dear people who buy gil with real money

[kevinsal]

Guys,

It is as simple as this.. As long as those 5 main sites like IGE, SuperSales, Belrion, ect.... stay in business there is no stopping it.

For some people this is thier full time job, selling gil on FFXI.... I know one person inparticular that is high level (75) and doesn't use bots.

If there is any way to ban these websites from selling gil then that is what needs to be done. While they are up promoting thier sales, people will buy from them....

However the problem lies here, Square should know the difference between bought gil and a gift. Say your friend just joined to game and you want to give him 50k to startup with good equipment. You charachter will give him this donation once...
So on the flip side the "sites" probably have 5-6 charachters that sell gil 100 times per day. Those accounts should be deleted.

Just like the fish botters these people need to be banned, to keep this games economy on a somewhat even balance..

[Nexus]

Good comic Lionhart

Heres somthing thats true.

this person on my Server names Neximus (ganna retire) is saving up all His gil to sell it on a Buyign gill sight to Get money for it. What I think of that its Smart. 1) He'll Never come back To XI so he dun care about the EULA, 2) He'll getsome money (He probably has 1 million gil + rdy) See I think thats still Stupid to buy or sell FAKE money. I see the point in selling it but Its just stupid.

Look what happend to EQ. Search for EQ accounts You will be suprised. If SQ doesnt do anythn about this You'll have some ffxi Accounts for sale next to the EQ section.

[csBahamut]

I'm in the same boat as Lionhart. I work my butt off in-game for my gil (Sometimes known as the Bank of Kenji in my LS). Then some person, who maybe only spends 2 hours a week playing FFXI, can go and spend real money to get gil and buy better equipment than me(who works harder for it). The real wold economy and FFXI economies are not supposed to be interlinked. If they can't spend the effort to get gil in game, then they don't deserve it. Whether someone buys gil or not, it shows that player's lack of integrity. I would not want to play with such people. I would not be able to trust them, nor their ability to play. If someone in real life payed someone else to do the work that they're supposed to do, would you trust their work? (i.e. You pay a mechanic to fix your car, and he turns around and pays some illegal mexican immigrant, who knows nothing about cars, a fraction of the cost to do the actual work.)

Not having time to farm is no excuse. It's a level playing field for everyone. Those that put more time and effort into the game get more rewards. THAT'S the way the world works.

I hope SE finds a way to shut those sites down, or stop the sale of gil and items. It corrupted other game economies, and it could do the same here. How about we start making a list of known suppliers and buyers, and make a blacklist of who NOT to play with(help, exp, farm, etc.)?

[Kailea]

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[fyrewyre]

I have to agree with csBahumut and lionhart here, on fairy there is a player which i am not going to name that buys gil, put on all the best armor they can, then comes to the party and does what? suck. It doesnt take much to farm or garden. Personally i think people buying money online just dont have the sense to look into the economy and see what is sold and how or they dont have enough brainpower to see whats they are doing to their server. All i do is farm once a week and skill up in the process while i make like 100k a day if i feel lazy but at the end of the week i have 500-700k max so why cant they do the same? it doesnt take much, infact it takes 3 pots. Its that simple. Theres a problem on my server because of undercutters dropping prices on things that are farmable by Lv50 and under and with that being said, AH prices on some items that are geared for players around 60-70 are nuts or impossible to even buy unless you hunt NMs (on fairy there are nothing but NM hunters)and within a weeks worth of farming chances are that item is gone to a player who bought gil, a player who hunts NMs for profit, or jacked up prices.

[Raiyu]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
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I think that's a bad idea. There is no flaming occuring on this thread and is a problem that needs to be answered.

And I agree, S-EX needs to somehow put an end to thoes sites. They have, or are in the process of, corrupting almost all of the MMORPGs out today.

[Macht]

The biggest problem with gil selling, is that those companies are stealing profit from Square-Enix. Just like Copyrights are suppose to protect an invention from being copied and stolen, ultimatly Square Enix is loosing large amounts of profit they would of potentialy got for their work is now being stolen from them.

