dear people who buy gil with real money

[Onte]

Jeez people, don't you have any morals?

I don't think a single person deserves to be judged and criticized by *you* for simply stating an opinion and/or sharing. Step off, buddy. So sorry we're all not filled with moral-goodness like you.

[csBahamut]

ever seen a gil buyer pay 10 million for a pair of glove's rare/ex scroll? (i think he paid 3000 usd for it heh)

So how is that fair to the other players that pay $13 a month, but can't afford the time nor real money to get such items?

[csBahamut]

I don't think a single person deserves to be judged and criticized by *you* for simply stating an opinion and/or sharing. Step off, buddy. So sorry we're all not filled with moral-goodness like you.

So basically, you don't care about how things affect other people, as long as it doesn't hurt you, or your fun.

[Kneebiter]

Originally posted by hatey
I don't like that people can diminish my work in the game by taking the easy route and buying it, but I've had my account disabled for almost 2 months now and my stuff will get deleted, my guy is 46 thf, 98 alchemy and I have about 1 mill cash and 4-5 mill in assets, I sorta have to do something with it, I'm out of work, have negative -400 in my bank and am eating really cheap ass food from money I mooch. ;p

Thats the thing, the only one diminishing your work is yourself, its all in your head. I mean how is your work any less than what you put into because some anonymous gil buyer have an new pair of Ochiudo's Kote?

csBahamut:
Once again, this fairness thing. There is no competition, its not like some gil buyer is there to take over your spot in a party every time they log on.

What about the people who plays at least 6 hours a day with awesome gear? Isn't that not fair to those who only get to play 2 hours a day with only decent gear?

[Onte]

So basically, you don't care about how things affect other people, as long as it doesn't hurt you, or your fun.

What does that have to do with anything I said? Seriously. Hello?

And no, I don't care about your fun. I respect your opinion but I don't give a rat's ass about your fun. I pay to play this just like you do and if I feel I need some sort of an "edge" to play it, then I'm going to find that edge.


(I do not buy or sell gil, I'm merely presenting my opinion)

[csBahamut]

What about the people who plays at least 6 hours a day with awesome gear? Isn't that not fair to those who only get to play 2 hours a day with only decent gear?

This is fair. The one person finds time to play, and they reap the benifits. If this isn't fair, then I should be able to simply pay a college $100,000 up front and just BUY a degree instead of doing work in school and studying.

Thats the thing, the only one diminishing your work is yourself, its all in your head. I mean how is your work any less than what you put into because some anonymous gil buyer have an new pair of Ochiudo's Kote?

Simple. If everyone can simply buy the item, then accomplishment is less meaningful to others. "Oh, you actually farmed for your own Kote? Phfft. You should have bought a pair like evrybody else." It's about respect for obtaining an item. Every time I see people with expensive items at low levels(and with low rank), I respect them greatly, because they probably worked hard to get that item. Of coourse, there will be people with friends and other accounts with lots of cash to toss around.

Can you answer me this? Why doesn't this bother you?

[csBahamut]

And no, I don't care about your fun. I respect your opinion but I don't give a rat's ass about your fun. I pay to play this just like you do and if I feel I need some sort of an "edge" to play it, then I'm going to find that edge.

I'm glad you repect my opinion, and I geneally respect other's opinions, when it doesn't have negetive effects on others. When one player doesn't care about what happens to another, this kind of train of thought will lead to(or give in to) doing things that are wrong. I don't trust these kinds of people, and I try to avoid them at all costs.

What does that have to do with anything I said? Seriously. Hello?

You answered my question with the other paragraph I quted above. And it has everything thing to do with it. Not yours alone though. It's that kind of line of thoght that will lead people to do things that will harm others. Why do people murder? Because they don't care about the other person. Why do people steal? Because they don't care about the other person. Would you like it if people didn't care about you? How about if your parents didn't care about you after you hit 5 or 6 years old? Would that be the kind of life you'd want? because that's the kind of thing "not caring" advocates.

[halfway]

Macht

to claim a gil seller is stealing from SE, you have to come up with some way they would get that money in the first place

130 dollars is a years worth of game fees, but less than a months farming for most people. I'm assuming you're suggesting they'll accomplish all they intend to sooner and quit earlier, but the math just doesn't add up.

