Raising a Chocobos stats with food alone

[Nakti]

Re: Raising a Chocobos stats with food alone

Carrot paste is said, by the chocobo information guys, to be a physical related food. This is consistent with its recipe, which contains Vomp carrots, another physical related food. Therefore, I can only assume that it is intended to be positive for, at least, one or the other of Strength and Endurance. If it has a negative effect on Endurance perhaps it has a positive effect on Strength.

One post I saw on Alla: "Receptivity still Substandard, choco is starving feed 1 carrot paste. After feeding I checked my stats and Receptivity was back to poor, as was everything else."

There's still so much we don't know about the effect of foods. -_-;

[Macht]

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One post I saw on Alla: "Receptivity still Substandard, choco is starving feed 1 carrot paste. After feeding I checked my stats and Receptivity was back to poor, as was everything else."
There's still so much we don't know about the effect of foods. -_-;

Got image from the person reporting that one? I do have an image of the one reported to me. Perhaps the carrot paste raises the stat that the chocobo is suppose to be genetically stronger in? However it does it at the expense of the other attributes. Or perhaps the chicks and food have a totally different synergy. Like foods should only be feed if they are in a receptive state, which would mean then you'd feed it vegetable pastes and watch over to get it into high spirits then feed the carrot pastes/worm pastes.

[Nakti]

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It's posting tag

No, no image was provided - just the text which I copied and pasted.

And regarding the Bit Deficient and Substandard. Sorry, I mix them up sometimes because "Deficient" sounds worse to me than "Substandard". I'll edit my previous post.

Receptivity had gone from Substandard to A Bit Deficient. After the Vomp Carrot, Receptivity went immediately back down to Substandard.

Yes, the direct care options "cure" statuses the next daily report time, but attributes are immediately affected. Affection is an easy one to show. But another poster also said his chocobo's STR improved immediately after Compete against others. (again no screenshot, just his text)

I do have a SS of the Carrot Paste - lowering END comment. Interestingly, they didn't check the stats just before feeding so there are several Watch Overs + Carrot Paste between the two checks.

[Sabaron]

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Also the chocobo guy doesn't mention the pastes, he mentions the Vomp Carrots, Zephram Carrots, and specificies them. He then mentions San d'Oria Carrots but doesn't give specifics of what they do.

I had to look that up... You are correct. The comment was made on the Vomp Carrot, and Pastes are only mentioned in a general sense. If it does not raise Physical Attributes then someone needs to edit the Wiki Page...(and of course, provide helpful data to the contrary).

[Macht]

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I had to look that up... You are correct. The comment was made on the Vomp Carrot, and Pastes are only mentioned in a general sense. If it does not raise Physical Attributes then someone needs to edit the Wiki Page...(and of course, provide helpful data to the contrary).

Well if nakti's comment about carrot pastes supposedly lowing Receptivity can get some image proof to it, then that would help to prove that probably the pastes have some other special effect. Maybe something associated to care plans or personal care.

From my experience I've noticed that how food and personal care can effect a chocobo can seem to have large effects depending on how you do it. For example I seem to have better luck at raising the chocobo's affection if I were to feed it a greens before watching over it or doing other care plans.

So I'm also suspicious on if you take the chocobo to walks would feeding the pastes before doing the care plan and then doing the care plan have a better result then feeding after?

In that manner it would seem to give stuff like the gregarious worms and chocolixers more purpose. Just a speculation still though. Generally only based of what I've done to quick shoot my affection back to parent when I've left it alone to long. It seems to work every time, feed it a green then watch over like 10-20 times. It shoots from like a rank 4 affection all the way to 8.

[Takira]

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I have been raising my second generation chocobo with a focus on STR and END. She is female, her sire (my first chocobo) was poor stats in everything, her mother had substandard receptivity, but poor everything else. I raised first chocobo in sandy, and raising the second there as well. She has had a patient personality for about 5 days now.

Her END has been substandard for several days. Yesterday on my daily report her STR had gone up to substandard as well. However, upon feeding her a carrot paste, the STR dropped back to poor. Will wait to see if it raises back up from the care plans on today's check.

I think I will sell off my remaining pastes and feed her vomp carrots and greens only.

Thought this information may help with someone's research.

[Nakti]

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Her END has been substandard for several days. Yesterday on my daily report her STR had gone up to substandard as well. However, upon feeding her a carrot paste, the STR dropped back to poor. Will wait to see if it raises back up from the care plans on today's check.

Did you by any chance do any direct care (tell a story, etc) with your chocobo before giving the carrot paste? Or were the condition checks immediately before and after the carrot paste? Was your chocobo under any status effect (lovesick, perky, bored, etc)?

On a side note (just noting something in general and not a response to above quote), it *is* odd that carrot paste can only be synthed from Vomp Carrots with no option for Zegham Carrots. It's not as if there aren't already varied recipes for the same food.

[Takira]

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I hadn't done any direct care at that point, she is still a chick so the only options I have are take a walk (short) or watch over chocobo. She is in high spirits but no lovesickness yet.

I checked to her stats to see what her hunger level was (starving) then fed the paste and checked again to see how full she was, and that is when I noticed the drop in STR.

