BRD? Not required for great experience?

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by Macht
Ultimatly in the end it isn't the Jobs you have that matter a great deal. It's how the parties tactics and strategies are planned and carried out. You properly use each jobs strengths and cover their weaknesses with another job from a party member you end up becoming far more powerful then anyone would expect.

My combination I've been using is RNG/DRK, to my surprise when I partied with a RNG/NIN and a RNG/WAR I had successfully outdamaged them and continue to do so threwout the parties lifespan. On top of that just about every Barrage I used was nearly twice that of the other two RNGs (They are suppose to be the best combination, so goes to show combination alone doesn't make you powerfull you actually have to of spent time and effort to get that power as well).

I even had a little fun with it since the PLD that was in those parties never before had the RNGs successfully draw hate off of him without him being able to get back right after. The RNG/NIN actually succeeded pulling it off but the PLD only had to use provoke after his initial "Hate Hold" setup and it would go back to him. I however had not only pulled it off him, but his provoke failed to draw hate back as well. I had to disengage in order for my hate to windle away so he could get it back (This was intentional, we had made a bet that I could draw and hold hate from him).

So really it isn't jobs used in parties, it isn't job combinations, or even race to jobs. It all really boils down to the players skill itself, their ability to properly setup their gear and their ability to pace their powerful attacks so that it isn't to slow or to fast. That's what it ends up boiling down to the players skill.

I don't understand? Are you a DRK?

And your saying RNG takes hate off PLD and DRK can? Not only do I think both can't but RNG has less enmity then DRK >_>

Correct me if I am wrong I just didnt understand what you said

[Macht]

Originally posted by Stanislav


I don't understand? Are you a DRK?

And your saying RNG takes hate off PLD and DRK can? Not only do I think both can't but RNG has less enmity then DRK >_>

Correct me if I am wrong I just didnt understand what you said

I'm saying I used RNG as Main and DRK as sub. A RNG/DRK, RNG/NIN, and RNG/WAR can potentionally draw hate from a PLD if they do it right (and if they have a death wish to be always doing this intentionally). The PLD I had partied with used what he was calling his "Hate Hold", he started of doing Provoke then Shield Bash, Sentinel, Flash, and then using a Cure depending on how much he needed to restore his health.

Then he dared me to draw hate within 30 sec. and keep it off his provoke. I used a Meat Mithkabob, Sharpshot, Last Resort, Barrage, and then let off Sidewinder since my gear setup and the plan I used to actually draw hate from the PLD better then the other two. I was the only one of the 3 RNGs that could not only take the hate away (Each of us did it alone and on seperate fights of the same monster type of-course) but his Provoke failed to draw the monsters attention back.

The PLD definatly was a good PLD because he was able to hold hate fine under the normal circumstances, but really a good player playing a job that can do large amounts of damage can draw hate away if they planned it with that intention and have a good enough setup to do so.

EDIT:

Anyway it's diverging off the topic. The point I was making is even if you play what would be considered a "powerful" combination like RNG/WAR or RNG/NIN if you arn't a skilled player you arn't going to do any better then what people call a "weak" combination. Same idea goes with parties.

[obsidian]

Different party setups are better for different areas. Thankfully there is no "ultimate" party setup. Once you get higher in level, having the right people to make the right skillchains becomes very important. However, in the end it is about the ability and skill of the players.

An example is last night when I was in West Altepa Desert. We had a pld, thf, rng, blm, whm, brd. The thf & rng made distortion (piercing arrow > viper bite) which the beetles we are fighting are weak to. They were tricking the mob on the pld so it was almost impossible to remove. But alas, the group wasn't great. The whm had no idea of mp control kept standing right next to the melees screwing my songs up. For 2 hours I tried to tell her to get away from the melees to no avail. If it was my party she would have been gone, but instead I just left telling her to do the bards a favor and don't invite them into her groups.

[evilution]

you musta teamed with crap DRK's. In my best PT's the DRK was always ready to WS chain by the time the mob was around 60% HP.

[tomiko]

Well a rng and a blm in the same PT = massive dmg, faster chaining.
My fav setup: war drk rng blm rdm brd... chain #5's no downtime over and over it gets boring ._. Guillo->Side Frag + Rampage for hate + 2MB is overkill... and I barely get hit.
Your smn could have been a bard basically. Fenir does acc buff too no?

