dear people who buy gil with real money

[csBahamut]

Why are they dumb for buying gil, just because you say they are? And how is it not fair? Are we all in competition for who have the best equipment or who have the most gil? I just don't see how those people are effecting your game play at all except in your head. You will most likely never meet one of them and even if you do, how can you tell? And you can't say you will know because a player sucks at playing their character because theres sucky players at every lvl.

I wouldn't really say that they are all dumb, but rather, letting their greed get to them (and lack of morals or personal integrity). They see us players that spend time to get great gear(or read/hear that they need to have such-and-such equipement at such-and-such level), and they want it. Now, if I'm lfp in Jeuno or somewhere, and so is Joe-bob, and it comes down to who has the better gear for who get's picked. If I wasn't able to buy all HQ equipement(but has the good expensive equipement still), but the other guy could because he bought gil, then THAT affects my gameplay. You fail to recognize the impact that gil/item buying can have on a game not based on PvP. It may not be a direct effect(like an aimbot in CS), BUT it DOES affect everyone indirectly and can lead to more people buying gil/items. Would you like to be picked over for an exp party because the other guy paid $130 for his equipement?

You'll be amazed at the number of sucky players that get into parties. When there's no one to invite, people will take anyone (not me though, I'm picky). Getting good equipement and to high levels is a reward for your efforts, not how much money you throw at a game. If you spend real money to get equipement in a game, you really did earn it. You didn't work for it like everyone else (and real life work is outside the game, and therefor does not count). I'm glad AF is rare/ex and has to be quested for, or gotten from coffers. People can't buy rare/ex, nor the avatars. These things still have meaning, and show a sense of true accomplishment.

[Kneebiter]

Originally posted by LionhartPLD
because the existance and proliferating of such practices is what slowly detereorates games and makes them no longer any fun to play. Look at games such is Diablo , RO, EQ; those games used to be great games until assholes started corrupt shit like money selling botting etc. And I don't want to see that happen here.

btw /cheer StarvingArtist
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I call BS and you don't know what you're talking about.

Explain how their buying gil stops you from your HMN hunting, farming, grinding, quests or any other things. Like I said, its all in your head.

Diablo is shitty because of shitty b.net players, nothing to do with buying/selling items. It is still a great game.

RO I can't speak about because I only played it for a week or two.

EQ is only shitty to those without a guild or ones that played for so long that they're sick of it. Also Sony is part of the blame for making it not fun anymore with releasing expansions before they are ready and not fixing the bugs. Then again, EQ still have a huge number of players that still loves the game so you really can't say its not fun.

Botting and selling game money in no way ruined any of those game. So I call bullshit on your reply, you will not find anyone quiting those games because of bots or money sellers. Bad players and money hungry management did them in.

[Kneebiter]

Originally posted by csBahamut
...Now, if I'm lfp in Jeuno or somewhere, and so is Joe-bob, and it comes down to who has the better gear for who get's picked....

Unless you are wearing lizard armor at lvl 50, I have yet to see someone get chosen over another because of equipment. When you look for memebers, you check their job and their lvl.

Originally posted by csBahamut
You'll be amazed at the number of sucky players that get into parties. ... I'm glad AF is rare/ex and has to be quested for, or gotten from coffers. People can't buy rare/ex, nor the avatars. These things still have meaning, and show a sense of true accomplishment.

I seen crappy players in full AF and crappy summoners with all the avatars. Now a days you can't even trust people that are rank 5.

[csBahamut]

I call BS and you don't know what you're talking about.

Easy. Buying gil/items online become so big that LS group are formed to 'farm' HNM's, NM's, and other high yeild gil/item locations so much that no one else can get them except this LS, who will sell them online for real money. I remember hearing stories on a REALLY organized group in another MMORPG in beta testing. A group of people in Asia somewhere formed a business off of expensive/rare drops. They had people who would do nothing but kill stuff for the drops. If some other player came in and tried/actual got the monster that drops such-and-such item, then a Special member of the group would be dispached to remove the unwanted player from taking the drops. A thrd member would do the actual selling and trading. Something like this could happen with HNMs. A group could have people constantly grabbing an HNM(or NM) before any other group could. They could then 'charge' people real money to be included in the group for a chance at getting a drop. Or they could just sell the non-rare/ex drops.

