What is Sky and Sea?

[Fayttt]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Both of these areas can only be accessed by high level (65+) characters.

Nah. If your good enough you can get sky/sea before 65. Even if you aren't a leech. I got sky at level 52 (was with a HNMLS doing sky runs) and i was very useful. I even got complimented on my skills.

And I'm level 60 atm on 7-5 fight. Doing it very soon, won't be 65 yet..Already had him down to 10% and wiped, i was useful in that as well. So you dont HAVE to be 65. Just easier to get people to help with them at 65.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Sea is actually fun AFTER you get your Ring, and don't have to go there for any other possible reason, except for farming organs for your Gorgets or Belts.

Exactly, thats why its not fun for me. Popping Aeren NM's (sp) with moving ???, the same monotonous corridors over and over, farming chips...and more chips....and MORE chips, ufo's >.<, JAILERS!!!!....ok I'm stopping because its only aggravating me thinking about it! *shudders*

Limbus is fine. I don't mind doing runs because its just like a shorter version of Dynamis in a way.

[Kirsteena]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Nah. If your good enough you can get sky/sea before 65. Even if you aren't a leech. I got sky at level 52 (was with a HNMLS doing sky runs) and i was very useful. I even got complimented on my skills.

And I'm level 60 atm on 7-5 fight. Doing it very soon, won't be 65 yet..Already had him down to 10% and wiped, i was useful in that as well. So you dont HAVE to be 65. Just easier to get people to help with them at 65.

I refuse to believe that anyone under 60 that isn't a mage (thus easier to leech) would be any good in say, ZM8. When i did it, I was resisted, and I was 65, a pre-65 tank or melee on it? No, thanks.

Also, I would love to see how good you are on 8-3 - cause that fight is hell for a balanced party of 75s...

[Fayttt]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

All my spells stuck on ZM8 for the record, I didn't leech it....My party was pretty much a MNK burn on him, nin rdm whm blm mnk mnk (One of our MNKs was 58, btw.).. Said NM (Don't want to spoil it for other ppl) died in about 2 minutes. All my spells stuck and stayed for the majority of the fight. They started wearing at around 8% and i didnt bother, his hp was dropping like 3%/tick. So I think with a good enough setup you can manage to drag along a 55+ DD. Tank...ok thats just suicide. But depending on your setup you may be able to squeeze in a 55+ DD.

And I know how fun 8-3 will be, hence why I'm leveling to 62 so I can ES sleepga em. Point was that I'm getting sea at level 60 and had sky at 52. But let it be known that me and many of my friends have realized I have had the potential to be about the same as a level 70 RDM..Can sleep weapons in sky without ES since 55, (without dark staff too), enfeebling level 80 NMs (okay I do get resisted a few times before it sticks but its probably like that for any high level RDM), etc. Thats why I'm pretty sure my ES Sleepga will work on those pots.

I'll be making a video when I do 8-3 too so people will see my capabilities even though I'll only be level 62-65 (Though I HIGHLY doubt I'll be over 64 as long as it takes me to level >.>)

[Rodin]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Okay, let me clear some things up about Zilart. The expansion came out when the level cap was set in stone around level 60-65. Therefore, it wouldn't be that hard for a level 65 RDM to enfeeble and have them stick on any of the BCNMs.

Now, you said you're on 7-5. You're going to definitely be at least level 70 before you can do this BCNM and win. I had an entire party of 75s (my set) who tried to do this. To be quite honest, RDMs really do suck in this BCNM even when they're 75. The description says you have 30 minutes to complete this BCNM. That's BULLSHIT. You have more around 2 minutes to zerg his ass before he uses his level 4 AoE renkei. Cosmic Elucidation. It's just like snoll, where if you don't kill him fast enough, you get knocked out. So you have to do do as much DMG as you possibly can in about 2 minutes. Now, we tried the chainspell stun route after his 2hr, but that didn't work. So we had our RDM switch to his RNG. That battle went something like this:

ME - WHM - Used Melee gear, sleep pots, STR rings, Reverend Mail. I got to skillchain with the DRK.

DRK - Skillchained with the WHM.

MNK/NIN - He was the tank, we had our NIN switch to RNG too.

2x RNG - They were our set's NIN and RDM. They had full god gear, and a lot of nice R. Attk gear. They were there for Sidewinder/Slugshot whoring.

Basically, we went in, MNK 2hred, I kept him healed.
He spammed asuran fists.
I renkeid with DRK, BLM MB with Thundaga III.
MNK ended up going down during the renkei.
So the BLM got killed right after.
RNGs went Slugshot/Sidewinder -> Barrage -> Another Sidewinder.
Me and DRK used Icarus Wings.
Skillchained again, another light.
RNGs used icarus wings.
Sidewinder/Slugshot again.
Then one of the RNGs went down.
We thought we were screwed until......
The other RNG EES his ass for 600 DMG.
Fight was over and we got sea.

Basically, if you don't want to be leeching this BCNM. You'll want to have at least Fire III or Blizzard III. That way, you can chainspell, and if not resisted, do a LOT of DMG in a short amount of time.