[aques]

If it's a ninja tank, nope brd not required, not wanted actually.

Assuming a LV65+ party, as long as the mage setup is:

blm
rdm
smn(or another blm)

and the front line has some form of fuidama, the party will kill things very fast. i think its pretty much the only way to get 5k xp per hour at 70+ when the setup is like this.

of course when a pt is killing undead, then maybe a whm in the back row or a pld tank can still net 5k xp per hour.

I noticed that at 70+, if the melees have good +ACC equipment, a bard contributes just as much as a rdm in a pt.

[Jonnyram]

Re: BRD? Not required for great experience?

Originally posted by Stanislav
The point of this thread is to those people who say that "Without bard it is not possible to get massive experience". The reason people say that is becuase almost every BLM either nukes to the point of death or no mp or doesn't nuke at all. A good BLM can easily replace a bard. Personally after last night I am no longer going to stress if I can't find a bard.. All I have to stress over is if the BLM is good or not

I disagree totally.
Have a look at your party configs again and you'll see it was the SMN that replaced the BRD. Your party got experience quickly, primarily thanks to Fenrir. SMN is a party support job, like BRD. BLM isn't. Yeah, there are good and bad BLMs, but in reality, you don't have to wait for a BLM to rest if they run out of MP because they can sit through the next fight while RDM takes care of their essential spells.

And like others have said, you were using a NIN shield anyway, so way less MP consumption all round.

[Cryptik]

The only job that can replace a BRD is a RDM for dispels and MP refresh.

for DD melee I would invite something like this:

THF, RNG

DRK WAR ( kickass)

DRK MNK

My buddy RNG and I ( THF) do hella dmge /w arching arrow > Shark bite.

we have had static party since lvl50 and sometimes get chain #6.

sidewinder > dancing edge owns too.

PLD+THF is fine.

THF are more of dmge IMO than hate control. Hate control ability is just something special or extra.

[Jonnyram]

RDM works great for dispel and refresh, but Fenrir will make your battles much faster. He can decrease the mob accuracy and evasion, increase party accuracy and evasion, and also "erase" two bad magics from party members. Essentially a RDM + SMN combo is on the same level as a WHM + BRD combo, with the added bonus that the RDM can join in MBs more effectively.

[Aldo]

also read the move fenrir does depends on the moon phase, ie certain moon phases you receive a higher boost in acc than eva, or vice versa. its not really how fast one job can accumulate tp (rng and sam being the fastest, of course) but its if they can keep up with the other melee. i still like brd/blm/rdm most, though.

[yzfr6]

lol stanlsav just seems bitter cuz darks own thieves when they can close light and dark chains. every thief always says they are better than darks lol. hey welcome to reality where dark knight owns thief later on.

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by yzfr6
lol stanlsav just seems bitter cuz darks own thieves when they can close light and dark chains. every thief always says they are better than darks lol. hey welcome to reality where dark knight owns thief later on.

Does THF looks like my main job?
I am only leveling it for fun.. not before of the damage..

As for the guy that said Fenrir effected it.. Of course but! How often do you find a summonor that can keep his MP full and do non stop summons?

Personally with 9/10 summonor I am with run out of MP really quickly >_>

and SMN are not that rare on Siren compared to BRDs so SMN is ne of those jobs that seeks for a while.

[ibroyles]

Originally posted by yzfr6
lol stanlsav just seems bitter cuz darks own thieves when they can close light and dark chains. every thief always says they are better than darks lol. hey welcome to reality where dark knight owns thief later on.

Oh you seem real smart with all of your "lol omg DRK" and "lol omg pwn" talk. If you don't have anything other to say than "X class pwns X class," then just don't post, you dolt.

[Corrado]

Sadly, 99.9% of blms (na and jp) do in fact suck, and are too afraid of getting aggro that they under-nuke.

I've been parsing every party of mine from 50 upwards, and there's only a handful of blms that I believe to be playing their class to its fullest.

[evilution]

Sadly, 99.9% of blms (na and jp) do in fact suck, and are too afraid of getting aggro that they under-nuke.

i have to agree :D

I've parsed from 66-74 on my BLM and unless the PT had a ranger, i did about 50% of the damage to the mob each fight and was still able to have zero downtime even know i would dump 1/3rd to 1/2 my mp each fight (dark staff, aspir, errant / black cloak make a HUGE diff).