As to it not being fair, life isn't fair. Not all people have that much time to spend on the game, but they still deserve the right to have fun. If they need an item that would take them months to farm for, or a few hours worth of pay to buy....its stupid for them to farm it. They'll most likely play with shitty gear and hurt their parties, or just quit

[Kirara]

Originally posted by csBahamut
So how is that fair to the other players that pay $13 a month, but can't afford the time nor real money to get such items?

tough luck,
can't afford a 10 million usd manssion?? don't live in one

[csBahamut]

The game is designed for certain things to be a level playing field. SE can't give you time, but they can reward those who spend more time playing. This is a game, not real life. Things CAN be made fair. It's the outside influences that are not fair. Some of which can be dealt with, some of which can't.

can't afford a 10 million usd manssion?? don't live in one

Say that after you live in their shoes.

[Demon_of_Elru]

hey demon_of_elru i only play 2 hours a day 5 days a week and i DONT buy gil i just play to have fun if i were to buy gil i wouldnt have fun with my friends farmin and oin other stuff

Well isn't that nice. However I cant see how that relates at all to my post. I never said anyone who plays 2 hours a day 5 days a week is someone who buys gil. I just mentioned how I can sympathise with the guy in that certain situation.

You're still missing the point, that $130 the guy would of spent to buy that gil is profit Square Enix is never going to see. It doesn't fall in the same reasoning at all, when you spend money on a hobby it's spending threw a company/auction/etc... that'll only be an immediate and temporary effect. When you do that in these kind of games they have a much more lasting effect and damaging.

So for a person to come to such a conclusion must not care about his hobby much if he's willing to damage it. Just likely hobbies and collections too, you spend lots of time to do the hobby. Also what kind of person would consider doing something like you said to their hobby? If I choose a hobby it's because I like it all the good and bad that come with it, I spend the time to improve my hobby not pay someone else to do it for me.

That's like someone who has a hobby of building models and he goes and pays someone to build it for him. How the hell can he call it his hobby if he isn't actually doing the work .

Hmmm who's point am I missing?

Anyway, ......ok maybe the word "hobby" was the wrong word to use seeing as you've jumped all over it, even though I STILL disagree with your reasoning. Remember “hobby� doesn't necessarily mean he gives a shit about the company. You seem to think whoever has a hobby means that they are devoted loyal fans in all aspects of it. Take a train model builder, he likes to build a train track and grounds, buys trains, houses, little model people and trees to use, but that doesn't mean he'll only buy one certain type of brand. He'll see one train with the name "Tonko" written on the side which costs $100, but he also knows a guy who is selling knock-off trains which have the exact same materials and name printed on but cost him $50......... that doesn't mean he's going to just buy the real Tonko brand. His hobby is BUILDING the track and getting it running, whatever he uses doesn't matter. He doesn't care whether the Tonko Company is not getting any profits; he just want to carry on with what he enjoys doing. It’s his hobby!

I only typed that because you don’t seem to understand that not everyone takes their hobbies as seriously as you.

If I choose a hobby it's because I like it all the good and bad that come with it, I spend the time to improve my hobby not pay someone else to do it for me.

Well here again you’re talking about YOU and how you view YOUR hobbies. Not everyone has the same views as you. For all you know, this guy may only enjoy levelling and progressing through game. Maybe that’s his hobby!

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OK, back to my example story of a certain gil buyer’s situation. Simply remove the word "hobby" and imagine the guy looks at it more in just a video game way. Less seriously, but enjoys it very much to spend 2 hours a day playing, he likes the game because he enjoys leveling and progressing (remember everyone plays the game for different reasons). So my opinion is still the same and stands as a valid point for buying gil (Remember its my opinion). Of course only if the gil is genually created in game using normal gil making methods.

So as long as these companies are allowed to sell gil, there will always be people in similar situations like the guy in my story who will buy gil with real money. Those people don’t really care if the company doesn’t get any profits from there purchase, they just want to continue to pay there monthly fees and play through the game in the little amount of time they have. If the gil is created using an honest method, then they cant see any problems with it (nor can I). And if they where unable to buy gil for that special item they need, they would have probably quit the game and then SE would not be getting any monthly fees from them.

Remember, I'm not saying I stand by gil buyers in total support because I dont! I disagree with a lot of gil buyers for the reasons they buy that gil. But I just think it’s important to point out situations where honest people need to buy gil to continue to play the game they oh so much enjoy. Because they are limited unlike other players who can freely play the game for as long as they like.

PLEASE READ~!

I'd also just like to point out that I understand that there WILL be long term damage to the game with people buying and selling gil. However its inevitable and these things will always be happening as long as those gil selling companies are still in business AND as long as the game will be so money related.

