Is Image Support Really Necassarry For Crafting?

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Re: Is Image Support Really Necassarry For Crafting?

Sheep leather is an easy synth from a common drop, sheep of all levels drop sheepskin. 1 sheepskin, 1 dark crystal, 1 dist. water and 1 windy tea leave ( buy in windy from vendor near gate at gate in waters-20 gil) Sheepskin is going for approx 800 to 1000 if you don't farm them. So if you can get skin at 800, the rest is approx 100, if you don't farm the crystal. Leather bandana is a good seller for 1K, synth is sheepskin and earth crystal. It's at leat a break even synth that sells well. Sells good in Bastock because the leather guild is not there, less supply, higher prices. Sells worst in Sandy where guils is- lots available-low price.
found all the leather items to be profitable and sell well which is great since they are low lwvwl synths. ( prices based on current Diabolos economy). I shop bazaars, can often find sheepskins around 500 each because they don't stack and take up a slot. I buy them whenever I see them. When I hunt sheep, I take along a stack of dark ctystals, tea leaves, and water and synth them to stackable sheep leather as soon as i get them. At 30 you could hunt jugner for ep sheep and get a stack of sheep leather in a short time.

[Snowball]

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Regarding sheep wool.

That uses sheepskins, which can only be bought from the tanners guild shop in Sandy. But they're always running out, probably due to its popularity with other players, and it can be a bit awkward trying to buy all 12 from the AH.
I suppose I could farm them since I have jobs high enough to do so, but with drops being so random, that can be a bit awkward too. I might give it some thought though.

Okay, think I'll stop for a while now. Give my fingers a rest.

[Heartily]

Re: Is Image Support Really Necassarry For Crafting?

The recipe you listed is to desynth a leather bandana into sheep leather.
The synth is sheep leather and earth crystal=leather bandana.

[Heartily]

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Heres some interesting sites, might be a little old but still informative:
https://home.comcast.net/~cosmicenigma/Crafting.htm
http://www.ultimate-destiny.net/foru...p?t=613&page=2
http://www.totalffxi.net/forum/archi....php/f-19.html

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http://monsters.ffxi-atlas.com/index.php
Looks like sheep in the dunes might be better than Jugner, depends if you like sand or hanging vines! Less crowded in jugner.

[Snowball]

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Sheep leather is an easy synth from a common drop, sheep of all levels drop sheepskin. 1 sheepskin, 1 dark crystal, 1 dist. water and 1 windy tea leave ( buy in windy from vendor near gate at gate in waters-20 gil)

Correction! That's 12 sheepskins, a stack of dark crystals, (again that's 12, as there are 12 in a stack, as you know) a stack of distilled water, and again.... a "STACK" of windy tea leaves = a stack of sheep leather.

I buy the stacks of water and tea leaves from NPCs since they are quite cheap to buy (can't remember if tea leaves are NPC sellable right now, though I think I have been known to buy them from the AH)

Sheepskin is going for approx 800 to 1000 if you don't farm them. So if you can get skin at 800, the rest is approx 100, if you don't farm the crystal.

Leather bandana is a good seller for 1K, synth is sheepskin and earth crystal.

Now THAT'S odd, because confirmation from "somepage", and "alla" is that the synth for a Leather Bandana, is a wind crystal, and sheep leather. (Not sheepskin and earth crystal as you described) So you maybe a bit wrong there I guess.

I'm NOT synthing a leather bandana, because sheep wool pays more than the leather bandana! So that's DEFINITELY a HUGE NO NO for me!

It's at least a break even synth that sells well. Sells good in Bastock because the leather guild is not there, less supply, higher prices. Sells worst in Sandy where guils is- lots available-low price.

Hmm..... I'm not quite understanding why that just because a guild is not in a certain city, that an item crafted by that guild would sell better.
It seem a bit daft to me. I've found few items to be sold around the same price on the AHs, regardless of the guild the item comes from. But maybe this is something I will have to make a check on, and see.

found all the leather items to be profitable and sell well which is great since they are low lwvwl synths. (prices based on current Diabolos economy). I shop bazaars, can often find sheepskins around 500 each because they don't stack and take up a slot.