Botting and selling game money in no way ruined any of those game. So I call bullshit on your reply, you will not find anyone quiting those games because of bots or money sellers. Bad players and money hungry management did them in.

You must not have any sense of pride or moral justice, otherwise you'd see things the way the rest of us do. Go take a look at those games again, and you'll see WHY it all went to hell. I quit D2 because of the botting/hacks/item selling, not because the game sucked.

Diablo is shitty because of shitty b.net players, nothing to do with buying/selling items. It is still a great game.

Hrm...you prove our point right here. Why do you think there were so many *shitty* players? Hrrmm...couldn't have anything to do with players wanting to do things the quick way, could it? Like i don't know, botting to save time from having to run endless Meph runs. Or buying that Windforce because everyone else has one, and you don't want to spend the time hunting for it? This statement you made right here proves you are able to see the real problem, but you are blinding yourself to it.

[csBahamut]

Unless you are wearing lizard armor at lvl 50, I have yet to see someone get chosen over another because of equipment. When you look for memebers, you check their job and their lvl.

They'd never get that far with lizard armour.

I seen crappy players in full AF and crappy summoners with all the avatars. Now a days you can't even trust people that are rank 5.

It's called REALLY kind JP players. Heck, I've helped people get things without bother to see if they are really qualified to get it. It's called being a "Good Sameritan".

[LionhartPLD]

Originally posted by Kneebiter
I call BS and you don't know what you're talking about.

Explain how their buying gil stops you from your HMN hunting, farming, grinding, quests or any other things. Like I said, its all in your head.

Diablo is shitty because of shitty b.net players, nothing to do with buying/selling items. It is still a great game.

RO I can't speak about because I only played it for a week or two.

EQ is only shitty to those without a guild or ones that played for so long that they're sick of it. Also Sony is part of the blame for making it not fun anymore with releasing expansions before they are ready and not fixing the bugs. Then again, EQ still have a huge number of players that still loves the game so you really can't say its not fun.

Botting and selling game money in no way ruined any of those game. So I call bullshit on your reply, you will not find anyone quiting those games because of bots or money sellers. Bad players and money hungry management did them in.

one of the main reasons I quit RO was because of the bots and manipulating of the game.

[lilschultzy]

hey demon_of_elru i only play 2 hours a day 5 days a week and i DONT buy gil i just play to have fun if i were to buy gil i wouldnt have fun with my friends farmin and oin other stuff

[Kneebiter]

So its all hypothesis. No big money making HMN LS own by some asian company right now is there? And its not going to happen either, you know why? Because of the lock on system, theres too much competition so it becomes unprofitable to camp any NM. There are teams of farmer who works for those companies but thats already been discussed in another thread.

Lionhart, you're already in a big HNM LS and you have a full adaman set, why are you so threaten by people who buy gil. Its not like they can compete with you or your LS. And you probably don't grind with people outside your LS or static party so you won't come in to contact with them. So why all the hate?

[Kirara]

the only reason the hate was spawned, is jealousy
"why is he rich, look at him he has 10 million gil, he doesn't deserve it, shit i worked my ass off for those equipment, he just BOUGHT them with real money"

hey... can't beat selling a pair of crappy crimson fingers (the scroll) for 10 million gil now can you

[LawDawg]

exactly.... someone call the freaking wahhhhhhmbulance or something... The thing is, the best items in the game can not be bought, and even the ones that can, go for obscene amounts of money... more money then a gil-buyer would TYPICALLY buy (I mean 5 million for scorp harness would cost more than $1000 irl money... pffft). Stop getting all dramatic over such a small problem... and YES the gil/item/player selling problem is so small in FF, I wouldn't even consider it a problem, more like an inenvitability (sp?) that comes with any MMO...

[Onte]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that the players who buy gil and game items are mid-level players who really have no chance of obtaining that "Wand of Mega Insta Death and Pie". High end players don't buy gil and items. High end players end up buying accounts to multi-box around after they've 0wned all the content in a game, but they don't buy gil. I seriously don't think that dude in Ebay gear is going to win out on group selection at level 60 over you. Mr Ebay rarely makes it above mid-levels. *RARELY*

This gil and these items are being farmed. They aren't being duped and injected into the game. Nothing new is being introduced to the game. Jimmy-bob farming gigas to sell gil on whatever site is merely killing mobs and selling gil. He's not ending the freakin' world - unless he starts claiming that farming territory as his own and monopolizing it.

