Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

[Rodin]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

What you guys are arguing is absolutely baseless... just play by the new rules.

Even though a GM told me that it is a known problem?

My argument has a point. The system is glitched. I've already stated the reason why. To most people, it seems to be relevant. I'm just unerstaniding why you're having a hard time accepting my points as valid arguments.

[Tsikuro]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Even though a GM told me that it is a known problem?

My argument has a point. The system is glitched. I've already stated the reason why. To most people, it seems to be relevant. I'm just unerstaniding why you're having a hard time accepting my points as valid arguments.

GMs say many things.
Personally, I'm not going to believe it until I see a screenshot, or a post on POL's frontpage.
I don't think it's glitched, I'm totally cool with it.
Whoever pulls *more* hate if the mob aggro's someone, gets the claim... where's the glitch?

You're just mad because you lost a claim to someone more resourceful than you. =/

[Rodin]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

You're just mad because you lost a claim to someone more resourceful than you. =/

They voked it....not only did our SMN have to aggro it to make it Visible (People who have capped Shiki weapon knows it pops invisible until aggroed.)

Now, my LS aggroed it, THEN used shadowbind on it, and still didn't get claim. LS B just ran up and voked it.

Glitch, I think so.

Lack of resourcefulness, I think not.

[Tsikuro]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

They voked it....not only did our SMN have to aggro it to make it Visible (People who have capped Shiki weapon knows it pops invisible until aggroed.)

Now, my LS aggroed it, THEN used shadowbind on it, and still didn't get claim. LS B just ran up and voked it.

Glitch, I think so.

Lack of resourcefulness, I think not.

I still don't see the glitch, but I do see the lack of resourcefullness. -_-
You should've known in advance that you'd need a voke, especially if you were competing against another LS that was ready to 'steal' claim.

[Rodin]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

I still don't see the glitch, but I do see the lack of resourcefullness. -_-
You should've known in advance that you'd need a voke, especially if you were competing against another LS that was ready to 'steal' claim.

We didn't know it was going to glitch up like that. Shadowbind is supposed to claim. Like I said, go use shadowbind on mob outside Bastok. It claims. Shadowbind is a 100% claim, when not under these glitchy circumstances. Have a RNG in your HNMLS claim Zipacna with Shadowbind. The name will go Red.

SHADOWBIND CLAIMS.

What I'm saying is that my alliance had all the hate up until the voke. The name should have went red, and we should have had the claim. BUT, it didn't claim, then LS B came along, and claimed using provoke.

Under normal circumstances, the mob would have been claimed after the shadowbind. That's not up for debate, because you can go test it, and 100 times out of 100, if you use shadowbind on a mob, it will be claimed. Now, if you party with somebody, and they get aggro, then you shadowbind, then it will go unclaimed. That's the glitch. It should not happen that way. The claiming system is broken as of now. I've seen people claim with mug. In fact, that night, my LS claimed King Arthro with Mug, an ability with negligible hate. No vokes went off until after the mob's name went red. So why didn't it happen at Shikigami Weapon?

Double Post Edited:
Going to add this:

This new method of claiming was used to prevent a form of MPK that was knowing as "Low Enmity MPKing".

Basically, if somebody had a mob, and it went unclaimed, and somebody used steal for instance, then the mob would be claimed to the person who used Steal, but since the enmity is on the people who were fighting the mob, they would be taking the hits, and have no way to fight back, because it was claimed.

This recent patch was to stop people from taking the claim of a party who had hate from a mob. Since my alliance had hate, through aggro, then shadowbind, it still should have been claimed by us. But LS B came up and voked. This is an obvious flaw in the system that SE designed.

This wasn't a patch to adjust claiming, it was an MPK patch. So technically, there should be no difference in claiming whether you're using Provoke, Shadowbind, Steal, Mug, etc. The flaw lies in the fact that my alliance had enmity, but it still went unclaimed. LS B had no enmity on them what-so-ever until they voked it.

[durecellrabbit]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

I have'nt noticed any problems with claims yet. Is this something that only happens in alliances and high level NM? I came after the changes to the claiming system.

[Rodin]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

No, it can happen to low levels too. Have one of your high level friends party with you, have them aggro a gob in Valkurm, and then use Steal on it. It will remain unclaimed due to this glitch.

[Lasswyn]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

... just play by the new rules.

I don't really want to get embroiled, but what ARE the new rules, exactly?

If the only thing that's changed is the fact that you have to reach X hate level in order to claim, then the amount of hate generated by action Y has remained the same. Right? (I'm not good at word problems, so bear with me.) If, for example, Shadowbind used to claim 100% of the time (I'm trusting on you guys, my RNG is lvl 5) and now it doesn't, then the claim bar has been raised, right? Right.

But where is the bar now? And if we no longer know how much hate one action generates, doesn't that kinda throw the enmity of all actions into question? I don't know if anyone's ever done a chart on how much hate you get from doing this or that, but if they have, doesn't that chart have to be thrown out and totally redone? It's all well and good saying we have to play by the new rules, but we don't have access to the rulebook.

Or....y'know.....maybe it could be, like.......I dunno.....glitch or sumthin'. All things being equal, the simplest solution is usually correct...

*hides under the sofa*

[Taskmage]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Ok, look dammit.




Let me repeat that last part for you. In the case where the action of B generates enough enmity to cause the monster to attack him, he claims the monster. Now, let's look at our example.



If you still think there's no bug and that's the way the system is supposed to work, there's no reasoning with you.

[Lasswyn]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

*still hiding under sofa from Kailea and Tsikuro*

...or to put it another way, one of the following is broken:

A. Claiming
B. Shadowbind

Considering one of these was recently tinkered with...well...which is the simplest solution?

[Murphie]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

I hate to be obtuse, but it seems to be a perfect example of those rules playing out.

1. Monster had enmity towards Rodin's alliance.
2. Alliance B uses a higher enmity claim.
3. Alliance B now has control of the mob.

Clearly there is a problem if Shadowbind used to claim and now doesn't, but so did Dia and Poison and other spells that no longer do. Wasn't there anyone else that had an ability on hand that would have had enough enmity to secure the claim?

[Taskmage]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

/sigh

"In the case where the action of B generates enough enmity to cause the monster to attack him, he claims the monster."

Cort generated enough enmity for the mob to attack him but did not get claim.

Cort is the person who took the screenshot.

[Rodin]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Also note that My alliance had hate the whole time, so when shadowbind landed, it should have claimed. The other LS didn't have any hate until they voked.

[Lasswyn]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

And it can't be said either that the hate from Shadowbind was dissipated, because hate dissipates when the mob hits you, and the weapon's attack missed, right?

(Hey, I think I'm getting the hang of this! *still hiding under sofa*)

[Murphie]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

/sigh

"In the case where the action of B generates enough enmity to cause the monster to attack him, he claims the monster."

Cort generated enough enmity for the mob to attack him but did not get claim.

Cort is the person who took the screenshot.

I thought Cort was person A.