Yes, it's always very handy to buy useful items in bazarrs, but as for sheepskins...... I don't always see players selling them in bazarrs near the tanners guild. So that's why I would more often than not, have to farm, or buy them from the AH or tanners guild instead.

Also, it's true that sheepskin doesn't stack, so for 12 of them, they would take up lots of room in my inventory, making use of short space.
I find that I have to store half of them in my mog house, then go collet them when I'm ready to craft to the next half.

I buy them whenever I see them. When I hunt sheep, I take along a stack of dark ctystals, tea leaves, and water and synth them to stackable sheep leather as soon as i get them.

Sounds like a good idea to me. I might try taking items along myself, and trying the method you just described. I'd make sure I have room in my inv first though.

At 30 you could hunt jugner for ep sheep and get a stack of sheep leather in a short time.

So you reckon that sheep leather will drop from sheep in Jugner Forest then? Okay, I'll take you up on that thought, and see what result I get.

[Snowball]

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http://monsters.ffxi-atlas.com/index.php
Looks like sheep in the dunes might be better than Jugner, depends if you like sand or hanging vines! Less crowded in jugner.

I could try both, though I've just thought that the dunes are more spread out, and mobs are more scattered than in Jugner, where I maybe more likely to get links, and all the gobs and orcs ganging up on me at once.
I don't know though. I'll see anyway.

Thanks for the link. I'll check that out.

[Snowball]

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The recipe you listed is to desynth a leather bandana into sheep leather.
The synth is sheep leather and earth crystal=leather bandana.

Ahh yes.... good old desynth again with lightning crystals.
I guess that's the only thing that lightning crystals are good for.
I nearly forgot about that one.

But again, just to stress that the ingerdients for a "Leather Bandana" are :
sheep leather (cool. you got that bit right), and,
wind crystal. (not earth crystal)

So anyway, what's wrong with desynthing a leather bandana into sheep leather?
I can still gather the ingredients for it, can't I?

[Takira]

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You could also take the crystals, tea leaves and distilled water with you as you farm and synth them in the field. Sheepskins don't stack but sheep leather does.

That is what I did, would also save you time running back to town to synth and go back out.

Just a thought.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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I'm NOT interested in crafting items which sell for much less than the materials used to craft them! That's just SO RIDICULOUS!

I wanted to address this point first, since it impacts your crafting career the most. If you are not willing to spend gil in order to gain skill ups, long term crafting is not for you. You may find moderate success at gaining skill ups while still profiting at low levels. But sooner or later (and it's probably going to be sooner), you're going to hit a wall in your pursuit of crafting skill. You will get to choose between a) spending a small amount of gil per skill up, and b) spending a large amount of gil per skill up. With Leathercraft, you can start making a profit again around level 13, when you can start making Dhalmel Leather fairly consistently. But between levels 4 and 13, you're basically having to pick your poison.

And notice that I said "spend gil", not "lose gil". If you gain skill ups, you never lose the gil. Instead, you are simply investing it in yourself. With Leathercraft, think of it as investing some gil now so that you can access the more profitable skin => leather recipes which come later (like Dhalmel and Ram Leather).

I went over to Bastok hoping to buy the iron chain from the metalworks, but rather annoyingly, the NPCs who normally sell them there had NONE in stock!
So I realised that I couldn't craft that item in the end, because of that.
And the price of them at the AH was rediculously expensive that I have now been detterred from it completly!

There are three basic types of NPC merchants in this game:
- Standard merchants: the selection of items that they sell depend on conquest standings (if they are located in one of the starting cities). Their prices will change according to your fame in that city.
- Regional vendors: they have items to sell if the nation they are located in has control of the region they are associated with. Their prices will change according to your fame in that nation.
- Guild merchants: The items that they have for sale have limited quantity, so the guild can run out of an item. Certain items are replenished every game day. Other items only get replenished as players sell items to the guild. ffrecipe is a very good resource for telling which items fall into which group. For example, with the Smithing Guild merchant in Bastok, you can see that Iron Ore and Iron Ingot are self-replenishing but that Iron Chains are not (look at the icons in the last column, labelled "Condition").

Different FFXl sites seem to show different things, and I don't know if this is up to date or not, but I went on over to the alla site, and saw this recipe for leathercraft at LvL 5.

Sheep Leather
Crystal Used - Lightning
Item Used - Leather Bandana

The reason you wouldn't see this at somepage is because they list all the desynth recipes at the end of the list. The cap for the recipe may or not be shown. It's generally assumed that the cap to desynth the item is the same as the cap to synth it.

Using desynth to skill up is a very slow and painful process. You can probably buy Leather Bandanas for cheap from a standard NPC in South San d'Oria, and turn a profit desynthing them. However, skill ups from desynthing naturally comes much more slowly than from regular synths. On average, you might see 1 skill up every 12 to 24 desynth attempts, whereas you could easily get 6 to 8 skill ups per every 12 regular synth attempts.

I don't know if that's a multiple craft, like you tried to explain since I haven't yet worked out how you check that out. But that recipe didn't seem to be shown in the recipe list for leathercraft on other sites, it seems like the only one.

On Allakhazam, if you are looking at a recipe list in tabular form, support crafts are listed in the column marked "Other skill". If you are looking at the item in particular, you'll simply see the 2nd (and possibly 3rd) skill listed below the primary craft. Somepage basically does the same thing.

I started out using Allakhazam to look at recipe lists. But it annoyed me that desynth options were listed mixed in with regular recipes. And then I found somepage, and I have used it since. Somepage also makes it easier to see recipes where the craft you are pursuing is just a support craft. Another plus, since those recipes are sometimes viable skill up alternatives.

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you are correct, i'm trying to do this from work and my memory isn't quite as good as it used to be--bandana is wind, the next syth- rabbit mantle is earth..
For the cost difference between cities..I have many examples but take a look at copper rings, can be bought from NPC in Bastock for less than 200: it's a low level craft so a lot of them get made and to clear inventory people AH them at 200 or less. Now in Sandy, you can't buy from NPC and not as many people craft them there so you can get 1000 there. Cotton gloves, 2K in windy where the guild is, 5K in Bastock, no guild and less supply. Even raw materials have a different market. This summer in Sandy zinc ore was 500-800, doesn't stack and readily available from low level tunnel worms= lots of supply. I bought the zinc in sandy, sent to mule in Bastock where zinc was selling for 2500. Windy tea leaves, buy in Windy from NPC for 240 a stack, sell in Juneo for 1000 a stack.. Knowing the market and having mules in each city is a great way to continuously make gil.
One last thing, sheep drop sheepskins that don't stack so you can synth them one at a time to get a stack of sheep leather. I didn't want you to misinterpret and think the sheeps in jugner drop sheep level. I remember you have a thief job, you can also steal sheep wool from sheep...nice farming opportunities there.

[Icemage]

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Snowball, has it ever occurred to you that if you spent half the time levelling that you do posting questions, many of these difficulties with farming and such would go away?

You've been level 30 WHM now (to my recollection) for over a year. In fact, I recall you were level 31 at some point. WHM isn't the most efficient farming job in the world, but if you spent just a little more time levelling and just a little less time worrying about how to do everything just right, I think you'd find many of your issues will become non-issues - in this case you could one-shot Sheep in any zone of your choice.

Is it just that you don't like to level? Or something else? Because until you gain some more levels, you're going to continue to have problems in the game, from missions to quests to acquiring materials for crafting. I just don't understand how you could have been playing for all this time and only have as many levels as would take me a few weeks of very limited spare time.


Icemage

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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You've been level 30 WHM now (to my recollection) for over a year. In fact, I recall you were level 31 at some point. WHM isn't the most efficient farming job in the world, but if you spent just a little more time levelling and just a little less time worrying about how to do everything just right, I think you'd find many of your issues will become non-issues - in this case you could one-shot Sheep in any zone of your choice.