[Kirsteena]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Can sleep weapons in sky without ES since 55, (without dark staff too), enfeebling level 80 NMs (okay I do get resisted a few times before it sticks but its probably like that for any high level RDM), etc. Thats why I'm pretty sure my ES Sleepga will work on those pots.

I'm calling BS on the sleeping weapons. 55, without a darkstaff or tabard - the 50s are notorious for resists till tabard. That I seriously doubt and would have to see proof - also with an underlevelled smn sub?

I'm a good rdm but I struggled then. But the previous poster was right - you want access to high tier spells for 7-5.

Anyway whats the rush? Enjoy the run to 75 without dying too many times - there will be time enough for the fun later.

Edit: why are you even trying to sleep anything without a darkstaff anyway?

[Rodin]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Yeah, those weapons are still IT to level 70 players I believe. I don't know if the poster was telling the truth. Seeing as he didn't have Elemental Seal, sleeping one of those things would really suck. Especially without enfeebling magic skill +. Also, I don't believe any HNMLS would take a long a RDM at level 55 and have him enfeeble gods (assuming those are the level 80 NMs).

[TheGrandMom]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Well I call BS also. We tried getting a blm in our ls Sea pre-70 and it was absolutely a no go. This was a skilled experienced player and we tried several different setups and strats.

Also, if I was such a low lvl and accomplished something so spectacular at that lvl, I would have screenshots for bragging rights. Got any to squelch the doubts?

[Fayttt]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Heh well I got lucky a few times. I didn't say the spells NEVER got resisted, my sleeps do still get resisted. It's just that 75% of the time they don't.

Screenshots. Yes I happen to have them, as matter of fact. Let me find them and upload them.

And I'm aware I have about 2 minutes to zerg the shit out of 7-5. Trust me, I got a plan for it. My friend killed him with 4 MNKs or so he says, and it would make perfect. sense. Two of them could sub nin and rip agro off. I can still get a few dispels off. All monks sleep to 300% TP before fight. Open the fight with 4 x asuran fists with 300% TP will do what, 4k damage? According to some guides he has around 13.5k HP. So then they pop an icarus wing. Boom, I bet about another average of 2k HP. So he'll be down to about 60% now. That's when he pops his food. (I know its around there, I did this fight and had him to 19% before.) That's when they all use Hundred Fists and SPAM the fuck out of Asuran Fists. If its done good enough that could do another 3-4k HP. So, thats 10k. He'll probably get off about 1 or 2 WS. I could also now sub BLU and chainspell headbut his ass so he wouldn't get one off. Then he would be at 10%, probably get one off, or if i dont sub BLU, the last one. That's when I chainspell thunder two for the win. My thunder 2 does ~190 damage to him ordinarily. I can pump off about 10 nukes (757 MP without food). That should be enough. I've yet to try it, but hopefully I'll win.

Okay i'm looking for screenies. Will edit when I find them.

Kk. Edit. This picture is of right before 7-4..Oddly enough I didn't have 7-5 screenies..I'll run down to Sealion's Den tonight and get one. Too lazy atm. But here's the last c/s before 7-4 to prove I'm at least on 7-4 (and we all know how easy uncapped NMs that arent in a battlefield are..shouldnt suprise you that i was able to get those =P)

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3097/740oj.png (Might have to copy and paste the link also. I'm new to ffxionline and I remember there being some way to make this a drop down bar to prevent spoilers, but I couldn't find it, so I just linked it so if people dont wanna see the spoilers. It's really not that major spoilers either but, meh. Gonna do the same with 7-5 tonight.

And now, for the sleeping of a Decorative Weapon in sky:


That one may be a bit hard to see. However, if you save the image, and use a program to zoom in very deep, you can see that at that time, I am wearing a Tactican Magician's Coat and some sword, more than likely my Crimson Blade because that was way before I had gotten my gear upgrades. No Dark Staff. No Tabard. No ES..That is difficult to prove though. The Best I can do is that you can see from the point that I began casting Sleep 2 to the time it was slept at. I'll go do it again also if that is not enough evidence..I'll go sleep another one and will show the whole chat log. Let me know if you want that much proof, I don't mind.

I honestly thought I'd have more evidence. But I'll get some more.

And Edit: I die too much, so I dont think ill ever even reach 75. Besides, I've been in 3 HNMLS's now..I'm already involved in the drama ._.

[Kirsteena]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Ok you managed to sleep a weapon, I still stand by the fact that effectively you are leeching off people. You can be as good as anyone, but without the effective levels of enfeebling magic that come from levels, you are going to struggle with the final battles in CoP.

No Dark Staff at 51+?? Why?? Its the most useful piece of equip you can get - 10hmp? I don't know any mage that wouldn't be without it. 45k only on my server. Actually cheaper than a Crimson Blade.

I do some kooky stuff on rdm (I'm dicking about with rdm/war for now for our regular KS farming parties), but meh.

[Fayttt]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Okay first off, they were 250k on my server. I am known to be one of the most broke bastards on my server. I had a Dstaff in my inventory by some miracle. I had no time to equip it. I just needed to risk it all and sleep the damn thing.

