Gil Selling yes or no

[Jei]

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it tore me apart seeing ppl got suspended for seeing others' TP.... yet the botters/mpkers remain.

Anyway today I heard S-E just banned a bunch of fishing botters... if it's true then im a little happier now.

Sushi price went up a lot however...

[Sakasame]

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well, maybe SE is making an effort and there are just too many gilsellers out there
this is where i beleive they should post GMs or Trusted Mentors or something at key locations to keep eye on things
they can keep note the behavior of a certain player and see how many times that one person shows up at that key location
if the think something is suppicious they should notify that player, or even search their character information for clues, and try to come up with proof to put more out of commission
even if something like this is brought into effect SE can only do so much im sure
its just terrible that fagit ppl like gilsellers/buyers are willing to ruin the game for others, its so stupid. and i think im gonna quit typing before i bust a blood vessel out my head:mad:

[neighbortaru]

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frankly, I don't believe SE gives a rat's ass. they get too much money from all the gil farming accounts and unless the regular paying population makes a big stink again, they're not inclined to do anything.

GMs are also not given enough power to do things when necessary. how many times have you been MPK'd by a gil farmer only to have a GM say we will review the situation? unless they see the MPK with their own eyes, they can't do anything.

[JP_Ikari]

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well, maybe SE is making an effort and there are just too many gilsellers out there
this is where i beleive they should post GMs or Trusted Mentors or something at key locations to keep eye on things
they can keep note the behavior of a certain player and see how many times that one person shows up at that key location
if the think something is suppicious they should notify that player, or even search their character information for clues, and try to come up with proof to put more out of commission
even if something like this is brought into effect SE can only do so much im sure
its just terrible that fagit ppl like gilsellers/buyers are willing to ruin the game for others, its so stupid. and i think im gonna quit typing before i bust a blood vessel out my head:mad:

This issue has been beaten down and been talked about forever. There will be nothing anyone can do about it. You, me or anyone from this forum. None. The fact it, it's there, and it will always be there. Even with massive banning it will not solve anything, it will just make them come up with a different account with another person and start from there. And the problem is, all we will see are people ranting off and on about it, but what else can you do?? None. Sorry.

JP

P.S. Though I do agree with all of you guys (and Pai), can I ask, does playing FFXI mean you have to play it 24/7 as well?? Just to get the items, the gil and so forth? Don't they have a disclaimer saying "Don't forget your friends, your family, your school and your work". What if that gil buyer's time is only concentrating on leveling and getting to see the storyline with Zilart, Country-based missions and Promathia, is it bad for that individual to use his hard earned money to get the necessary gil for him to move on instead of wasting his time to farm and get through with the game?? This type of thinking happens to people that buys the gil.

Instead of really ragging on those guys, or even calling them "Fagit, cheaters" and so forth, why not ask yourself: Do you put a standard to players that play the game? and if you do, how high does it have to be? Figure that out first, then come back and say that gil buyers are wrong. While I do agree that equipment doesn't mean jack squat, everyone still looks for them. I met a guy who's a 75 MNK playing his BLM job that said "if you friend doesn't have Vishnu's (500,000gil), C-C's (2,100,000gil) or Spartan's (1,250,000), Spectacles (3,500,000gil) and/or a Scorpion Harness (6,000,000gil) then I don't want him in the party". Yes while it may not apply to everyone, people do this type of prejudice towards players. Again ask yourself where the standard is, and then come back and tell everyone that Gil buying is wrong. We made the standard, everyone knows that. Can we blame them for that?? We can't get mad at them, instead we have to try and help em. Everyone has to lower the standards to battle these gil sellers. They don't feed into what everyone wants, they feed on what everyone think is needed. Kotes, Fumas, Snipers, Lizzies, Hairpins, name it, they farm it. You need it, they want it cause they know everyone says you need it. They sell it, you buy it, they make the gil, they sell the gil. Period. It's an endless cycle.

[Jei]

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I see no point sympathying ppl who buy gils. We all have to make money at some point, it's what we all been through. I understand how convenient it is to just buy gils compare to making them yourself however that's not an excuse to support such activities. Will anyone understand me I having to support my family so I rob a bank? There's no excuse to crimes and buying gil for me is one form of it.

