Bonecrafting 101

[guyincorporated]

Yeah, I think horn arrowheads are definitely the way to go for the next couple of levels. On Fairy I sold a stack of horn arrowheads for 3400 in sandoria, so assuming no botches (which won't happen), I'm just about breaking even. Maybe a modest profit.

I plan to level off of horn arrows till 40 or 41, then add another 2 points to leathercraft, then start on carapace gear. I just love cross-skilling. Nothing like seeing +.2/+.2 on a synth.

[Target_Master]

Hmm, I'll have to investigate these horn arrowheads then...

[guyincorporated]

Aaah, new moon windsday...good time to be busting out with the horn arrowheads. Made about a gross of horn arrows, got somewhere around 1.8 skill. I'm close to 40 now.

In other news, I figured this would be a good time to make a signed spike necklace that I could wear and be proud of, so I bought the materials and the terra crystals and proceeded to make 3 fang necklaces in a row. >.<

so bummed out...


p.s. horn arrowheads dropped to 3200/dz. If its anything like beetle arrowheads, they will sharply drop in price right before I sell off my stash. /sigh.

[Foxion]

Ok .. I'v got about 400k .. i wana start a good decent craft
will 200k get me to lvl 40 or 50?

[Chanchai]

I'm 43 bonecrafting now and to be honest i'm doing it mostly for the sunglasses lol, if anyone can tell me about possible money to make i might take it past 60... that would be great and might inspire me to take it high

[Target_Master]

I made some Bone Cudgels just to get myself up to 38 in Bonecrafting before I started on my Horn Arrowheads.
I made about 7 or 8 total and I've already sold 3 in a day so... they don't sell *that* bad. Not fantastic, but... they'll be gone by weeks end so I'm fine with that.

I made 5 stacks of Arrowheads. I was buying Ram Horns for 1k-1400 on my server. In windurst there were 2k+ :mad:
Luckily I have mules in Sandoria and Bastok
I got about 0.6-0.8 rise out of that, so I'm still 38 but I failed no synths so hey, not bad, not bad at all. I'll stay with this until I hit 43 at which point I'll start on Carapace Mittens in conjuction with Masks so I can mix up my sales.
Hmm... I'll probably do the Leggings and Subligar too but I'll use adv support when making those and nothing when making the first 2 items. That way the gil income will be constant so I can rebuy materials to keep getting more skill up points.




btw Foxion, 200k should get you to 45-50, maybe higher if you make the right things. Just do some research before you get too far into it.

[Target_Master]

Well... I had a frustrating and slightly eventful day bonecrafting.
I tried to make some Bone Earring's +1 because they only cost about 1k to make yet sell for 10-11k. Well... I figured if I made 12 of them at least one would be a +1 synth giving me a nice lil chunk of gil for relatively easy work.
What I failed to notice was that Bone Earring's require a 3 in Gold Smithing, now, I was already 2 in Gold Smithing so it didn't make a different to my success rate. It's just.. there's the fact that you need to be about 30 levels above what you're making if you want to have what we call a "decent" chance at making a +1 item.

So yeah, I ended up making 24 Bone Earrings without a single +1 item, and I did this on darksday with a 2% moon phase.
On the plus side..... I'm not lvl 3 in goldsmithing, lol.

I probably won't try for any more Bone Earrings now that I know that, the next best thing for a low lvl craft I can see would have to be the Spike Necklace. costs 2k to make, sells for 9-11k on my server. I'll just try to get my crafting skill to 45 or so before attempting to make one. They say it's best to be 40-50 above what you're making but I could live with 30, at least just to try it out.

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My next major crafting mission though lies with my horn arrowheads. I probably have about 40 Ram Horns spread out between my mules. I bought all the Ram Horns for 1-1.4k and when I sell them I'll sell for 3k+
This is 40 Ram Horms I bought from 100%-0% moon phase, by the time the moon rises back up I may have 60-80 ram horns, we'll see. I don't really have much gil left.

When I finally get around to crafting though.... I'll probably rise from 38.6 to 41 at the very least I would say. It's gonna be a very productive night of crafting when I get around to it.

