B"word" on fishing ecomny..

[Icemage]

I can confirm the presence of farmbots in Delkfut's Tower on Midgardsormr. At most times of day or night you can find the same DRG and WHM running around the tower farming pots, elementals, dolls, Mimas, etc. Some of my LS mates farm there and report seeing these two farming in the tower continuously for over 20 hours at a stretch. I think the only time they AREN'T there is when the person who owns them actually takes them back to town and sells the loot.

They work EXACTLY like PetriW described above. They pick targets, attack them, move on, and repeat in a continuous cycle.


Icemage

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by PetriW
Let me enlighten you, you really underestimate the power of what's currently possible with bots.

If you really wanted to you could make a multi nm camping bot, aka a bot that first camps on nm, when it gets it (or miss it) and know it's 12+ hours until it spawns again it could go to another spot configured and camps that mob instead.
Good nm bots sit patiently waiting for the monster, once it reads in memory that the mob is becoming available it targets and provokes (but only the correct mob, mistargets ain't voked), much faster than possible as a human, it can simply react the instant it spawns.
Good nm bots can have tell/gm detection, they don't accidentally provoke monsters brought in front of them by GM and, they could even farm normal mobs while waiting if it knows there's a certain time until the mob spawns.

Quite frankly, you are underestimating what's possible to do today with bots. NM bots are out there and with a little coding skill they're very easy to make very complex.

There are also farm bots, imagine you want to farm dolls, pots and giants in delkfutts the whole night. Well, you set up a bot that runs between certain checkpoints, if it sees in memory that there's a free mob in the vicinity it runs towards that, targets and kills, then continue on the proconfigured checkpoint route, a route that can be highly randomized to avoid easy detection. This is far more advanced than nm botting, still it's very easy to do, farm bots have been around for over 9 months in english, they've had a lot of time to evolve.

Touche- honestly wasn't aware and now am disgussted at some people, however i have yet to lose to one of these 'bots' so not too upset just yet.

[LawDawg]

Originally posted by Icemage
I can confirm the presence of farmbots in Delkfut's Tower on Midgardsormr. At most times of day or night you can find the same DRG and WHM running around the tower farming pots, elementals, dolls, Mimas, etc. Some of my LS mates farm there and report seeing these two farming in the tower continuously for over 20 hours at a stretch. I think the only time they AREN'T there is when the person who owns them actually takes them back to town and sells the loot.

They work EXACTLY like PetriW described above. They pick targets, attack them, move on, and repeat in a continuous cycle.


Icemage

actually they arent bots... read the thread titled "DRG/WHM pair camping Upper Delfukts..." there is a huge discussion about them.

[Mal]

Does this make me jealous? No. I don't play the game worrying what other people have. I simply find it sad that people are willing to ruin an otherwise enjoyable game by cheating (and even more sad that there are people deluded enough to think that this form of cheating isn't bad, just because it isn't AS bad as NM botting).

Considering fishing is about as enjoyable as watching paint dry, I'm not surprised some are led to botting. Seven fishing bots is a bit much, though. Really, do we have nothing better to spend our money on these days??

Furthermore, people aren't "deluded enough" to think this form of botting isn't bad - they just have opinions that differ from yours. Cheating is lame, plain and simple, but I'm still in doubt that fish botting is THAT detrimental to the rest of the game. I would say players ruin the game only for themselves by botting, except you really aren't missing much by standing there in front of a body of water and hitting the fish macro every 14 seconds or so.

I don't think this form of botting isn't bad because it's not AS bad as NM botting (which I AM opposed to.) I just feel it's justified due to the monotony that is fishing. SE should have made many aspects in this game a lot more entertaining. Hell, lots of companies should. You ever wonder why there's botting in a bunch of MMORPGs? Because there's a lot of boring stuff in MMORPGs. Make a game that's much more fun to play, and less of a chore, and you'll have less people desiring to automate that chore.

[Icemage]

I actually enjoy fishing quite a bit. I find it very relaxing. I get to chat with my LS mates (something I can't do normally when XPing, since as a WHM I have to monitor battle logs constantly). I rather think its like playing a slot machine in FFXI. Pick your slot machine (zone/rod/bait), pull the lever, and see if you "win". I'm sure some people find that boring, but fishing is almost like Zen meditation to me. I certainly enjoy it more than XPing sometimes. At least with fishing, I don't have to deal with the occasional stupid idiot who manages to get to high level and still doesn't know what they are doing.

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As for the DRG + WHM phenomenon, it's possible that I am wrong about these players being bots, but I know I've done Mission 9 several times and seen these players there every time except one (in fact, I thought it odd enough to do a /search for them, and in fact one of them was on the middle floor while the other was in Jeuno).

Even so, writing a program like PetriW described isn't terribly difficult, given enough available time. I write code for a living, and I solve problems much more complex than that on a day to day basis.


Icemage