[JP_Ikari]

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I see no point sympathying ppl who buy gils. We all have to make money at some point, it's what we all been through. I understand how convenient it is to just buy gils compare to making them yourself however that's not an excuse to support such activities. Will anyone understand me I having to support my family so I rob a bank? There's no excuse to crimes and buying gil for me is one form of it.

I'm only saying that the reason why people are driven to buying gil is through everyone's standard. Everyone holds a very HIGH standard that everyone gives the others no choice but to do that. Robbing a bank is totally different. You're not robbing anyone of anything. That's the sellers. All I'm saying is, if you want this shit to stop, take it up to yourself. Consider people that doesn't have the money to show off their skills, to show that they're as capable on doing their job even WITHOUT the "standard" equipment. Maybe then it will change. Again, I don't know. Everyone has this standard that every NIN has to have a Harness, every THF has to have both Lizzie, and Emp hairpin. That every mnk at 34 has to have Kote and Kyahans, that every DD has to have a Haubergeon, that a PLD has to have a damn Gluttony. Again that's the standard of how the classes are. Lower it, that's all I'm saying. Maybe THEN it might change.

JP

[Sakasame]

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lower the standard, ok i understand what your saying but i think its border line to totally bogous, if the standard is high, they should push themselves to acheive that standard, thats what the whole game is, to get that harness to get that hairpin. If you buy it, you cant brag cuz you cheated, if you did it the right way go ahead and show it off. I understand that there are jerks out there that arent goin to want to pt with becuz you dont certain items, but how many other oppurtunities are in the game, thats one reason this game is so big, there are always other things to do, and always a large number of other ppl that will pt with you regardless of wat you have or how much money you have.

and the sellers arent the only ones robbing us of anything, the buyers buy that gil then go to AH and buy every item they want, and most times they buy way over what its currently rated at, i dont know how many times ive seen a stack of fire crystals at 10k then go back down to 4k and 5k, then back up again. Its quite obvious that the buyers rob us out of what the game experience was intended to be.

And yes SE prolly doesnt give a ratsass theyre making money off of the gilsellers as well. this i think is the ultimate bullshit, but no nothing will come of the situation if all we do is complain to each other. they will always be there no matter how much anyone tries to make a difference.
But on one other note, if someone is banned, they cannot just simply remake an account, when a character is banned theyre IP address is banned as well, keeping them from loggin in with any information.

[Pounce]

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The standard wasn't always high.

When the first NAs were hitting the 50s, 60s, and 70s, sniper rings were an unknown commodity, owning haubergeon made you a celebrity, scorpion harness made you a god.

DRKs and DRGs and MNKs and what-not used to level to 75 wearing DEX and STR rings and AF.

2000-2500 exp was considered an acceptable "average", anything above 4000 was godly.

You're not supposed to "need" a hauby let alone a scorpion harness. You're supposed to do your best to get such items, but you're not supposed to make it your job to get them. The community is not supposed to cast you out like a leper for not having a hauby.

I'm fairly certain S-E did not envision a game full of fanatical exp-worshipping zealots obsessed with perfect parties and perfect gear when they designed FFXI. But that's what the game has largely become.

There are some people who don't want to play like that, and you could say that the elitists who are propagating this "must have uber gear" mentality are "robbing" more casual players of their game too. They just want to feel proud wearing their hard-earned DRK AF, but people go around calling them gimp. So what do they do? Some of them buy gil.

For your information, it's been confirmed that previously banned gilsellers have returned on new accounts, so either the gilsellers have sophisticated ways to get around the IP ban, or they don't ban using IP address.

[Anaki]

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prices go up when no one undercuts and people only put it in for higher prices. what i find odd is when V claw became easier to get it seemed to rise >.<

[Sakasame]

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when they ban, they dont always ban IP also, but its a possiblity

basicly, there isnt rally anything anyone can do about, so i guess we might as well just do what we can with what we got.