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Btw guyincorporated, horn arrowheads (as well as all other items) usually drop in price at the full moon/new moon cycles. Seeing as that's generally when you always seem to sell that's why the price always goes down as you sell.
I mean... it kinda makes sense, if all the crafters wait for a full moon to craft then you're getting a huge rush of items onto the market. So then they have to price competitively and that causes prices to drop. If you want the best prices just wait until the moon phase is around 30 or 70% before you start selling. Your items won't sell as fast because the woodworkers won't be crafting as much but if the price is important to you then that's what ya gotta do.

I'll continue selling at the full moon phases though personally, I prefer to just get a nice amount of skill up points then offload my stuff to the other crafters quickly so I can get my gil back for other uses.

[guyincorporated]

Originally posted by Target_Master
Btw guyincorporated, horn arrowheads (as well as all other items) usually drop in price at the full moon/new moon cycles.

I'll continue selling at the full moon phases though personally, I prefer to just get a nice amount of skill up points then offload my stuff to the other crafters quickly so I can get my gil back for other uses.

I dunno, I generally don't pay too much attention to the moon phases while crafting, although I may have to start now that skillups are slowing down.

And I'm with you. Money in the pocket is much better than a potential extra 200g/dz if I wait a week.

/undercuts market
/watches 5 new messages appear from guys bitching about people not understanding how economics work.

[onorok]

I'm making beetle harnasses to get leathercraft up. Did .9 skill up last night making 9 or 10 harnasses. Had one failure but only lost an earth crystal (I have TONS right now) and one lizard skin. On my server the price breakdown is looking like 8500 for a stack of lizard skins in San D'Oria (singles were 700 each, but not many in stock), 100 per beetle shell in Windy, and the harnass has been selling for 4000 solid in San D'Oria. So I'm spending roughly 2400 per harnass, for a 1600 profit. But I'm broke now, and waiting on all of these to sell. Once I hit 9, I'm going to start doing carpace armor to get dual skill ups.

And as for moon, day, etc., the moon phase is nice, but for skill ups I'm just concerned with the day for now. There was a nice element table somewhere on this forum, maybe in a woodworking thread. Been using that.

[Target_Master]

I didn't used to pay too much attention to the moon phase, but hey. When the items you're using cost 1500 gil each you start to care about failures a *little* bit more.
So my general pattern is if moon is 60% plus then it's good for crafting and I do MOST of my crafting at 80%+ and I always aim for lightsday or the matching element day for the crystal I'm using.

Also, if I'm attempting a +1 synth then I wait for the lowest moon phase that lands on darks day. Next time that comes around I'm gonna get enough supplies to make 12 fang necklaces and see if I get any spike necklaces ^.^
Even one would make me happy, that's a 7-9k profit. Kinda small, but it'll be a sign I'm getting closer to the big money, lol.

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I made beetle harnesses to get my leathercraft up as well a few levels back. My leathercraft as of right now is at 9. I'll either raise it when I start making Carapace Armor or I'll make some Soleas to raise it to 10 before proceeding to make my Carapace Armor.

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Anyways, I had an awesome crafting day today. I went from 38 -> 42.5 making horn arrowheads and only failed 2 synths. I'd probably have 43 in boneworking... but, when I hit lvl 40 I forgot to take the exam so I somewhat wasted 6 potential skill ups.
/fume
Oh well, I have a ton of stacks of horn arrowheads to sell but windsday is coming up and it's after 4pm eastern so I suspect that the north american woodworkers are gonna come home and see *gasp* 98/100% moon on windsday, time to craft and skill up!!!
At which point I will proceed to unload the better half of my horn arrowheads and then the rest can trickle out over the next few days.

Carapace Armor is obviously my next target with some Horn's to go on the side. It should be fun!

[Target_Master]

I did some more crafting today. Had a 0% Ice Day moon phase. So I tried making Spike Necklaces.

I successfully made 2 spike necklaces and on my server they sell for 10-11k and cost 2k to make so that's 8-9k raw profit. I made 8 Fang Necklaces which will be pretty much break even, and I failed 2 synths which is a loss of 2k each.
So.... Overall I made 16-18k total profit from just 2 Spike Necklaces and my Bonecrafting skill is only 42.5-42.9 <-- somewhere in there.

