seen in FFXI, means something is most definatly wrong. Simply enough, MMO inflation is caused by too much coin entering the world and being spread around when compared to how much is leaving. It's a design flaw. In/Out on coin should be roughly the same. If there is too much Out (money sinks) then players have to spend a large portion of time getting cash to do what they need to do for the day. If there is too much In, prices rise and people, to maintain the status quo, are forced to spend more time acquiring coin and are afforded less time to experience content.

Both are equally bad.

Since FFXI does not allow every player to master every tradeskill, everyone is eventually going to be held to the pricing wims of those who can make what you need to play. And, due to gear prejudice in FFXI, "need to play" is a literal statement. To meet the demands of rising prices, the player must acquire coin of their own. They can farm it. They can farm items and sell it, which puts the burden of coin gathering on someone else. They can buy it from non-game coin sellers. Without a proper outlet for cash it becomes a vicious cycle of pay, buy, price hike, farm, pay, buy, price hike. Repeat ad nauseum.

The goal when perfecting a system is to have players spending as little time possible working (farming cash and sitting around) and as much time playing (running missions and experiencing new content/challenges) as possible. So yes, when viewed in the context of history, inflation can easily point to something being very wrong.

What you want is balance. Not too much In. Not too much Out. Just enough where players aren't handed everything they want (something a limited access, tradeskill reliant system is good for) but don't have to spend a large portion of their available time devoting to acquiring before they can actually start playing the game.

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Nice to see that SE's done something by making more player saleable items as opposed to pure cash farming (old fishing, gil farming groups, etc.). I'd be more draconian but it's a start.

[Aeni]

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I agree with ioshua. While FFXI is on one side of the spectrum, WOW is perceived on the other side (Too easy, everything handed out without too much effort, etc.) On WOW, I am within 8 levels of cap and I honestly can say I spent roughly 10% of the total time that I did with my main and that main character on FFXI is barely over level 70. In other words, 3 months of playing WOW has gotten me at a further point than playing over 2 years with FFXI.

I think the trick to having a good balance is to research other existing MMOs or from the standpoint of the game economy developer, the current MMO you're working on. I think doing both (Researching other MMOs and studying up on your own) will give a fairly comprehensive review and would allow the programmers to come up with a way to "tweak" or adjust the balance.

Unfortunately, FFXI is too saturated at this point where anything that SE does will just have a grossly negative impact. I'm hoping they set things straight for Fantasy Earth, their next MMORPG venture ...

[ioshua]

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Unfortunately, FFXI is too saturated at this point where anything that SE does will just have a grossly negative impact. I'm hoping they set things straight for Fantasy Earth, their next MMORPG venture ...

Pretty much the only thing they could do would be to:
1) Wipe all coin from the economy.
2) Insert huge (yet optional) money sinks at 50 and 75
3) Find all of the gil-sellers, kill them and put their heads on spikes as an example to those who would follow such evil ways.

If they only did 1 and 2 then people would riot but if they did 3 as well then maybe everyone would look past and be happy starting over.

[kuu]

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Nope,
do searches on similar threads, and takes more classes in economics/business.

Inflation is natural. There exist a terminology of "natural rate of inflation" in US, it was believe to be at 4~5% per yr, but has since been moved around, looking at various markets.

In mmorpgs, it reasonally higher. To put the 3 hour lecture aside, it's just because it's no fun to be to have the same amount of gil leaving as it is coming in.

Besides which ffxi has a pretty low inflation rate compared to many other mmo's because people don't actually "make gil" they make items. A large amount of stuff farmed are "items" not "gil" There is a big difference. You can find threads that discuss more on this issue.

Secondly gilsellers, produce very little inflation. They should theorically deflate, not inflate, since more items = less gil per item. They have other problems, but inflation is like blaming aids on gay black males, just because they're talked about in a decending light.

Almost any means to artifically change the market has put more hurt then help, as you can see(or rather we can't because we're having this discussion i.e notice how putting VE, argus, and lizzy in BC has only made it worse to, "fight unfair camping of gilsellers")

As long as what you make is decently ratioed to what you buy, then it's the natural order of things.

Crafting items like cystals, silk, beechips, honey, inflating is economically a good thing, because it's like having raised the minimum wage, to close the gap between rich and poor.

[tdh]

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Inflation can be argued in a number of directions, but Gil sellers didn't have much of an effect on inflation.

The prices sky rocketed, because of greed and a quasi-monopoly on certain items. When a certain group always provides a single item to the masses, they can control price, and their greed pushed those items to such a crazy price.

For example, Moblinweave is an item needed for one of the Gobby Bag quests. I don't recall which, but it's been high demand lately. It sold for about 20k, but none were in stock for about a week. So people started putting some up but hiking the price up. On a Friday I found a stack of Moblin Thread for 20k in Windy. I bought them and made them at cost for my LS. Monday I checked the AH to see if more were in stock, and there were about 15, all selling at 50k. All the while, the ingredients would cost you 7-9k to make one. So I made about 10 and kept them up, trying to bring the price down. I always put the item up at 20k, and it stayed in the 20k range for about two weeks.

Greed pushed the price up, and people finally under cut the price to bring it down to the 15k it's at now.