Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

[Kailea]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

I don't see how it's not a glitch. Go and do something that's low enmity like steal, or mug. A samurai in my HNMLS claimed King Arthro with Mug. That is a low enmity move. The glitch is the fact that it aggroed, THEN we tried to claim, and it went unclaimed. We had hate on the mob, then it was voked.

If the system does that to all mobs, then why does:

Shadowbind claim Zipacna.

Mug claim King Arthro.

Ranged attacks, even missed ones, claim XP mobs.

Explain that to me, please. If this isn't a glitch, then why is it that we were not able to claim Shikigami weapon with a job ability that usually claims NMs. It's because of the new claim system, it went from Agrro to being shadowbound and not claimed. Enmity, or hate, did NOT leave my alliance until it was provoked. This is a GLITCH. The GM told me he's gotten many calls like this since April. I would have screen shotted my conversation with the GM, had it not been for me playing on Xbox.

So far we know.

Shadowbind DOES claim.

Shadowbind SHOULD have claimed Shiki Weapon, because hate did not leave our alliance.

The mob went unclaimed, due to a glitch in the new claiming system.

I don't understand how you can not see it was glitched. It was clearly a mistake, and we should have had the claim.

Don't tell me it's not a glitch until you actually test out non-damaging job abilities like steal and shadowbind on mobs. They DO claim, had the weapon not aggroed our SMN, we would have had claimed. This IS A GLITCH IN THE SYSTEM.

in that case, really.... get over it, to me it sounds like you lost clame because you did not do enuff damage to begin with, and yes that is how the system is supost to work, the system could care less if you where the first one attacked. Get over it and just try again, things happen, stuff dies, and little errors in programing pop up randomly. Not every thing can be perfect, and this goes for programing as well. oh and the GM saying its "messed up" Never listen to a GM they have no clue when it comes to game dev.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

No Kailea - the claim system is really messed up.

Steal claims, Mug claims, dia claims, shadowbind claims, even ancient magic claims. Any offensive action against the mob can claim... however...

And this is the point you're failing to grasp completely...

In an alliance... if your teammates not in your direct party have aggro, and you try and claim - you have to outclaim *them* to claim the mob.

So - hee hee hee (I'm actually laughing at this).. I have to outclaim my alliance, to get claim on a mob now? Working as intended... hahahahah... give me a break. I understand that I need to outclaim others, but my own party.. working as intended.. roflmao.

That's so broken - it hurts.

If me and my alliance are struggling to claim a mob because we're competing (against each other) over it... it gives an opposing team enough time to AM the damn thing and beat both of us, even though we've dropped it down as a team by a good number of percent trying to make it go red.

Working as intended? Hahahahahaha. No. Not at all. Not by a long shot.

[Kailea]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

uummm then acauly think and let one team do more dmage.... good lord its not that hard to understand.......

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Kailea, if I ever needed to explain what a fanboi is to a layman I'd just point to any of your posts on this thread. People provide credible proof the system is broken based on their experiences in game and discussions with GMs and you just sit there repeating the game is working as intended, you're all at fault, get over it.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Ok.. you are aware how hate works right?

If a balanced "alliance" - is trying to establish hate on a mob, and they don't have claim... it's not like an autoclaim... and when I thunk about it acualy (think about it actually) - it's not working right. When I'm relying on my team to do what they're meant to do.. they're going to be generating hate... regardless of what I do... it's called being part of a team.. not a one man show.

I know you're being a fanboi - but really - SE dropped the ball with this one. It's not working right when I have to outclaim my own team. Good lord and all..

Think about this - when my teams actions are counterproductive to my own, in a system where they should be working alongside my own... does that sound sensible to you? It's not too late for you to turn around and say - oh god.. you're right, that is nonsensical. Not that I've ever see you ever admit to anything.

Rodin and co, you have my complete empathy with this system... alliance stuff is really messed up. For those of us who have worked in teams - we know what you mean. For those of you who're in favour of a system which is counterintuitive and counterproductive to co-operative play - well, what more can I say?

No Kailea - your arguements are not that hard to understand, but that doesn't make them correct. When something hinders group play, and promotes claim stealing - if you're on the side of claim stealing - I can only ponder whether it's something you're now taking advantage of?

You only beat me by a minute though! Seems like I'm not the only one thinking that then.

[Taskmage]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

oh and the GM saying its "messed up" Never listen to a GM they have no clue when it comes to game dev.

Again, but you do? The GM who actually works with SE, has contacts with developers and works with tools on a daily basis that give him a clearer perception the game's workings than any player has no clue how things are supposed to work or what is happening behind the scenes when he says it's broken and being worked on, but we're supposed to take your word for it that SE intended for it to work this way?

[Aeolus]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Kailea knows everything about it and SE are never wrong/makes mistakes. Stop complaining.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Brain of knowledge is teh irony - like teh steely.. densaru! ^^

[Kailea]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Again, but you do? The GM who actually works with SE, has contacts with developers and works with tools on a daily basis that give him a clearer perception the game's workings than any player has no clue how things are supposed to work or what is happening behind the scenes when he says it's broken and being worked on, but we're supposed to take your word for it that SE intended for it to work this way?

GMs do not work with SE, they are outsourced, and are only give info informs of new letters and things like that. I am not a fanboy -.- nor is SE or me right all the time, just because you dont like or cant understand the new system, does not mean it is screwed up. Getting tired of all the bitching people make, things get fixed/ajusted all the time, so just shut up already, all of you -.- oh yeah and on a side note.... Taskmage I dont think you should have stickied your "Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken" thread....... it should not be a sticky thread because it is not info that should be there forever -.-

Double Post Edited:

Brain of knowledge is teh irony - like teh steely.. densaru! ^^

yeah thanks for the "very cunning" (my butt) comment sugesting I am dumb or stupid....... you can just bite me

[Taskmage]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Taskmage I dont think you should have stickied your "Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken" thread....... it should not be a sticky thread because it is not info that should be there forever -.-

I didn't sticky it, nor does a sticky mean it should be there forever. Stickies come down all the time.