I can understand peoples' distaste in the activity, sure. But I have no issue with Susy-Mae buying 500k to work on Leathercraft as long as Susy-Mae's supplier isn't duping the cash, ie introducing *fake* money into the economy.

[Kirara]

Originally posted by LawDawg
exactly.... someone call the freaking wahhhhhhmbulance or something... The thing is, the best items in the game can not be bought, and even the ones that can, go for obscene amounts of money... more money then a gil-buyer would TYPICALLY buy (I mean 5 million for scorp harness would cost more than $1000 irl money... pffft). Stop getting all dramatic over such a small problem... and YES the gil/item/player selling problem is so small in FF, I wouldn't even consider it a problem, more like an inenvitability (sp?) that comes with any MMO...

ever seen a gil buyer pay 10 million for a pair of glove's rare/ex scroll? (i think he paid 3000 usd for it heh)
i have
that's still not the problem, if he's rich enough to do that, let him

[csBahamut]

So its all hypothesis. No big money making HMN LS own by some asian company right now is there? And its not going to happen either, you know why? Because of the lock on system, theres too much competition so it becomes unprofitable to camp any NM. There are teams of farmer who works for those companies but thats already been discussed in another thread.

It's because it CAN happen. There's a much greater chance of this happening if buying/selling gil/items becomes more popular. Less people will be playing for fun, and more will be playing to make a buck(instead of getting a real job). The best way to solve a future problem is to prevent it, not wait till it happens. I work in the airplane business, and it's VERY important that you prevent mistakes before they happen. One little mistake could ruin you forever. It would only take one big problem to ruin a game beyound repair.

Lionhart, you're already in a big HNM LS and you have a full adaman set, why are you so threaten by people who buy gil. Its not like they can compete with you or your LS. And you probably don't grind with people outside your LS or static party so you won't come in to contact with them. So why all the hate?

Let's see here, you already agree that there's a lot of competition for HNM's, so I have no need to prove that to you. Now, how could people buying gil/items hurt his HNM LS, hrmmm...I don't know, maybe allow more people to have the equipment necessary to fight an HNM, and thu increase competition?

So maybe he's not too worried about, but what about all the other people that are getting close to joining an HNM LS? They are a LOT more stringent about inviting people to come than in an exp party (someone in an HNM LS please verify this, I am not qualified to state this as a fact). I don't want some player who only spends 2 hrs a day playing to get a spot in an HNM LS instead of me, as say a player with 3-5 times the play time and play experience of the other player. Again, it affects me(or some other player).

It also disrupts the natural evolution of the game. The influences of real money do not belong *in* the game.

I pay SE to play a game with set rules that all players must follow, which includes NOT buying/selling gil/items with/for real money. Most other people do to. Just because the effect are not felt directly by each individual player, doesn't mean it has NO effect what-so-ever.

Open your eyes buddy. You can't justify buying/selling gil/items in any way, shape, or form. If you still can't see the logc, then you need to sit down and have an intelligent discussion with someone(s) about morals, philosophy, or human psychology/sociology.

[csBahamut]

The game is designed to be played within set rules. Those rules do not allow people to "buy" item/gil with real money. If there was, then I would be able to pay SE some more money to be supplied with more gil/items, but it's not an option. Just because people can do it doesn't mean you should.

[edit]

A person's wealth in real life is NOT supposed to transfer over into the virtual world. that's why peaopl like games. One's social/monetary status in the real world has no effect on you in the virtual. It's part of the reason for playing video games. Look at presidential elections. All kinds of restriction are placed on campaign spending and recieving of donation so that both contestants have an equal chance to compete based on effort, rather than how wealthy you are. If it all depended on who was richer, there'd only be Republican presidents.

Everything gotten in FFXI is to be earned through putting effort into the game, not taking adantage of your real life abilities.

Jeez people, don't you have any morals? Any sense of pride(like being able to accomplish a difficult goal within set bounds)?

[hatey]

I don't like that people can diminish my work in the game by taking the easy route and buying it, but I've had my account disabled for almost 2 months now and my stuff will get deleted, my guy is 46 thf, 98 alchemy and I have about 1 mill cash and 4-5 mill in assets, I sorta have to do something with it, I'm out of work, have negative -400 in my bank and am eating really cheap ass food from money I mooch. ;p