I see that gain as a sign of good things to come. The higher I get the more +1 synths I can make.

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Before the next full moon I'm gonna try to get my leather craft to 9, I thought it already was but it would seem not. Making a combination of 5-6 beetle harnesses and 5-6 beetle subligars should top me off though.

Then when the moon is full it's onto carapace armor. Sigh.... not enough gil for all of this.
*packs his field gear and pick axes so he can go mining*

I'll update you guys later, lol

[onorok]

Originally posted by Target_Master
Before the next full moon I'm gonna try to get my leather craft to 9, I thought it already was but it would seem not. Making a combination of 5-6 beetle harnesses and 5-6 beetle subligars should top me off though.

I made some beetle harnesses the other day, just waiting for them all to sell. The price on them fluctuates between 2800 and 4000 based on the city, but the one city they sell for 4000 it's solid on the price history. Materials cost about 2400 on my server.

But I'm split right now. Got a good tip on one item to level all the way to 50 right now, and get a profit, so I might put the leathercraft on the backburner for a little bit. I am going to farm some tigers though, and get tiger fangs to try and make some spike necklaces. I want to use naming crystals on them too

[Target_Master]

Good tip on an item to get to 50 with profit? In bonecrafting? The only thing I could maybe see which you could be talking about is a carapce gorget which caps at 49, I don't know how much that sells for, perhaps I'll find out.

Other item could be the Bone Rod... doubtful, that thing doesn't sell well.


Or the Astragalos which is another item I know nothing about.

It would be nice to have an alternative to Carapace Armor because that stuff doesn't sell exceptionally fast so it would take a long time to skill up...

[guyincorporated]

Heyhey, a bunch of my horn arrowheads sold yesterday and I realized that I’m not nearly as broke has I had thought that I was. So I crafted more horn arrowheads up to 42 skill. Right now my biggest obstacle is just getting leathercraft from 8 to 10 so that I can start on the carapace gear. Seriously, I can’t believe how much of a money sink low-level leathercrafting is. Although, now that I’m looking at it, with 42 bone and 8 leather, I could totally make carapace mittens (44 bone, 11 leather cap). I should get decent skillups on both, and that would save me from having to throw away 20 or 30k making soleas or some other equally futile leathercraft item. I’ll probably do it with advanced leathercraft support. Plus then I can home-base in sandoria, where supplies are cheap and plentiful. So I think my new plan will be to get set up for a hard-core crafting spree during the next full moon lightsday.

p.s. I’m up to 14,000 guild points in bonecraft. Suddenly the 70,000 I need for my sunglasses seems a lot farther away…

[Target_Master]

Heh, I haven't played since Monday so I don't know if my horn arrowheads are gone or not. I think I have 10 more stacks to offload since I made so many all at once.

Unfortunately people selling have been undercutting it like mad so hte price has gone from about 3,200 to 2,300 in about 2 weeks but I'm standing firm with my price of 2,800. Eventually the price will go back up so I'll only lower my price if I desperately need the gil.

I'll probably get fed up before then though and work the price up myself. You know, get a Linkshell member to buy 10 stacks of hornarrowheads at around 3,100 gil so that the new sellers will only undercut to 2,900-3,000 and the people buying will pay higher prices. This doesn't always work, but by the time the price goes back down if I price my stuff at 2k or so then I should offload all of my gear before the price declines again, lol.

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If you want to raise your leathercrafting higher I think you should first raise your bonecrafting to 43 making horn arrowheads once your other ones sell and then make Carapace Mittens which is lvl 44 bonecraft, lvl 11 leathercraft. If you used adv leather support like you said then you'll get a nice amount of skill up's in leather to even it out.
Solea's isn't worth it in my opinion, you'll lose more money on that than on the carapace stuff.

....know what, I just re-read your post and realized that was your intention, oh well, I'm not gonna erase what I said, lol.

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Oh, and about those bone glasses, I won't get those until I'm making really good profit from the guild, the stuff they want me to donate would make me poor in a day if I tried to get enough, lol.