dear people who buy gil with real money

[Faust]

Originally posted by StarvingArtist
By the nature of this this type of game, it demands alot of time. Not everyone has that kind of time of course, but there are those that do and continue playing through the hoops and hurdles (I'm 1.5 years and still going). It's a balance issue in the design with time and progression. If you make it easier to progress with less time, then more people are at the upper levels quicker.

Say the game was designed around players with minimal play time, what could happen if they are able to reach lv75 in less than a month and not worry about money or other costs. Combine that with the people who do have time and get to lv75 in half that time. You end up with alot of bored lv75 people. Introduce new high level content and then it get's eaten up quickly and you still have bored people.

Not everyone has all the time in the world. That's why people go to school part-time, nights, or weekends due to other responsabilities. Nowhere does it say you absolutely must get a degree within 4 years, or get to level 75 as fast as posssible to enjoy FFXI.

I don't think I could've said that any better.

Too many people get upset over the game because it doesn't cater (that the right spelling?) to them. They forget that the hurdles and difficulties they face are PART of the game. They're there to provide a challenge. More and more people seem to be getting lazy and/or spoiled.

[csBahamut]

I like the casino idea, and chocobo racing would be cool as well. Just can't make it a way to make gil real fast. FFXI is made so that you can't get fast money. You're not supposed to get everything real easily. Though, having fun ways to obtain gil is always a challenge. That's why I don't use just one method. Once school starts again, I'll have less time to play. But guess what, I can fish while working on HW. Two birds with one stone, and all it took was a little ingenuity.

I agree StarvingArtist and Faust, it's not easy making a game to fit everyone's playing style, as stated in that link StarvingArtist gave way back in this thread. There's always going to be something someone doesn't like, no matter how well made the game is. It's just like finding a job in real life. You look for something you like to do, but you'll never find the perfect job. There will always be something you won't like about. Of course, you have to do it if you want to make money. Same with any game, if you like it enough, then any minor problem will not stop you from playing. If it's too much to handle, then don't do it.

Playing a multiplayer game involves a social contract between players, just like between a government and it's citizens (like what Karl Marx and other social philosophers talk about). Everyone agrees to follow a set of rule in exchange for something guaranteed to them, like rights and liberties, and protection from crime and invaders. The same thing applies to multiplayer games. We agree to follow a set of rules defined by SE and to pay SE to enforce those rules in exchange for fun and entertainment. That's why I disagree with gil selling. I don't pay *my*(I'm sure other people too) $13/month so that someone else can cheat while I can't.

When it comes to earning gil, FFXI seems to be a game that favors people with lots of time. Some game do it based on skill, like Counter-Strike, where every kill you make earns you more money to spend the next round. Final Fantasy games have typically favored those with better mental abilities more than those with physical hand-to-eye coordination. That's why I like these games. I don't have the best reflexes in the world, so I don't play many reflex based games. That's why I dislike Warcraft III. Your speed with the mouse can become more important than a unique strategy.

I do hope that SE will implement more ways for making gil, as long as it doesn't allow people t reach endgame faster than they can now.

Man, I would SOOO love to have chocobo racing and breeding. Could make it so people could raise chocobos for racing, or digging, or traveling, and sell them to other players. It would be like a chocobo ranching craft. Would also be cool if Link Shells could obtain their own airhips^^. Airship crafting anyone?

[D0oM]

just because they cant play very much on an average day doesnt mean it makes it right for them to buy gil.

the ppl both get rich the same way in the game, cept one is right, other is wrong.

from what i can see, your basically saying that ppl that work hard and earn their keep irl - well thats ok i guess they had time to do it.

or

thief who stole his money and ended up just as rich as ^ guy - well i guess he just didnt have the time to get it the right way

that isnt right, or is it?

this is kinda like the post about ppl who PL your char for u

ok so the guy doesnt have time... so he pays some1 to PL his char while he works. then he spends his cash irl on gil in the game. hmm...?

right thats kinda like... say your a child, u pay some1 to live the first 20 years of your life, and then u pay some1 to give u immediate success. ummm...? mabye im the only here who thinks that isnt right?

bottom line...

if u dont have the time to play the game right, well then u shouldnt be playing it at all. no sense in paying other ppl to play the game for u.

[Kurgan]

Horse. Dead. Beaten.

[Tibiam]

people who buy gil on the internet are people who are ruining thge game ^^.. they are people that are too lazy to Farm so they just go the easy route.. i hate those ppl!