Next. How am I leeching off of people if everything up until this battle was capped? I won't be leeching this battle either. (Said NM) can be debuffed by me. Doesnt last long. But he can be. I can still heal. I can still refresh. I can still haste. I can still do every god damned thing but an extra 250 damage from one nuke. I won't be leeching. As I said, I'm done after this fight, and I just want sea.

[Rodin]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Okay first off, they were 250k on my server. I am known to be one of the most broke bastards on my server. I had a Dstaff in my inventory by some miracle. I had no time to equip it. I just needed to risk it all and sleep the damn thing.

Next. How am I leeching off of people if everything up until this battle was capped? I won't be leeching this battle either. (Said NM) can be debuffed by me. Doesnt last long. But he can be. I can still heal. I can still refresh. I can still haste. I can still do every god damned thing but an extra 250 damage from one nuke. I won't be leeching. As I said, I'm done after this fight, and I just want sea.

1st off, you seem to need to be educated on what an equip macro is. Here's how I set up my macros.

/equip Main "Pluto's Staff"
/equip Body "Wizard's Coat"
/ma "Sleep II" <stnpc>

Every time I cast sleep, I have my dark staff equipped.

Honestly, if you don't know this by level 55, and you should...., I don't seriously think you'll be killing Tenzen.

2nd) You NEED to do that extra 250 DMG with that nuke. RDM is a GOOD DD here, so long as he has Blizzard III, or Thunder III. This bastard has to go down fast, and Refreshing and Healing don't really matter. I mean, hell, I'm a WHM, a FREAKING WHM, and I was asked to skillchain for god sakes.

Take it from somebody who has done the fight. You won't be able to do it at 60. You'll want to be at least 70+ for Tenzen. No matter how much research you've done, no matter how much skill you have. (I've slept Fafnir on WHM with Sleep 1, had low INT, AND my enfeebling magic skill was about 200 on WHM, with no Skill + equipment, it's all luck son). You'll need to be 70+ for the key spells alone.

Seriously, if you apply to ANY serious HNMLS at level 55. One that does gods like Kirin, and Byakko (the others are so easy, it's not even funny.). And to the HNMLSs that do mobs like the CoP Wyrms, and the 3 land kings. They'll laugh at you. You could be the most skill fucking RDM on the server. But having levels do count. Try doing Under Observation at level 30. It's basically the same principle.

[Icemage]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Add me to the chorus of disbelievers. CoP 7-4 is totally not fun even with a full party of experienced 75s. As RDM62... sure, you can probably Dispel him, but your Chainspell nukes will barely scratch him. If he can (often) resist my fully merited Enfeebles as WHM75 (271 enfeebling magic), he'll have no trouble shrugging off your chainspelled nukes with a 13 level deficit, and you have no chance at 62 of reliably landing any debuff on him.

About the only thing you can do as RDM is maybe Chainspell heal to keep heavy damage dealers alive link 4xMNK, but even there I'm doubtful that you can win. 13.5K is too low - I've done the fight over a dozen times now to help people past that BC, and while the amount of damage dealt before a win is somewhat random, it feels closer to 14K on average. While 500 damage might not seem like much, it really is when you consider it has to be done after he uses those blasted ronin rice balls...

P.S. your subbed Headbutt will not land, and even if it connects, will not manage to Stun him. All it might do is knock him far enough back so he'll start throwing Sidewinders instead of his variations on Tachi: Kasha/Jinpu/etc. Considering his Sidewinder is much more damage, I'd hardly consider this a good idea.


Icemage

[Fayttt]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

Okay, time to prove something here. You guys don't think I could do this at 60? Fine. Heres some pics for your egos. Now eat on this.

This was a picture of immediately after the BC, first entering Al'Taieu (I had to get a pic of that in there so it wasn't said that this was photoshopped)



This was a picture of me zoning out, getting a c/s with Sueleen, and it says AlTaieu by my name, along with my level



This is a picture of all my possible job levels, so that you can see I dont have a 75, or even a 65:



This is a picture of my mission log:



This is another picture of my mission log:



This was a picture of the title after defeating him: "Unquenchable Light"



And this last picture was a few hours ago messing around in Sea.



Now...I'll say I main healed this battle. I did not debuff. There was no need to nuke. Hard to believe, but he gave up at 19%. I am wondering if it is because of the level gap..Is that fight made so that it would be fair if there was a level gap that big? I know most people have seen him give up at around 10% at the least, but he gave up at 19% for me. Odd, i know. But there's the pictures, I defeated him by main healing. Party setup was the following: NIN BLM BLM RDM MNK BRD. 75 NIN. 75 BLM. 75 BLM. 60 RDM. 75 MNK (He was really pimped out). 75 BRD. It apparently IS POSSIBLE TO WIN AT 60. Nothing..Is impossible. My dream finally comes true.

[Icemage]

Re: What is Sky and Sea?

People get Fenrir by leeching too. Doesn't mean they contributed. And RDM60/SMN25... oy. What exactly were you planning to do there again? Stare at the pretty guppies?


Icemage