To each their own, I guess. I remember one player in my first LS who didn't have a single job over 30 for the longest time (1 year +). But it was due to the fact that he liked to dabble with different jobs. In that time, I think he got maybe all but 3 jobs (pre-ToAU ones) to level 30.

Personally, I think farming your own crafting ingredients is vastly overrated. I say, do what you enjoy to raise your gil, and then spend that gil on the most efficient skill up path. If you happen to enjoy the activity of farming, well then, by all means, go farm your own crafting ingredients.

If you enjoy posting... well, keep on posting. Though it really won't help you raise gil or gain crafting skills

[Icemage]

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I certainly understand about taking the game at your own pace, but what on earth could you be doing in the space of a year such that you (a) don't gain any levels (b) don't gain any crafting skills and (c) make no progress on missions?

I had a friend who was level 26 for over a year but he was working on his fishing skill, and he just liked to fish, craft, and chat with friends. I can't quite find myself able to believe that the OP is spending all her time chatting with friends since questions (like the one in this thread) could easily be answered by talking to friends in-game.

I'm not criticizing people who don't choose to do any of these things. It's their money and their account to do with as they please. I'm just honestly curious about why the OP posts so many detailed questions which mostly could be answered in a short amount of time spent in-game or looking online.


Icemage

[Snowball]

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I think at the moment, I maybe worried about crafting, and trying to find the right materials which don't cost a lot to buy! I have tried to understand, but my conclusion is that I will just have to craft at the guild where I can get the image support, enabling me to craft at more than 5 skill levels than normal!
It's the only way for me!

As far as my levels.... well I'm fairly certain that it hasn't been a year since I have been at level 30. It is true that I was level 31 at some point, but then I probably went back down to 30 after my char died a few times, probably from aggro by some mob or other!

When I first bought the game, I was every bit as eager to start playing as every other player would be when you buy something new. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but to me, FFXl (amongst other things) is like a new toy. When you first get it, you can't wait to start playing it that you feel very excited about it, and it lasts for some time until I start getting a bit bored of it. So I guess I just kept playing, and playing until I reached level 30, (which probably took me a few weeks since I was really into it for so long. I have even been in a few pts in the past too, which is what probably helped me to reach that level within a few weeks) then I wanted to start on a couple of other jobs too, and heard that thf was a good job for farming items, so I stopped playing my WHM, ans started on, thf, then admittedly, I felt a bit jelous of players who had smn, and drg because of the pets they could use, so I found adventure in doing the quest for smn too.

But after all that.... I think the novelty has already started to wear off, and I don't play FFXl as much as I used to, which is probably why I'm still at level 30 with my WHM. I'm always visiting the same old areas in the game which I have seen about 50 times over by now. (and I don't just mean the inner cities either)

I know that FFXl is a very big game with over several servers, each with over 100-200 players in them too, or maybe even more, who knows!
But I'm sure that there are areas of the game I will get to visit which I haven't seen yet, if I just put more time into levelling, and worrying less about other things.

GOSH! Can you believe that I have even bought the expansion - ToAu, and after installing it, I find that I can't even go there, because there are creatures above my level which would probably kill my char in a matter of minutes.
Which is probably one of the reasons to keep levelling my char.

But like I said, I'm not as into the game as I was when I first bought it, and while I don't play, I do have another life to lead too! I'm sure that everyone else does too. There are jobs to go to, friends to see and go out with e.t.c.
But I also play a couple of other pc games aswell as FFX, but I don't spend every single minute of the day on them either!

As for missions..... it was difficult for me to get to mission 3, because I find it rather difficult to get other players to group with for those which need it. I've reached the S.O.B quest for Windy where you need certain players to help out by standing on some sort of weight or something in Altepa to be able to open a door, and it's these kind of quests and missions which are not easy for me to do.
But someone posted me a link to another site not so long ago, so I can look up players on Fenrir, and ask around for help.

So all in all, as you can gather, I stil play FFXl, but not as much as I once used to.