I did take her for 3 walks yesterdays. Her care plans are set for walking in town. Will know more later once I can get my next update (about 7:30 PM EST)

[Macht]

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Yeah, so far reports of carrot paste dropping STR, END, and DIS. I'm betting it would do the same on REC too. The question still is what does it do. Seems like it has the same unknown behavior that San d'Oria Carrots have.

[Nakti]

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Yeah, so far reports of carrot paste dropping STR, END, and DIS. I'm betting it would do the same on REC too. The question still is what does it do. Seems like it has the same unknown behavior that San d'Oria Carrots have.

The foods are still quite mysterious in their attribute effects. Some stats go up and some stats go down. Maybe it's something like increase a lower stat and decrease a higher stat? Or is it just supposed to be an Affection boost?

And what effect (if any) does personality have on the food <=> attribute equation? Feed a carrot paste to one Patient chocobo and its END goes down, feed a carrot paste to another Patient chocobo and its STR goes down. I'll try to find the posts, but I'm pretty sure I've seen reports of carrot paste causing those attributes to increase, too.

So far we have:

Patient + normal status + (watch overs) + carrot paste = END decrease
Patient + perky status + (none) + carrot paste = STR decrease

Too many unknowns for the REC decrease case, unfortunately.

[Macht]

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The foods are still quite mysterious in their attribute effects. Some stats go up and some stats go down. Maybe it's something like increase a lower stat and decrease a higher stat? Or is it just supposed to be an Affection boost?
And what effect (if any) does personality have on the food <=> attribute equation? Feed a carrot paste to one Patient chocobo and its END goes down, feed a carrot paste to another Patient chocobo and its STR goes down. I'll try to find the posts, but I'm pretty sure I've seen reports of carrot paste causing those attributes to increase, too.
So far we have:
Patient + normal status + (watch overs) + carrot paste = END decrease
Patient + perky status + (none) + carrot paste = STR decrease
Too many unknowns for the REC decrease case, unfortunately.

Well I've got a picture showing a Patient + normal status + (no personal care done) + carrot paste = END decrease.

The watch over chocobo though fits to the Receptivity style since the Exhibit to public, Act in Play, and Play with children all also Raise Receptivity. If carrot paste does balance out the stats then it would seem that the best care plan at start would be Basic Care. Don't know if the carrot paste really is for affection only, because the affection type foods never seemed to mess with those stats.

Then also the only reason I could see carrot paste having use if it equals out stats would be for the intended purpose to curving the chocobo to a specific color while being able to get affection high. That is also dependant on how much does the care plan effect chocobo color? If care plan can have a large impact to that then having carrot paste to level out the stats so you can put the one and color you want above the rest would be a reason to use carrot pastes then.

Don't know guess I'll learn more when I start my next chocobo.

[Sabaron]

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Finbarr's mumbling seems to suggest that color is only inherited.

[Macht]

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Finbarr's mumbling seems to suggest that color is only inherited.

His mumbling might suggest that but datamining suggests that it could be gained by other options that would also influence.

I believe that the parents would heavily influence a color so if the care plan is done in accordance to comidate that color it would improve the success of getting a color other then yellow. Just the only thing out of the datamining not shown is what is it that triggers the change to improve a potential color result or not.

But the thing I noticed about the Honeymoons too is:

1. Offspring gets influence of Strength, likely to get males traits.
2. Offspring gets influence of Endurance, increases chances to be male.
3. Offspring gets influence of Disscernment, increases chances to be female.
4. Offspring gets influence of Receptivity, likely to get females traits.

So the honeymoons even influence the 4 stats. Taking just the first half you see selecting one can help make the next generation stronger in that stat. Then looking at the second half if you were rewrite them it's basically you have 2 cyclers to take traits you've been working on to improve them in the offspring and 2 changers to buffer over traits gained to the opposite gender.

If you mess with the second half right you could potentialy improve every stat to reach First-Class. Basically buffering up a trait over and over till it's maxed then change over it's traits to the opposite gender so the two would then produce chocobo's abnormally stronge in that trait then buffer up another and again bump it to the opposite gender. Keep repeating and eventually you'll get a chocobo with First-Class everything it seems. Just the time it would take to do that I really don't want to think about, probably be a couple years or so.

[Sabaron]

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My 2nd gen egg started at Poor everything. I'm wondering if/when someone will actually get a baby with a greater starting value--or if it isn't just a ΔStat thing. If the +ΔStat influences compounded over time begin to exceed then -ΔStat values of the care plans, this could allow you to do this over, presumably, a huge number of generations.

I'm incredibly curious to know where these clandestine data mines are. Kindly post a link if they're available on the net or specify a tool/method for acquiring them.

[Joran Dax]

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Yeah, I actually bred my male bird with a friends female with deficient STR and END, and poor REC and DIS using the first plan. My goal for the second generation was to go all out on STR, but if that information is correct he should already have a leg up on END right out of the shell as well.

We'll have to see how that goes. I find it hard to believe though that you could start out immediately with a First Class stat. I'd be more willing to bet that you start out with a certain percent of what the particular stat was when you bred the bird, and would have to work it up from there which would certainly make it easier. But to have a race winning bird right out of the shell would be almost too easy.