Haste Belt+%

[ZQM]

I recently bought a haste belt and wanted to see how much it added, and decided to test via Utsusemi. Figured I'd post the information for anybody else that was interested (I've never seen anything posted on the matter).

Utsusemi:Ichi
Normal Recast time=30 seconds
Recast time with Haste Belt=27 seconds
30*.9=27

Utsusemi:Ni
Normal Recast Time=45 Seconds
Recast time with Haste Belt=40 seconds
45*.9=40.5

Conclusion: Haste Belt adds around 10% haste.





If anybody else has information on the matter it'd be appreciated.

Note:

As far as the picture's concerned, my Utsusemi macro's are

Ni
/ma "Utsusemi: Ni" Nny
/recast "Utsusemi: Ni"
/recast "Utsusemi: Ichi"

Ichi
/ma "Utsusemi: Ichi" Nny
/recast "Utsusemi: Ni"
/recast "Utsusemi: Ichi"

Note2: It does stack with the spell Haste.

And here's test#2 (posting URLs to not mess up the page)

Ichi:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/haste3.JPG
Ni:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/haste4.JPG

[Tifa]

This being the Haste Belt with Enchantment: haste?

[ZQM]

Yes, the level 40 DRK/WAR/PLD belt.

EDIT:

Ahh, made a big mistake. Haste (Spell) only gives 15% haste (So I also assume March gives 15%). I never tested it much before, but I always though it made :Ichi 24 seconds and :Ni 36 (or 20%). Turns out that it makes :Ichi 25 seconds and :Ni 38.

45*.85=38.25
30*.85=25.5

My appologized for the above mentioned formulas. Edited out alot and will post new findings of the effect with both Belt and the Spell later when I get a chance.

[ZQM]

My appologize for the double post.

I have heard some people saying that if you have haste on then take it off, taking it off won't change recast timer and the recast timer will be as if you were still hasted. I have then heard people saying that it was wrong, and that taking off haste will slow the recast timer and it'll be a higher time then if you were still hasted.

So, testing it out:
http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/haste.avi

(A little under 7 MB, need 3ivx codec).

With haste, recast timer is 38 seconds as shown in the video. I am then able to recast Utsusemi at 37 seconds (You can look at the timeline on your video player if you doubt my text), a second earliar then what the timer in the menu said. Also, my /recast macro said I still had 2 seconds left until I could recast. So, after taking haste off, I actually ended up being able to recast earliar then later (Which shows just how good the menus and /recast is).

Also, testing out things with march (With the march instrument)

Ichi:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/march2.JPG
Ni:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/march1.JPG

(Links so as not to mess up the page).

As seen, March*2 adds more then the spell. From the pictures, anywhere between 21-23% Haste.

I then tested March*2+Spell.

Ichi:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/march3.JPG
Ni:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/march4.JPG

This would show March being 21% haste if the spell is 15% haste.

And for fun, If I did the math correction

Haste Belt (10%) + Spell (15%) + March*2 (21%) + Equipment*(22%)=68% haste

45*.32=14 second Utsusemi: Ni recast timer
30*.32=9 second Utsusemi: Ichi recast timer

*Rune(9%)+Dusk Hands(3%)+Dusk Feet(2%)+Panzer(2%)+Blitz(1%)+Byakko(5%)=22%

WAR actually has a 13% haste advantage over a NIN with speed belt, 19% without one. If you include dusk+1 feet, that's a 14%/20% advantage.

[Laehn]

I dont think it adds up like that. You have to multiply percentages I think, not add them.

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Doing the math correctly it comes out something like this.

45*.9*.85*.79*.78 = 21.2 sec
30*.9*.85*.79*.78 = 14.1 sec

[Apple Pie]

ZQM, according to the RDM guy over here, haste+ effect is capped at 41 - 42% as for the recasting time of Utsusemi:Ichi and Ni (= 17 seconds for Ichi and 26 seconds for Ni).

By the way, I checked how RDM's fast recast affects the recasting time of those.

NIN37/RDM18 (= Fast Cast I)
Ichi: 28 sec
Ni: 42 sec

RDM75/NIN37 w/o Warlock's Chapeau (= Fast Cast III)
Ichi: 27 sec
Ni: 40 sec

RDM75/NIN37 with Warlock's Chapeau (= Fast Cast IV)
Ichi: 25 sec
Ni: 38 sec

I recored a movies of this experiment but didn't edit them yet. I can post them later if you wanna see them. Anyway, Fast Cast IV seems to be equivalent to haste +14 ~ +15%.

[Lone Dragon]

How does this relate to weapon delay?

I've heard haste has a different percentage on weapons (33% drop, iirc).

BTW, isn't March only supposed to affect weapon delay?

[Laehn]

No, march has the same affect on other things like haste. March and haste are the same thing, march is just weaker unless stacked or when using brd 2hr.