The whole reason of my last post was to point out to the people who where calling names that their isn't always one side to the story and if you ever really knew why "some" people bought gil, then I think the name calling is very arrogant of you.

EDIT:

To further expand on this. That $130 profit is not only stolen profit but it's support to improve the game that's been taken away from Square Enix. If they are not getting justified amount of profit to continue making the game then it slowly starts to kill the game. This money they loose out could of ended up as a new set of levels for you characters, it could of been new abilities, it could of been events, it could of been a multiple of things that Square Enix may decide against because their profit was damaged by these actions.

Well look again, your jumping on the word hobby and letting everyone know your views about that word. Read what I typed above.

….I think YOU are the one who’s missing the point.

[JP_Ikari]

Haha damn, another thread that's long and another that's about something illegal. In all fairness, if people can afford it like what these 3 or 4 people have been saying (sorry I can't remember yer names, I know demon is one so there's one YAY!), then let them. It shouldn't let it bother us. Even though we'll get shafted for someone that has a Haurbergeon +1 cause he can afford the 10mil gil for just $100.00, hey that's fair. We have to live with it right? That's what is pretty much has being said here. No they're not idiots, no they're not stupid, nor are they DUMB for spending real money in an item, in a game that has no monetary value outside what-so-ever. If they can afford it with real money and are willing to cough up that real cash, well they're more than welcome to do so.

All we "people that has morals and your don't need to push your morals towards me" can just sit back, see how bad it will get, and say "well, I guess we have to live with it". That's what they want to hear, but guess what, you won't hear that. Not from me, not from Lion, not from CS, and definitely not from any high level LS's that's out there in the game that did their fair amount of time in the game to get to where they're at only to see someone that is a casual player, but since he can afford $100.00 for 10mil gil, can compete againts them. *sigh*, I'm done with this, since there's never a definite answer for this problem. Until S-E figures out all of these illegal stuff that's happening in their game, it will happen, over and over and over.

Ikari

P.S. Making profit out of another companies property, let it be data/chips/motherboards/system/car parts/etc. is illegal.

[Demon_of_Elru]

Haha damn, another thread that's long and another that's about something illegal. In all fairness, if people can afford it like what these 3 or 4 people have been saying (sorry I can't remember yer names, I know demon is one so there's one YAY!), then let them.

Lmao!! This is exactly the type of person my post was aimed at! They all totally agree that its wrong to buy gil, but the funny thing is, they dont actually think about the possible reasons why some people WOULD buy gil.

These people will call other people names and accuse them of being lazy and stupid idiots, and THEN they talk about "pushing morals onto other people". Lmao!

Its called ignorance, and that statement quoted above is a classic example.

[Kailea]

1) This thread should have not made it past post 2........

2) Like some have said, if they can let them, there us nothing anyone but SE can do about it

3) Please just drop the subject once and for all

[fyrewyre]

Originally posted by halfway
to claim a gil seller is stealing from SE, you have to come up with some way they would get that money in the first place

First, if you spent time farming then your spending time on SE's game which they made so they make money that way so by cutting time on the game and sending that money to another player thats cheating the game.

oh and reading the manual i see page 143 article#3-3.1a, c and f prohibit it as well as page 141 article#2-2.1 paragraph 2
and page 133 article#4-4.4 E & J. Why is it so hard to follow rules? :confused:

To the other players, just think about this example:

Lionhart goes to hunt an HNM and comes back with something that cost 1mil in gil and sends it to the AH. That person in return after using it sends it back to the AH. Now someone comes along with bought gil and buys it what does that do? they buy it and that creats a demand for that item now when lionhart meets the demand of this new 'market' he then puts time into fighting this HNM and risk of dying which pretty much means that week he spent leveling is now lost cause he forgets to add exp mod in his mog ( ) so he looses exp/time but manages to get this item. Now the ah is full of them and they are flying off the handle but some players are now finished with this item so what do they do? they resell it. Problem with greedy players or players who want the fast or shortcut out is they will undercut or sell way below price so they can get that thing sold ASAP. Now when this item drops from oh say... 1mil to 900k thats 100k out of lionharts pocket and time lost. it continues to work that way not only for him, but other.. infact, hundreds of players. Now if you didnt buy gil online wouldnt you be upset that someone is making your time spent on HNMs or even NMs worthless?


Some of the better things should be EX -_-