Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

[Kittyneko]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

_i_ Matter of opinions.

Double Post Edited:

I can guess ofcourse.. but I just want to level it and leave it at some level.

-.- Really not smart eh

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

Sorry, maybe you can explain what point you're trying to make because it's eluding me.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

RDM can solo as soon as 34, when we have Stoneskin and Phalanx. At ths level, we can farm EPs much easier than many other jobs.

At 40 we get Convert, making farming faster, because now we can cast and not worry about resting mid-farm cycle.

At 41 we get Refresh, meaning that we can continuously farm when paired with Convert

At 48 we get Haste, making meleeing and recasting much faster.

We only get stronger from here as more gear and more abilities are unlocked and we get higher in our skills.

[Omni]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

sweetkitty really, you ought to try and relax. every reply ive read from you lately has had a major chip on its shoulder. you asked, people answered. if the answer isnt to your liking or isnt complete by your standards, check out some of the ffxi database sites like somepage.com/ffxi. they tell you everything you can ever want to know about ffxi. if they dont, they link you to somewhere that will tell you.

but as far as being able to solo effectively, wishmaster is right. it starts at 34. though i think where rdm truely starts to shine is past 41. rdm doesnt overpower its enemy, its devastating ability comes from being able to safely outlast its enemy while still being able to chip away at it. much of the dmg provided to genbu is probably from bio II and dot spells.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

Omni is such an awsome person when he's on your side =^.^=



So yeah, Bio2 and DoTs and stuff. With RDM/NIN, we use Poison2 and Bio2. As RDM/BLM, we can use Poison2, Bio2, and at most 3 Elemental Enfeebs. Against Genbu you would probably use Shock, Burn and Choke.

That's what he did, I believe. the video only shows the later parts of the fight (to my knowledge, he may have uploaded a new one), but Genbu is a weak god for a reason, and I think that Avesta was able to do something to outlast the Regen that Genbu, presumably, has.

Also keep in mind that Genbu is a water element god (obviously, turtle), and he has annoying spells like Flood, Wateraga4 and all sorts of neato shyte. I know personally I can't land spells on Genbu for shit, so for Avesta to even last 30minutes is a testament to his abilities.

about 80%, hell, maybe 88% of the end-game mobs that RDM can fight, we fight usually by using /NIN to use the shadows to keep us alive while the spells do their job. It is very rare for a RDM to upfront fight something like a NIN or THF would, that's why we can solo things on such a different level than anything else.

Keep in mind that Avesta has been playing this game FOREVER, and has hQ+1 if possible on everything, in addition to merits out his ass, so he probably sticks enfeebs to Kirin like he's an EP Mandy.

Normally, soloing Genbu isn't feasable, no matter how long it takes. I saw a RDM last against Tiamat for 3 minutes while his LS got there. That's retarded. Things like that make me love RDM, but don't assume that we can just. . . DO these things. They require skill, hardwork and determination. Most of all- patience. I don't have the patience to kite, DoT, nuke something, so if I can't whip out my swords, I usually just pass the offer.

But fear the RDM who has no need to draw his blade.

[neighbortaru]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

Normally, soloing Genbu isn't feasable, no matter how long it takes. I saw a RDM last against Tiamat for 3 minutes while his LS got there. That's retarded. Things like that make me love RDM, but don't assume that we can just. . . DO these things. They require skill, hardwork and determination. Most of all- patience. I don't have the patience to kite, DoT, nuke something, so if I can't whip out my swords, I usually just pass the offer.

you also forgot to mention gil. Avesta buys a crap load of meds for his adventures.

[Omni]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

But fear the RDM who has no need to draw his blade.

thx for your kind words


but this is so true. a rdm that doesnt even bother whipping out his sword is someone that knows wtf they are doing. ive watched quit a few of avesta's videos and he has no regard for time b/c haste makes waste in this sense. he macro switches on every spell to get its maximum benefit. he carrys a small pharmacy of meds as well. i saw the fight he had with unger. gravity, sleep, bind and nuking + dot for the win. he totally eptitimizes the possibilties of rdm.

for other jobs trying to solo such as nin and thf its a totally different game. for nin, i try to kill the mob asap. i can last for a while given the mob type, but land a few aoe spells on me + a link or two and i'll be in a whole world of trouble. if im lucky enough that all the mob does is physical attacks or directed spells, i think nin or thf can out solo rdm in this aspect.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

Yeah, in a Way. RDM/NIN and NIN and THF can somewhat fight similar ways in Melee. In someways, like the NIN and THF natural evasion, it's a bonus, but that limits you to slow mages or pure melee mobs.