If I spent some 6 - 12 Yrs building a very nice game and dedicate myself to be spending even more time to continue to build it then I'd like to see all my effort return back the due profit, otherwise what's the point of keeping it up if someone else is going to steal it from me.

Now that to me seems like the very basic reason why it's wrong. You have to have one hell of a warped reasoning to justify buying and selling gil. I mean after all you are paying to play a game you wanted to play but instead of showing your gratitude to those that worked hard to build this world you're basically screwing them over.

What kind of logic is that? It's saying "Hey great game! I'll pay you this small amount a month as long as I play it." then turn to someone else and go "I'll pay you some larger amount so I can beat this game faster and pay this other guy less money, even though he spent so much effort to make this great game I just don't want to participate in all of it."

Does buying and selling gil really make any justified sense to anyone? If so I really have to wonder about you. As far as someone selling off their character/gil once they decide to no longer play that's really a moral issue falling back on that same logic again.

[csBahamut]

Well said Macht.

If they don't want to play the game as meant to, then this isn't the game for them. They can go buy some CRPG and download some hacks to beat it really fast if they just want to beat a game.

We just need to find a good way to stop the gil/item selling. Spread the word that gil/item buying/selling for real money is bad. Don't let the new players get caught in it because, "They do it in all the other games anyways." or, "It'll happen anyways, I just want to get my stuff first."

Let's toss some ideas up here and see what we can come up with for solutions.

[Demon_of_Elru]

OK, imagine there’s a guy who has about 2 hours playtime each day 5 days a week, but really enjoys the game in those few hours he plays.

He comes to point in the game when he finds there is an item that is really NEEDED for his character or it will seriously gimp him out and have people moaning at him and refusing to PT with him. This item costs 450k

Now this guy is stuck, he tries farming but only manages to get 1 stack of silk in a days playtime (if he’s lucky). After a week of spending all his playtime farming he manages to get 40k. He starts getting sick of having to spend the short amount of playtime he has farming and tries to get a PT.

In this PT he finds he is more of a burden and people are moaning and he is forced to quit the PT. Back to gil making. He tries spending his time, doing quests/mission, crafting and NM hunting. Until he finds after another 4 weeks... he hasn't really gained anything that can get him the money he needs.

He remembers hearing about buying gil with real money from a LS member. He searches the Internet for some information about it, and eventually finds a site that is selling the money he needs for $130.

This guy works hard in his real-life job and has quite a bit of money, and comes to the conclusion that for some people, they spend thousands of $'s on their hobby, something they look forward to doing in their own time. Now he looks at the game, and it falls into the same category. So he decides to purchase the gil with real money. Next day, he buys the item he needs and gets on with playing the game he loves so much. His hobby.

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OK now in this situation I can fully understand why people would buy gil for real money. And I also think, this is a main reason for buying gil.

I was in a similar situation myself about 7 months ago, but instead of buying gil, I quit the game for 3 months and really began to miss it. I was very lucky I re-activated my account before it was deleted permanently.

However, I'm against gil buying when the gil comes from botting, messing up the economy and for people who just do it because they are lazy.

So I think calling people "stupid" or "retards" because they have bought gil using there own real money is wrong. Sure for some casses, but for others it falls into something like I mentioned above.... and so I think calling everyone idiots is quite ignorant.

As fr selling gil, I have no problem with it at all, unless the gil is made using an illegal method.

[halfway]

I really can see both sides of it. I spent a month off from leveling early this year and mined. I made somewhere between 700 and 900k. 2-3 hours a night, pretty much for the whole month.
Now my job pays pretty well, if I got paid overtime and could just work a little extra, I would have been able to buy that much gil in a fraction of the time. I would been able to spend my paytime doing things I enjoyed instead of mining, which was just a means to an end for me. I'm not sure but it doesn't seem dumb.

I disagree also that its all made using illegal methods, I know probably a half dozen people that have sold their gil when they quit, some had several million accumulated. Giving some away to your friends is nice, but making a few hundred or more isn't bad either.

On the other hand it is money and equipment in game you haven't earned, but it doesn't really bother me. Selling accuonts does because I don't want to pt with some lvl 70 that just bought a char and doesn't know how to play. Having a person in my pt wear better equipment than he could normally? No problem.