[emitsu97]

That's what I'm talking about! More ingenuity in gil gathering. I'm not saying it needs to be huge amounts of gil rewarded, just a nice distraction that breaks up the leveling/farming grind. How much more fun would you have building an Airship WITH other PC's instead of farming gil for stuff? How great would it be spending some time breeding a Chocobo for racing in races with gil prizes then training Quadav in Palborough Mines? What about "Taru bowling"? Oh, and about the games...they can hand out tickets instead of gil, that can be redeemed for item prizes, that can in turn be put up in AH if so desired!! Or the games could be a mix of some gil and some tickets. There's no limit. They could even make it an expansion type of update. You buy the expansion, install it, and only those who cared to do it that will benefit. It doesn't even have to be in-game, meaning it could be like TetraMaster. Pay the extra $1 per month and get more fun and gil out of your game. That would let ppl gil gather outside of the game and allow levelers to have thier mobs back. It can be done, and balanced. It's just up to them I guess. I don't think most gil-buyers would mind playing mini-games instead of shelling out lots of dough for more money than they know what to do with at that time. I know there's more detail involved, I just don't want to run my post on any longer.:sweat:
I've got ideas pouring out my ears

[Deathguise]

I can enjoy farming in small bursts. Sometimes it's good to have a break from leveling and just talk with your linkshell while you make some Gil.
Is it against the rules of the game to buy/sell Gil online?

[emitsu97]

In all my reading in these types of threads it's still pretty rare that I find anyone willing to at least look on the other side of the argument to see if there's anything they can relate to in-game or in real life. All we have is each side telling the other they are wrong and no one having a better undestanding on the whole. Everyone has their own particular love of the game. Everyone has different RL situations. It's not fair for ppl to be going around casting stones when they only know one side. Please rethink a post of intentional negativity and try to see through another's eyes. In the end we'll all understand and respect each other more instead of these infamous foam bat figts that keep popping up.

[D0oM]

Originally posted by emitsu97
In all my reading in these types of threads it's still pretty rare that I find anyone willing to at least look on the other side of the argument to see if there's anything they can relate to in-game or in real life. All we have is each side telling the other they are wrong and no one having a better undestanding on the whole. Everyone has their own particular love of the game. Everyone has different RL situations. It's not fair for ppl to be going around casting stones when they only know one side. Please rethink a post of intentional negativity and try to see through another's eyes. In the end we'll all understand and respect each other more instead of these infamous foam bat figts that keep popping up.

wtf are u talking about? did u not read the beginning of the thread? the guy said about RL situations...

u make me so confused..lol :confused:

[solmeir]

Originally posted Burzum.................

So let me get this right.......
You couldnt be bothered posting in the other thread because there were too many posts, and you were scared no-one would read yours.
But you are sorry if you now waste anyones time reading through your thoughts covering things that are already covered.

So why dont you put your opinion where it should be, and stop spreading this over more threads.

[Faust]

The point I was making before are that people who buy gil online, buy characters, use bots... are cheating.

Regardless of whomever's eyes you look through. It's still cheating.

Long and short run, it'll affect everyone in one way or another, and in different levels.

I have no respect for someone who cheats for any of the whiney reasons that have been previously posted (lack of time, hate to farm, only has one finger for the controller, has more money than they know what to do with, whatever). Games have hurdles because they're put their to challenge players. The point is to get over the hurdles within the rules set by the game. If you cheat, you've done nothing more than prove that you can cheat.

[HDS]

from what i can see, your basically saying that ppl that work hard and earn their keep irl - well thats ok i guess they had time to do it.

or

thief who stole his money and ended up just as rich as ^ guy - well i guess he just didnt have the time to get it the right way

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I hate to say this even though I do not agree on buying gil. You cannot make that analogy because the people that buy gil are not stealing from another player. Gil seller are not taking the gil out of random players' account, rather, they actually spent time farming for those gils. The gil that the gil sellers has does not come out of nowhere, thus hurting the economy; they obtained the massive amount of through legit methods.

To say that gil sellers ruin the economy is to say HNM LS hurts the economy also.

For example, a typical gil seller can obtain 1 million a day through various methods, and on the other hand, a HNM LS can make that much money a day as well.

The gil seller sells the 1 million to another player, and that player spends them all; on the other hand, the HNM LS also spends the 1 million that it obtained, and the only difference is that he is not transfering the gil to another person to spend it for him.

The 1 million is lost either way. Bottomline is, gil sellers do not and can not ruin the economy.

Thank you for reading.

p.s. to the extreme anti-gil-buying players, what would you do with your lvl 75 character when you no longer plays the game? would you sell the account for $1200 or throw it away?

[HDS]

Regardless of whomever's eyes you look through. It's still cheating.

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so what? Maybe cheating is a self defeat for you, but for some people, they might not care.

If they can cheat, so can you? You may say that my argument is flawed because what I am suggesting is that the players who do not cheat are being forced to cheat. But let's get real guys, if this is really such a big issue, why isn't SE taking action against it?

[Faust]

Well, now that the threads have been combined... Scroll up and read.

I think I've already said what I can say about it. Most all of you already know my stance on the subject.

Non-cheaters > cheaters

No matter how much one tries to justify it. You're still cheating when you break the rules. Doesn't matter the reason.

The sad thing is people are actually defending it.

Cheat - To violate rules deliberately, as in a game.

FFXI is getting violated...

[emitsu97]

threads merged...me confused :confused: