B"word" on fishing ecomny..

[Johnnybigone]

OK do this.. Try to get to 50 fishing without trying to find some other way of fishing... This takes DAYS worth of hours..

Doesn't that sound like a waste of time?

Why do you think people bot now?

[neosoul]

stop providing arguments on why bots arent hurting the economy, cheating is cheating, idiots

[Johnnybigone]

Originally posted by neosoul
stop providing arguments on why bots arent hurting the economy, cheating is cheating, idiots

Yeah cause i mean those fishers NOT botting don't catch any fish do they now? I mean its all the botters fault they catch all the fish

[ibroyles]

Originally posted by Johnnybigone
Yeah cause i mean those fishers NOT botting don't catch any fish do they now? I mean its all the botters fault they catch all the fish

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I don't think anybody was arguing that fish botters "steal all this fish." The problem here is that people can actively accumulate money when they aren't even putting any input into the game. Also, if you are arguing that fishbotters use bots just to get their levels up you are wrong. Raising levels in fishing takes more than just standing at one spot and fishing all day. You have to match the kind of bait you're using to the fish you have to skill up on, and you will probably have to change locations quite a bit to get your level up to 50.

[JP_Ikari]

Weird, I mean if you bot for fish, is that the same as botting someone that's say farming Mee Deggi the Punisher in Castle Otrozja or Huu Puu the Torrent (i think i got the name right for the Monster Signa)in Giddeus?? Cause damn even with the bots, those drops are still highly contested.

Is bot cheating? In some ways I think it is, but in some ways it isn't. I think if you bot something like say you can exploit an area, and chain til 10 and get to 75 in a matter of weeks, that's cheating. If you can grab a mob and have a modifier that's making you 2x faster than normal then that's cheating. If for everytime you fish, you catch 5 legendary fishes instead of 1, from an area where it's not even remotely possible to catch a legendary fish, then yes that constitutes as cheating.

But if 1 guy just bots his ass to throw line, fish, pull back, rinse and repeat, then that's pretty much hard to say if he is cheating. He's doing it normally as you would normally, he doesn't have a modifier except the part where he goes to sleep and his character is still fishing and you don't. I dunno, my opinion behind it is, as long as it's still on fair ground of play, it's not cheating. If he has an enhancement, it doesn't matter if his catch is 10% or less. As long as it's better than normal, anything better than what you can normally get (even with the in-game enhancement) then that's cheating. Again, another subject I hate getting into. I just play the game as how I see it fit. I never expect people to do the same . Just saves you the headache and long threads such as this.

Ikari

[Ascendancy]

my fishing bot

its a picture not something to dl, its a joke mods dont delete it

[Nodachi]

Lol the majority of you crack me up with the whole bot bit. Not so much the fishing one's but those who mention NM bots ohhh noooeeezzee. First off there is no such thing AS A FLIPPING NM BOT! i've been accused of "botting" HMT and other stuff so many times. Here's the deal. There -are- third party programs that "can allow you to hit enter up to once ever blah blahmili second" however due to the way this game works if you constantly spam both enter buttons you stand just as much o fa chance of aggroing that NM as you do with the 3rd party programs. These progs aren't doing anything for you except spamming the enter button over while your job ability menu is open and the cursor is on the 挑発　"provoke" ability.

Also fishing bots don't effect catch rates. They meerely do all the work for the user while they are gone (which is lame as hell yes i know -.-)
Sorry, after hearing so many people talk about stuff they havn't a clue about i had to vent all that.

[neosoul]

nodachi, anything that isnt in the real game shouldnt be used, so your argument is pointless

[Alontier]

Nodachi

1. There are NM bots, won't go futher into this.

2. Also fishing bots does effect catch rates in the way that they diminish catchable fish
from the fishing 'pool' of that lake/river/sea.

[Johnnybigone]

omg wtf? You compare fishing bot to NM bot? wtf?

NM bot actualy "STEALS" something from another player.. Someone working hard and wasting hours trying to find a monster getting robbed by a bot?

Botters aren't making a huge difference on AH either.. The more people there are, the more in-demand items theres gonna be. Some idiot is always gonna lower price by 1-10k and that adds up over time.

Maybe im defending bots, maybe im not, but how bad can fishing bots REALLY be.

[ibroyles]

Originally posted by Johnnybigone
omg wtf? You compare fishing bot to NM bot? wtf?

NM bot actualy "STEALS" something from another player.. Someone working hard and wasting hours trying to find a monster getting robbed by a bot?

Botters aren't making a huge difference on AH either.. The more people there are, the more in-demand items theres gonna be. Some idiot is always gonna lower price by 1-10k and that adds up over time.

Maybe im defending bots, maybe im not, but how bad can fishing bots REALLY be.

To answer your question, I don't think fishing bots are really THAT bad. Probably what happens to people botting all night in town is that they end up with like 10 stacks of bastore sardines and quus, and like 3-4 stacks of moat carp. This is jack shit compared to if you actively are trying to make money fishing. However, there's some things to consider. First, do you think its okay that somebody can make possibly 40-50k in a night while not doing anything in game? I know that I have to work for my money, and its not very fun. To have somebody just sleep while making the same money I make is kind of frustrating. Second, anybody who bots in game is showing their total lack of patience in game, as well as showing that they have no honor. This is a game first and foremost, and using a bot in my eyes is akin to using a Gameshark. While a gameshark may add some fun codes and stuff to your random FPS or platformer, it takes away from the fun of a traditional RPG because the main point of RPGs is to gain a feeling of accomplishment after putting in a lot of work. To be honest, I would feel shitty if I bought any of my armor with money that had just been accumulated by botting, but to each his own I guess. Just keep in mind, if you are ever caught you cannot use any excuses like "but GM, it doesn't REALLY harm anything LOL!"

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Alontier
Nodachi

1. There are NM bots, won't go futher into this.

Go into it further in private message cause i really beg to differ.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by neosoul
nodachi, anything that isnt in the real game shouldnt be used, so your argument is pointless

I wasn't presenting an argument, was meerly pointing out how many of the players remain so ignorant.

And to clear up my saying "bots don't effect catch rate", sorry about this bit, i ment it doesn't effect it for the user of the bot. Meaning by using a bot you won't catch anymore fish than if you manually do it. Infact due to the time cutoff bots have on casts, you'll probably end up catching less or getting less bites over a duration of time versus someone manually doing it each time.

[Icemage]

I'll clear up several points here:

From a game mechanic standpoint, a fishing bot does not get a higher catch rate than someone fishing the legal way.

However, consider:

It has taken me well over 300 hours to reach level 59 fishing doing it the "right" way. A bot will take longer (given that they can't fish in optimal skill gain zones the way I can), maybe twice as much, or 600 hours.

However, I can only play a few hours a night. That 300 hours represents several months of game time to me where I do nothing but fish. A bot can theoretically play 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, so his investment of 0 time of active play + 3-4 weeks of waiting gets him the same catch rate as I do (and yes, to the uninformed, you fishing skill has a direct impact on how often fish bite, and how often you'll succeed in catching fish).

For those of you who think bots are catching sardines or quus, you are dead wrong. Most fishing bots have 56, 86, or 96 fishing skill, and go after either Gold Carp (625 gil each, level 56), Bastore Bream (1350 gil each, level 86), or Black Sole (1575 gil each, level 96). This is not chump change.

There's a well-known botter on Midgardsormr who I estimate has no less than *7* fishing bots operating in and around Windurst. I estimate this person makes at LEAST 1 million gil per day from this, for no effort whatsoever.

Does this make me jealous? No. I don't play the game worrying what other people have. I simply find it sad that people are willing to ruin an otherwise enjoyable game by cheating (and even more sad that there are people deluded enough to think that this form of cheating isn't bad, just because it isn't AS bad as NM botting).


Icemage

[PetriW]

Originally posted by Nodachi
... There -are- third party programs that "can allow you to hit enter up to once ever blah blahmili second" however due to the way this game works if you constantly spam both enter buttons you stand just as much o fa chance of aggroing that NM as you do with the 3rd party programs. These progs aren't doing anything for you except spamming the enter button over while your job ability menu is open and the cursor is on the 挑発　"provoke" ability. ...

Let me enlighten you, you really underestimate the power of what's currently possible with bots.

If you really wanted to you could make a multi nm camping bot, aka a bot that first camps on nm, when it gets it (or miss it) and know it's 12+ hours until it spawns again it could go to another spot configured and camps that mob instead.
Good nm bots sit patiently waiting for the monster, once it reads in memory that the mob is becoming available it targets and provokes (but only the correct mob, mistargets ain't voked), much faster than possible as a human, it can simply react the instant it spawns.
Good nm bots can have tell/gm detection, they don't accidentally provoke monsters brought in front of them by GM and, they could even farm normal mobs while waiting if it knows there's a certain time until the mob spawns.

Quite frankly, you are underestimating what's possible to do today with bots. NM bots are out there and with a little coding skill they're very easy to make very complex.

There are also farm bots, imagine you want to farm dolls, pots and giants in delkfutts the whole night. Well, you set up a bot that runs between certain checkpoints, if it sees in memory that there's a free mob in the vicinity it runs towards that, targets and kills, then continue on the proconfigured checkpoint route, a route that can be highly randomized to avoid easy detection. This is far more advanced than nm botting, still it's very easy to do, farm bots have been around for over 9 months in english, they've had a lot of time to evolve.