But think about this, we form our own parties that arent all about that uber gear, and instead of givin in to buying gil, do it the way its was intended, the reward is so much more appreciated that way

[JP_Ikari]

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But think about this, we form our own parties that arent all about that uber gear, and instead of givin in to buying gil, do it the way its was intended, the reward is so much more appreciated that way

Again, that's you, do you think majority of the people feel that way? No they don't. Read what Pounce just said and that makes sense. That's how everyone feels. Why do you think PLD's are shafted for NIN's?? Cause they want exp, fast exp, and WHM's don't even use MP as often. See that?? Why do you think NIN's became tanks?? They weren't intended to be tanks but they are. Again players created this "standard". You lower it, then again "Maybe" it will change. Change yer views, and they might with theirs.

JP

[Sakasame]

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i never said it didnt make sense, and your making me sound like the bad guy here, just cause i have different views doesnt mean im wrong, just means im different.

No the standards werent always high, but they arent high in all groups now, if you dont like the way people are, there are always others that may see your point of view, thats what ive been trying to get at, noone has to change, you can just find someone else that expresses the same views as you.

Its the same principle in the real world, which brings me to another point, why do we have to treat this game like the real world, its just a game, and people forget that and get all serious about gaining exp and gil, i mean wtf big deal if you dont reach that level you wanted in one day, you always have tomorrow and the next day, you dont have to get impatient and buy gil, just so you can fit in with a bunch of jerks that take this game way out of perspective

[JP_Ikari]

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i never said it didnt make sense, and your making me sound like the bad guy here, just cause i have different views doesnt mean im wrong, just means im different.

No the standards werent always high, but they arent high in all groups now, if you dont like the way people are, there are always others that may see your point of view, thats what ive been trying to get at, noone has to change, you can just find someone else that expresses the same views as you.

Its the same principle in the real world, which brings me to another point, why do we have to treat this game like the real world, its just a game, and people forget that and get all serious about gaining exp and gil, i mean wtf big deal if you dont reach that level you wanted in one day, you always have tomorrow and the next day, you dont have to get impatient and buy gil, just so you can fit in with a bunch of jerks that take this game way out of perspective

While I agree with what you are saying, that only applies to the minority of the group. Yes, you can say you don't have that standard, and I say I don't have that standard, but again, the majority of the entire WORLD doesn't view it that way. I wish every single person out there has that view, but they don't. 1 way or another someone will ask "You're 34 YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A SNIPERS RING??". Trust me, I've seen that. Everywhere. You're not the bad guy here, sorry if you felt that way. I just quoted you cause of what you said, I'm not trying to make you out as a bad guy.

As for the RL point. Dude, regardless of how much we all say it shouldn't get serious, it will always get serious. The higher you go, the more serious everyone gets. Experience, equipment, drops, anything is serious. Trust me on that.

JP

[Pounce]

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There is only one possible way to lower the standard. You need a static party of like-minded individuals who don't worship maximum exp/hour rate. That usually means being very close to a tank, healer, and refresher so that you don't have to worry about them ditching you for faster exp.

My static party went through 3 RDM and 2 WHM before we found ones "loyal" enough to stick with us. (our problem wasn't exp/hour rate, but rather how often we met each week -_-)

And that only applies to you and your party. There is no way to lower the standard on a global scale from the players' side. The only way to do it is if S-E can perform a supernerf (say, eliminate Refresh and Ballad totally).

Take for example, the cars on the road today. Many mundane "family sedans" today have engines that put supercars from the 80s and 90s to shame. When a family can have their pick of 250hp family sedans from a dozen manufacturers, do you think a car that "only" has 150hp can compete?

I think you can picture the high-demand jobs as your customers. They're the ones you really have to satisfy with your product (your party). The melee DDs tend to be easy sells since many are so desperate for exp that they'll tolerate subpar exp. The tanks, healers, and refreshers will not because they can just disband and get another, better, party without too much difficulty.

[Nodachi]

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In my opinion, if you can't do the work required to earn the gil yourself, you shouldn't be playing FFXI.

As harsh as it sounds, i agree with this. It's like... "Well I don't have enough time in real life to earn the money I want to buy this BMW, so I'll just bend the rules a bit to afford it."