[csBahamut]

There are ways to make money in FFXI with only 2 hours a day for 5 days a week. They could also go farming with friends or LS mates. They could also readjust their play time schedule to meet the gaming needs. If not, then this game just ain't for them. If someone REALLY likes this game, they'll set it high on their priority list and make time for it.

My friend HATES farming. He only really plays when I'm on. He also plays SWG with his other friends. He LOVES mage classes. He's always low on gil. Guess what? He wouldn't even DARE think of buying gil. Instead, I'll farm with him, lend him gil, organize BCNM40's with him. He's also taken up crafting, but hasn't gotten far enough to make any money off it. Others in my LS garden, or mine, or do crafting, or hunt NMs. These people with a 'lack of time' are just lazy. There's no excuse to buy gil, and no reason to.

[Macht]

Originally posted by Demon_of_Elru
OK now in this situation I can fully understand why people would buy gil for real money. And I also think, this is a main reason for buying gil.

I was in a similar situation myself about 7 months ago, but instead of buying gil, I quit the game for 3 months and really began to miss it. I was very lucky I re-activated my account before it was deleted permanently.

However, I'm against gil buying when the gil comes from botting, messing up the economy and for people who just do it because they are lazy.

So I think calling people "stupid" or "retards" because they have bought gil using there own real money is wrong. Sure for some casses, but for others it falls into something like I mentioned above.... and so I think calling everyone idiots is quite ignorant.

As fr selling gil, I have no problem with it at all, unless the gil is made using an illegal method.

You're still missing the point, that $130 the guy would of spent to buy that gil is profit Square Enix is never going to see. It doesn't fall in the same reasoning at all, when you spend money on a hobby it's spending threw a company/auction/etc... that'll only be an immediate and temporary effect. When you do that in these kind of games they have a much more lasting effect and damaging.

So for a person to come to such a conclusion must not care about his hobby much if he's willing to damage it. Just likely hobbies and collections too, you spend lots of time to do the hobby. Also what kind of person would consider doing something like you said to their hobby? If I choose a hobby it's because I like it all the good and bad that come with it, I spend the time to improve my hobby not pay someone else to do it for me.

That's like someone who has a hobby of building models and he goes and pays someone to build it for him. How the hell can he call it his hobby if he isn't actually doing the work :confused: .

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To further expand on this. That $130 profit is not only stolen profit but it's support to improve the game that's been taken away from Square Enix. If they are not getting justified amount of profit to continue making the game then it slowly starts to kill the game. This money they loose out could of ended up as a new set of levels for you characters, it could of been new abilities, it could of been events, it could of been a multiple of things that Square Enix may decide against because their profit was damaged by these actions.

[LionhartPLD]

gardening only requires about 10mins of play time a day and can make some great profits.

[Kneebiter]

Originally posted by LionhartPLD
the main problem I have with it is that for one the people that do it are idiots. for two I work hard for my gil and I don't think it's fair that some rich kid can come and buy the gil in an instant while I work for it. And even if the person earned the money them self in real life it hardly transfers over. I make way more money per hour in real than I do if you convert that to game money based on current exchange rates. Anways STOP BUYING FAKE MONEY CAUSE YOU ARE DUMB.

It's basically like playing that board game monopoly and paying one of the other players real money for their Monopoly money so you can win the game. lolol

Why are they dumb for buying gil, just because you say they are? And how is it not fair? Are we all in competition for who have the best equipment or who have the most gil? I just don't see how those people are effecting your game play at all except in your head. You will most likely never meet one of them and even if you do, how can you tell? And you can't say you will know because a player sucks at playing their character because theres sucky players at every lvl.

It just makes me shake my head that you people are sitting there pulling your hairs out thinking about the ones buying gil online. You don't know who is it but yet you still get angrier and angrier thinking about it. Now that is dumb.

[LionhartPLD]

because the existance and proliferating of such practices is what slowly detereorates games and makes them no longer any fun to play. Look at games such is Diablo , RO, EQ; those games used to be great games until assholes started corrupt shit like money selling botting etc. And I don't want to see that happen here.

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