RDM/NIN, don't have natural evasion, so we'd rely on shadows moreso than THF and NIN. But we do things different, since it's about pacing and DoT. Utsu isn't our shield, it's our safety net to let Stoneskin last longer- which is the real RDM strength. Stoneskin + Phalanx is what makes RDM solo what it is, and Utsu is a tool that amplifies that. Same spell, just different usages and meaning for the jobs.

Also, RDM lack a strong WS. Cyclone is actually stronger than Fast Blade, in some cases, but that requires maining a dagger, which might not be bad: A RDM with the HornetNeedle + Haste + Enspells racks up a lot of damage very fast.

NIN can do damage comparable to WARs, once endgame- in addition to natural EVA, and the multiple gear options in terms of ACC gear for TP, STR gear for WS and EVA gear.

NIN/BLM, with elemental staves, gear and food, can go through thet Elemental wheel doing over 1k of damage a second on NI spells. A NINJA IN TE BACKLINES DOING MORE DAMAGE THAN MOST MELEES O_O that's crazy. . .

In regards to you're LINK statement- one thing I like about RDM in doing anything is our ability to not only adapt to the situation, but make the situation adapt to us. That's what makes soloing such a joy, because we make ourselves stronger, the mobs weaker, and we take control of the battle.

Last week I got my Moldavite Earring ( 1/1 on Mazemaker =3 ), and in the process, two gobs spawned on top of me. Thankfully, they were only EP because I was 71 at the time. MMM is already a hard mob- he hit's weak, but he casts fast, casts hard and casts often. In addition to not wanting to stay silenced, he has some nasty status effects I'm glad I had Utsu:Ichi to catch. So now two more Gobs spawn (I had been killing them for an hour, and I found they are on a 10 minute recast timer. MMM popped when I had 5 minutes left in the cycle -.- ).

I was easily able to keep them slept without attracting the surrounding Cockatrices due to Sleep1 and Sleep2, without losing too much focus on MMM.

It was a rush, but getting the drop made it all worth it.

Moments like these make me glad I stuck with RDM.

[Omniblast]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

But fear the RDM who has no need to draw his blade.

Enough said, 12/19/05 I went with Darkoon to help a LS mate with her mnk af3. We trioed him, however Darkoon tanked it mainly. For my first mp round (1103mp) I used Garuda and did approximately 4.5k of damage for the duration of Garuda's MP, afterwards I couldn't get hate off Darkoon for the life of me. I calculated a total of 13k damage to the NM, so Darkoon out damaged me with his 17k. NM had a total of 30k hp.

If summoner's didn't have to rest for MP, We'd be too powerful every minute.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

I think that's why they make it so you can't heal when Avatar is out. Imagine if you were able to do THAT, despite the MP loss? Lose a certain amount of MP/tick, but possibly have a NET GAIN after the ClearMinds+Food+Gear kicks in.

Ugh, can SMNs merit Blood Pact recasts? Or is there gear for it? Cause in a Water Farming PT in the sky, the "Tanks" Were two SMNs using Titan and exchanging that punch shit he does for about 1.5-1.8k damage.

I think SMN is the most rewarding job, because after 70 levels of backup healing and bs mbing, you guys finally put those defense ignoring BPs to good usage.

[Omni]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

darkoon is cool. him, necronomicus and i fought off the attemps of a 3bst mpk when darkoon claimed aquarius. at one point i had a korrigan and 2 mourches (sp?) on me. the rdm kept me alive while i wore off aggro with nin af boots all the while keeping aquarius claimed and gravitied.

rdm has so many goodies.

[tdh]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

But fear the RDM who has no need to draw his blade.

I agree completely! However I find it more of a challenge to actually melee it up. Keeping all the buffs up, enfeebles, Stoneskin and the like. Then again I just like using Spirits Within. lol I also like being able to get Stoneskin off without being interrupted. ^^

Also, RDM lack a strong WS. Cyclone is actually stronger than Fast Blade, in some cases, but that requires maining a dagger, which might not be bad: A RDM with the HornetNeedle + Haste + Enspells racks up a lot of damage very fast.

This is what I do. 25-45dmg from Dagger, depending on what I'm hacking away at. Then roughly 15dmg from which ever En-elemental I'm using. Blaze/Ice/Shock Spikes do about 11-15dmg as well. So my Hornetneedle out damages a Sword in the end. Nearly 2 Dagger hits per 1 Sword hit.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Request >> RDM soloing Genbu

I just noticed that you're avatar was Krug. I'm changing mine from Sexy Leo because it's not sexy at all . . . It's quite gay. . .

