Main Job/Sub Job confusion

[SSJGotenx268]

So I understand that you can max out every job, so then where does that leave the subjob? Is it that you can max them all out, but if you were to choose a lvl 75 job as your subjob it would halve it? I'm brand new to the game so I'm just a little bit confused

Also, can you switch your main jobs too? Let's say I was a RDM/WHM, can i switch it to WAR/NIN if I wanted to? Just throwing an example out there.

[Armando]

Re: Main Job/Sub Job confusion

So I understand that you can max out every job, so then where does that leave the subjob? Is it that you can max them all out, but if you were to choose a lvl 75 job as your subjob it would halve it? I'm brand new to the game so I'm just a little bit confused

Precisely. Let's say you have WAR at 75, THF at 50, and MNK at 20. On WAR, if you pick THF as your sub job, THF will be restricted to Lv.37. If MNK were your sub job, it would still be 20 (which would be a problem, because ideally it would be 37.) If you changed main jobs to MNK, then both THF and WAR would be limited to Level 10 as sub jobs.

And yes, you can change both main and sub jobs in your Mog House. Only the main job will acquire EXP so in order to have a levelled up sub job, you would have had to use that job as your main. The only way to be a Level 75 WAR/37 NIN is if you were NIN/something and levelled NIN up to 37 (or more).

[KingOfZeal]

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You can switch main and subjobs. But, your subjob cannot be higher than half the main job level, rounded down.

Nothing happens to the job level when it's subbed, it's just capped. In this case, you can't access abilities or spells above the capped level, and the stats you get from it also reflect the halved level. Nothing else happens to the subjob (it's not lowered or deleveled).

You may be confusing a cap and something else -- a cap is a voluntary and temporary effect that's placed on you. When the cap is released or made higher, then you revert back to the same state you were pre-cap, if that makes any sense.

[SSJGotenx268]

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Precisely. Let's say you have WAR at 75, THF at 50, and MNK at 20. On WAR, if you pick THF as your sub job, THF will be restricted to Lv.37. If MNK were your sub job, it would still be 20 (which would be a problem, because ideally it would be 37.) If you changed main jobs to MNK, then both THF and WAR would be limited to Level 10 as sub jobs.

And yes, you can change both main and sub jobs in your Mog House. Only the main job will acquire EXP so in order to have a levelled up sub job, you would have had to use that job as your main. The only way to be a Level 75 WAR/37 NIN is if you were NIN/something and levelled NIN up to 37 (or more).

Awesome. That clears a lot up! Thanks a lot And I'm assuming leveling up a subjob is the same as leveling up a main job? So I'll have to go through all the pain and suffering to level up another job

[Ellipses]

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Awesome. That clears a lot up! Thanks a lot And I'm assuming leveling up a subjob is the same as leveling up a main job? So I'll have to go through all the pain and suffering to level up another job

Nah. You'll have to go through all the pain and suffering of leveling five or six other jobs. At least.

(You've got the idea right, though; you can only level your main job. So if you want THF as a sub, you have to switch to THF and level that.)

[Susurrus]

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PROTIP: Most (all?) jobs will want to have multiple subjobs leveled.

[Armando]

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It's not as bad as you think, really. Actually, I would say it's better that you have to level multiple jobs. Teaches you a thing or two. Aspiring PLD and NIN tanks need to have levelled WAR which means they'll have picked up some damage dealing fundamentals, and likewise most damage dealers have to level up WAR and NIN, which means they learn some tanking basics as well.

[SSJGotenx268]

Re: Main Job/Sub Job confusion

Nah. You'll have to go through all the pain and suffering of leveling five or six other jobs. At least.

(You've got the idea right, though; you can only level your main job. So if you want THF as a sub, you have to switch to THF and level that.)

Well that makes me feel SO much better I hope it will be fun for each class lol. It seems like it would get kind of boring, but I'm hoping it's not

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Precisely. Let's say you have WAR at 75, THF at 50, and MNK at 20. On WAR, if you pick THF as your sub job, THF will be restricted to Lv.37. If MNK were your sub job, it would still be 20 (which would be a problem, because ideally it would be 37.) If you changed main jobs to MNK, then both THF and WAR would be limited to Level 10 as sub jobs.

And yes, you can change both main and sub jobs in your Mog House. Only the main job will acquire EXP so in order to have a levelled up sub job, you would have had to use that job as your main. The only way to be a Level 75 WAR/37 NIN is if you were NIN/something and levelled NIN up to 37 (or more).

Just to add to this, there is one notable exception to the subjob rules:

Beastmaster and the Charm job ability.

Let's say you want to solo RDM/BST 1-75. To do this successfully from the outset all the way to 75, you'd need your BST levelled to 75. If your RDM is 75 and your BST is 37, you can expect Charm to fail just about all the time. If your BST is 75 and you then go 75RDM/37BST, the system still recognizes you as having BST's Charm as though it were the power of Charm to a 75 BST, so you'd have more success charming.

Its the only exception to the rule in the subjob system. SE hasn't explained the reasons behind it, but I don't care for them to explain or change it.

[Armando]

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Its the only exception to the rule in the subjob system. SE hasn't explained the reasons behind it, but I don't care for them to explain or change it.

If I had to guess, it would be because a 75 Whatever/BST having the same charming power as a 75 BST would be broken, yet being restricted to the charming power of a Level 37 BST when subbed would be pretty useless since Charm is practically the only thing the sub brings to the table.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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If I had to guess, it would be because a 75 Whatever/BST having the same charming power as a 75 BST would be broken, yet being restricted to the charming power of a Level 37 BST when subbed would be pretty useless since Charm is practically the only thing the sub brings to the table.

That's probably most of the reason, the other being Virelai is so completely useless to BRD that /BST's charm would at least be more useful if Crowd Control situations benefit from using the mob rather than just holding them.

Which isn't much, but hey, helps a BRD solo at least.

[LadyKiKi]

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The moment they break it is the moment I need to find a new way to level

[Azazell]

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I can recommend lvling a lot of jobs, since you will probably not only need them as a subjob, but it also gives a nice insight to party dynamics and the role/capabilities/incapabalities of each job.

And an extra benefit is you will collect a crapload of beastmen seals which you can use to make money