[Bigokk McGock]

I have a couple questions.

You say Advancing March + Victory March = 21% haste, but what would they be individually? I was under the assumption that they are both 10% each. Possibly 10.5% each?

Also, how long does the Haste effect last when using the Haste Belt?

[ZQM]

Thank you Laehn for the math correction.

Actually, Apple, I got Utsusemi:Ni down to 22 seconds and utsusemi:ichi down to 15 seconds.

Ni:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/march8.JPG
Ichi:Forgot to take a screenshot :sweat:

I had dual Soul Voice march (~20%+~20%) (Soul voice doubles it's potency) + Haste Spell (~15%) + Haste Belt (~10%) + Rune Great Axe (+9%) + Panzer Mask (+2%) + Haidate (+5%)

With the equation that Laehn posted, I should have gotten 18 second recast for Utsusemi:Ni and 12 second recast for Utsusemi:ichi with that much haste. Therefore, the cap (Atleast when subbed) is 22 and 15 second respectively.

Biggok:

Yes, they must be somewhere in the region of 10% haste.
Victory:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmar...ch5victory.JPG
Advancing:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmar...ch6advance.JPG

45*.9=40.5

As for the length of the belt:

Begining:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/belt1.JPG (Did clock on when the casting % was about 80%).
End:http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/belt2.JPG

So 3 minutes, same as the spell.

So with 20 uses a belt, that's 1 belt per hour. 30k an hour to use it in a EXP PT. :sweat:

EDIT:

Oh, and Apple. Would you mind testing to see if you can get Utsusemi lower? It might be that this is the +haste% cap, not the Utsusemi cap.

With Dual Soul Voice March, Haste Spell, and Fast Cast IV:

45*.8*.8*.85*.85=20.8 second recast timer.

Also, is there anyway you can get another RDM to test Fast Cast II? And that's level 30 RDM, correct?

EDIT#2:

And Hastega from Garuda seems to give 15% Haste, same as spell

Ni: http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/Hastega1.JPG
Ichi: http://www.pplsdbz.net/~zquestionmark/ffxi/Hastega2.JPG

45*.85=38 second recast
30*.85=25 second recast

[Laehn]

Advancing March is weaker than Victory March. Im not sure by how much, but I can barely see any difference when I use Advancing March. Higher Tier songs are more effective than the lower tier songs in general. The only exception to this rule is when you first learn the higher tier songs and dont have appropriate skill to augment the power past the lower tier one. I hope that makes sense.

And, there will be a difference in results depending on instrument, so make sure the brd is using +2 march instrument for the best results.

[Apple Pie]

ZQM, I did one of things you requested. I'll post a movie sometime tomorrow but anyway for now,

> With Dual Soul Voice March, Haste Spell, and Fast Cast IV:

This allows me to have 15 seconds for Ichi and 22 seconds for Ni.

[Apple Pie]

OK, here we go.

Fast Cast IV + Advancing March
http://www5.sppd.ne.jp/grendal/FF11/...ent/amarch.wmv
Ichi: 23 sec / Ni: 34 sec

Fast Cast IV + Victory March
http://www5.sppd.ne.jp/grendal/FF11/...ent/vmarch.wmv
Ichi: 22 sec / Ni: 34 sec

Fast Cast IV + Double March
http://www5.sppd.ne.jp/grendal/FF11/...ent/march2.wmv
Ichi: 20 sec / Ni: 30 sec

Fast Cast IV + Double March + Haste
http://www5.sppd.ne.jp/grendal/FF11/...rch2_haste.wmv
Ichi: 16 sec / Ni: 25 sec

Fast Cast IV + Double March (with Soul Voice) + Haste
http://www5.sppd.ne.jp/grendal/FF11/...rch2_haste.wmv
Ichi: 15 sec / Ni: 22 sec

The BRD is LV73 and has Faerie Piccolo (March +2). Because RDM doesn't have access to Haste Belt, I cannot test it.

Victory March is slightly better than Advancing but the difference is very small as Laehn stated. Anyway, the cap seems to be 15 sec for Ichi and 22 sec for Ni since the result matches the one ZQM did.

[Lone Dragon]

Didn't really answer my question...
Are all these percentages the same for weapon delay?

Haste spell gives 15% drop for weapons and spells, or is it different as I've heard?

[Eternus]

+2 or +1 instruments only add to the duration of the song's effects and does nothing to modify the potency.... sorry but you can use +2 march instrument and will same strength march as if you didn't use a instrument only it lasts longer (also doesn't change resist either). Only thing that changes potency of bard songs is Soul Voice (doubles potency). Contrary to speculation the +2 Hymnus harp does not give RR3 and the +2 mazurka horn doesn't make you run any faster, I am sorry to break the bad news to you.