When one company gets another company's employees to do work for them and work conjunctively with them, they are working with eachother.

It's been acknowledge two or three times that they probably do not have perfect or intimate information about going-on at SE, but I think their information is better than yours.

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Kailea - I'm going to put this only once and politely...

You really are a self important manthra.

Yes - I know I'm arrogant... but I am also that good.. there's a world of difference.

This isn't the first time you've thought threads shouldn't be stickied because they offend your notion that the sun shines out of Square's posterior or because in fact - they prove what many of us have said behind your back, but had the decency not to say to your face... you're gimped and we want nothing to do with you.

You're not capable of using capitalisation or punctuation or spelling correctly - so why on earth would anyone reading forums want some trumped up, self important SE worshipper who'll never see the broad side of anything other than exp-grind for "special" people - moderating forums? Especially not ones as good as these.

Actually - the GM's you get to speak to - probably aren't sourced directly to SE, but a large proportion are.. you are aware that SE runs SoE games in Japan and SoE handles some things in the West... aren't you? There probably is some crossing of information that you - oh Brain of Self Important Wisdom aren't privy to.

Your opinion is great - for giving people giggles. But that's about the long and short of it. The Claim system is broken. Fact. End of Story. Your notions that we shouldn't do damage to get claim are basically rediculous. Your arguements are weak, and flawed beyond my worst posts when drunk, tired and having to read drivel by people who can't see beyond the end of their ego (yes - the irony isn't lost on me - I am arrogant, but I can also type a sentence - world of difference).

Rodin, TheGrandMom and Co - we know the claim system is broken (hence why I'm posting in this thread), I'm sorry for going off topic - and if the mods feel warranted in giving me a bollocking, I will accept it with an apology. I'm sorry if I've gone off topic here, but the notion that the mods here shouldn't be stickying things that are genuinely flawed - because of someone who'd tell you straight faced that Last Resort has a better effect than Berserk - thinks it's innapproriate, well... makes this little Tarutaru /cry.

- Saeriel

[Rodin]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

The GMs have to be working with SquareEnix, why? Because they're policing the game. Not only that, but who do you think gives the GMs their copy and paste answers? The "suboridnate" companies? No, the GMs are given a memo about the internal workings of the game, so that if a customer complains, and has a valid point, they can tell the customer what's going on. The GM could have said, "I'm sorry, I can not release that information at this time." Which I've been told many times when I've asked a question. But, when I told him the claim system is broken, the GM said to me, "We know the new MPK patch is broken, and has been causing problems like this. The development team is finding a fix to this problem. I'm very sorry about what has happened today, and I ASSURE (he used caps for that) you, this problem will be fixed soon."

Also, when players report bugs to the GMs, who do you think the GMs have to answer to in order for a patch to fix it? That's right, the development team. So in a way, SE and GMs DO work together.

[Stockyboy]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Kailea - I'm going to put this only once and politely...

You really are a self important manthra.

Yes - I know I'm arrogant... but I am also that good.. there's a world of difference.

This isn't the first time you've thought threads shouldn't be stickied because they offend your notion that the sun shines out of Square's posterior or because in fact - they prove what many of us have said behind your back, but had the decency not to say to your face... you're gimped and we want nothing to do with you.

You're not capable of using capitalisation or punctuation or spelling correctly - so why on earth would anyone reading forums want some trumped up, self important SE worshipper who'll never see the broad side of anything other than exp-grind for "special" people - moderating forums? Especially not ones as good as these.

Actually - the GM's you get to speak to - probably aren't sourced directly to SE, but a large proportion are.. you are aware that SE runs SoE games in Japan and SoE handles some things in the West... aren't you? There probably is some crossing of information that you - oh Brain of Self Important Wisdom aren't privy to.

Your opinion is great - for giving people giggles. But that's about the long and short of it. The Claim system is broken. Fact. End of Story. Your notions that we shouldn't do damage to get claim are basically rediculous. Your arguements are weak, and flawed beyond my worst posts when drunk, tired and having to read drivel by people who can't see beyond the end of their ego (yes - the irony isn't lost on me - I am arrogant, but I can also type a sentence - world of difference).

Rodin, TheGrandMom and Co - we know the claim system is broken (hence why I'm posting in this thread), I'm sorry for going off topic - and if the mods feel warranted in giving me a bollocking, I will accept it with an apology. I'm sorry if I've gone off topic here, but the notion that the mods here shouldn't be stickying things that are genuinely flawed - because of someone who'd tell you straight faced that Last Resort has a better effect than Berserk - thinks it's innapproriate, well... makes this little Tarutaru /cry.

- Saeriel

Pwnd, definition successfuly refined. Kailea seriously, you are a nice person, but on forums you come across as really dumb.

[Rodin]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

Please, no calling anyone names, I don't want this thread closed. Please, leave it to discussion, while Kailea might have a few flawed points, it's still a legitimate discussion.

[Tsikuro]

Re: Why the new claim system P***es me off greatly.

You're sidestepping his point, though.

You'd be singing a very different tune if it happened to you.

Nah, I'm not sidestepping anything.
You're just too blind to read, apparantly.
I clearly said "making assumptions", yadda yadda yadda.
If it did happen to me, then it's because I *lost the claim*.
You don't blame the system on *losing the claim*.
What you guys are arguing is absolutely baseless... just play by the new rules.