Moving on, I'm close to 72, and the game EXPLODES for RDMs there, because we can equip JSE and Errant. The stats on those pieces of gear make mixing and matching very. . . outrageous.

I also got my Genbu's shield last night ;.; but it's lvl 74. I'm raising RDM hardcore this week JUST cause I want to use it. Lol, but I don't want to be lvl 74RDM without 37NIN. I'll feel so cheap, bleh

You know that NIN BRD and RDM can trio Charbydis right? -.-

In some senses, I'd like to say RDM are overpowered, but we actually aren't. We just have a LOT of tools.

If a job is overpowered, I think it's NIN, cause you guys get 20sets of gear. Any job that can equip Osode, have 2nd Highest Evasion in the game, Absorb Shadows with Utsusemi, AND do WAR damage at the same time is overpowered. . .

Edit: Posted After TDH, so I'm editing this one.

Yeah, the Hornet needle hits, it feels, like every second, if not faster. Enspells are about 18 at most, I think, with the normal Enhancing a RDM can get, so that's about 100damage every 6-7 seconds. at 5TP a swing from Hornet Needle, it'll take about 21seconds to get 100TP (oh, btw, this is assuming no Ens are resisted and all hits land, but it's a safe assumption).

So that's almost 300 damage done in 21 seconds, in addition to Cyclone for 150-250. Wierd thing about Cyclone, it's damage seems to be consistent no matter what you fight. Fast Blade from my RGF did 239 when I had Misericorde in sub on a Too Weak, but only 59-120 on Robbers in Kuftal ><. Cyclone seems to do consistent damage no matter what I fight, granted it's EM and under. . .

Enspells are very fun to use, because we have 6/8 corresponding elements. I hope we see things like Enspells that incorporate Enfeebles, or just adding current enfeebs to current enspells as effects that MAY happen (like paralyze might happen if you run into Ice Spikes)

Heh, reminds me that I came up with an idea that, similar to how Staves work, EnSpells could be like an Antenna for enfeebles. i.e., using Enblizzard before you use Paralyze wouldn't help it land, but would make Para proc more often.

I had such great ideas before the exp grind of the 60s sucked me dry

[Omni]

Re: Request &gt;&gt; RDM soloing Genbu

^^ leo is umm...flexing or sticking his hands up in glee?

but rdm can solo genbu, how fair is that! ;p
/pokes wishmaster to start a nin debate...


jk. off work now. woo!

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Request &gt;&gt; RDM soloing Genbu

HA! Don't get me started on NIN. . .well, actually, you got me there. Convo's with my friend go like this:

>>FriendA: Yo, I just got like, 5 Manticore Hairs in the past hour
FriendA>>: Oh? Who are you duoin wit?
>>FriendA: -.- RDM75/NIN25
FriendA>>: -_
>>FriendA: What? It wasn't like they're hard to fight solo. . .
FriendA>>: If I could Haste, Cure and Buff myself while Debuffing the mob, nothing below EM would be hard. . .
>>FriendA: t(-_-t)


But what can I say about NIN? Honestly, I like NINs. . . hmm, I don't. . . think I have any particular qualms with any job that takes hits so my soft Taru flesh stays alive.

My only problem are the lazy NINs who, post 37 when mobs are evil, only use Utsusemi to tank. That just . . . irks me. And the reasons I dislike NIN as a job are the fault of the economy. What's WITH that? Each of the tools for the elemental wheel spells is 20k a stack -.-

Utsu is 10-15k on Gilgamesh varying between different peak times. Jubaku:Ichi is 500k and Hojo is 330k

330k to run around and look for a ??? . . .

500k for a 30k Damp Scroll. . .

I sold Kurayami for 20k today. . .

And It only cost me maybe 1k worth of Rusty Subligars. . .

ppl are retarded >.> How do you guys afford NIN past 37. . . how do you farm? I don't think anyone farms as a NIN or a RNG, otherwise you're just spending money trying to make money. Gah, and gear, gear cost so much because to be an awsome NIN, you're required multiple sets of gear.

What, you guys think you're RDMs? /laugh

RDM is the only job that uses more than 1 set of armor. We don't eat INT food and stock up on MND gear (hey' that's save a lot of money)

At least if you guys retire, you can sell your gear. What about me? what about the money I spent on scrolls?!?!?

Melee's have it easy. I can be NIN, all I need to know is how to count up to four and subtract =o