Gil Selling yes or no

[DakAttack]

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This all seems to have come in waves. At first there wasn't a certain standard for equipment. Players bought what they could, and the players who could afford everything stood out. The next wave of standards rolled in when everybody adopted this ideal idea of elitism and fast EXP. All the importers were rich with great equipment and made godly EXP, so we must be like them! Too bad only a select few could legitimately afford the equipment. Buying gil became an option for players who weren't of the select few but it was frowned upon by many. The next wave is actually the acceptance of buying gil. I've seen whole linkshells of people who buy it, and it works out well for them since they all do it.

I find it really crazy. For the record, I'm not against buying it, but I am against the way people who buy it will pay any price for what they want. Buying gil did nothing to the economy, it's the way buyers jack up the prices just by giving into the seller's demands.

[Tracezero]

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it tore me apart seeing ppl got suspended for seeing others' TP.... yet the botters/mpkers remain.

Anyway today I heard S-E just banned a bunch of fishing botters... if it's true then im a little happier now.

Sushi price went up a lot however...

People already got banned for using the windower!? Damn, thats just pure BS -.- If SE doesn't want people using a 3rd party program to make FFXI windowed, Why not stop the chaos and just make a windowed version?... SE is effed up

[Sinjii]

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ooo hmm idk i think everyone should do what they want...tho yes they r lazy n many other things its their problem not mine i would buy gil but i dont hav money n i dont really need to buy gil im doin fine re selling my items to get new gear xP

[Feba]

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If they sold forum gil, Ping would do something.

...make himself more?

[lionx]

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Everyone that plays has the right to buy gil if they so desire, however it is up to the party leader to invite someone that looked like if they bought gil or not. I wont bash anyone necessarily because they bought gil, because its their choice and their money, and they have put themselves into the risk of getting scorn from the majority of the players.

That and most players that do buy end up quitting early...so whatever, your money you wont see again, thats enough for me.

EDIT: Ok maybe "right" is not the right word...but i hope you know what i mean.

[DakAttack]

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Buying gil has no effect on the economy. The resulting splurge of money on something that might usually cost less is what raises the prices. If they see the prices rise, sellers will sell theirs at that price. I don't hate you for buying the gil, but I hate what you do with it.

[Kailea]

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some people have said that Gil sellinging and buying does not effect the economy, well then you state that it is acualy the paying over what an item is worth....well duh if Gil selling was nonexistant, so would be over priceing, because fewer people would be ble to pay the higher price, so yes gilselling/buy is still affecting the economy no matter what you say, Gilselling is the crappies thing that could ever happen to any online RPG, but it happens, and because of the way it is done, it is hard to stop it -.-

[DakAttack]

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Maybe I worded it poorly, I'll try again. Of course people wouldn't be able to splurge if gil wasn't being sold in such high amounts, but it's not the gil sellers that are making them splurge. Nobody has to pay 100k more than the usual price when one person is trying to jack it up, they can be patient and wait until somebody else comes along and puts it up for a more reasonable price. There are players that I know buy gil, but refuse to pay outraegous prices for items. They don't do it to buy leaping boots, or emperor hairpin, or ochiudo's kote, they do it for general upkeep costs such as food, chocobos, new armor, ammunition. If they want something that's going for an outragious price they camp it themselves.

Maybe I'm just more understanding than most people, but that's the way I see it.

[Firstblood]

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I dont like the idea.. FF does not care about ppl buying it, just the ppl making it they are bots and that is the problem.. they need to get rid of the bots.. they also buy from other ppl who have gil for less then they selll it for.



its cheating bottom line

[Sinjii]

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well u do hav a point it is cheating but us talkin about it wont do anything we cant stop it.....

[Enialas]

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yare yare

this subject seems to bring more people out of the woodwork than the servers being down, well almost

[DakAttack]

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Let's put it this way: You decide you want to buy gil because A) You have a job in real life and you can't make virtual money because you spend your time making real money and B) There's a new and extremely expensive armor coming up that people see as neccessary, and you don't have the kind of time it takes to farm that up. Let's say you're level 58 with 200k gil and in need of a Haubergeon next level. There's no way you're going to farm up that kind of money in a reasonable amount of time and you don't want to put a serious delay on leveling. You see that the Haub has been going for 4.5million gil for every past sale still recorded. You buy 5million as a nice even number, and it costs you about $90 which is something you make in a single of day of work. You recieve the gil, and proceed to bid 4.5mil, but it fails. You bid 4.55million and it fails again. You try 4.6million and that fails. Now you realize somebody is being greedy and overcharging.

What do you?

Do you wait until there's another Haub up and bid 4.5million again? Or do you continue bidding up succeding at 5million gil and screwing over other potential buyers because sellers now jump on the 5million bandwagon? If you wait to continue bidding at 4.5million gil there's really nothing wrong with your actions. You havn't done anything to the economy, where as there are people who buy gil and overbid for items sold by greedy players. That's what screws things up.

My stance is it's your money, it's your life, it's your enjoyment. As long as you aren't harming other player's experiences in the process you're not at fault for anything. There are people who would argue that buying gil supports bad gil farmer tactics, which is true to a certain extent. Not every gil seller sells gil the same way. Some people farm it, and sell it themselves, some farm it and sell it to IGE, and some(usually the ones with similar prefixes I.E. Kisstufei/Kissxialng) are hired by IGE to work all day and earn the gil which they're paid terribly for. Different sellers work different tactics, so you could potentially support a seller who isn't a complete asshole.

How do I know all of this? I met one in-game, and before I found out he was a seller we became friends. He spoke English reasonably well, and he basically flew under the gil seller radar, as in people didn't really know he was a seller. He doesn't use dirty tactics, or bots, he isn't even a traditional gil seller. He's an average player that earns his money and then sells it independently. I bought gil from him a few times, we still talk occasionally.

I hope that doesn't get me banned. I just wanted to explain things as well as I possibly could, and I suppose that story and admittance was required to prove my credentials. Flame me, blame me, or comment freely. Just don't hate me.

[Susurrus]

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This topic is just beating a dead horse.

[lionx]

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As far as i can tell theres nothing wrong with what you did Impaction, i have similar viewsets, i just dont like the asshole gilsellers. I mean if they wanna gilsell i dont give a damn, its just a problem when they do affect your normal everyday NM camping or something like that(aka archer rings previously, now THAT was a problem, if they were farming goobue or something in Zitah i couldnt give a damn too much).

[Levinoss]

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I'm sure this is'nt where this goes, but i couldnt find a place for polls so here it is:

Voice your opinion on Gil Selling/Buying

My personal view, No.
Because it takes away from oportunities original to the game
LL camping was originaly ment for actual players not business associates to camp 24/7

well there is more to it than just that but im sure its been said already, maybe this poll as already been made without me noticing too (bleh)

I’m not sure how the economy is on FFXIO but on SWG, items were so overpriced for awhile (might still be iuno haven’t played since the CU) that unless you grinded 24/7 getting anything good was a hard task. I don’t agree with the sweathouses that have been found and stopped that were actually forcing people to play and make gold/gill w/e to sell on eBay. But I do agree that you should be able to buy gill/gold. Not being a fulltime gamer these days I could never grind like i used to.



~lev